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Symbi
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Thanks Patty H!   Hormones are very important.  The SWAMI diet has helped not that I've followed it perfectly.  When I do follow it well my periods are lighter and more on time.  It's improved oestrogen clearance I'm sure - it helps detox (including foods that improve oestrogen clearance such as broccoli, turmeric, rosemary, garlic, dark green leafy vegetables) and cuts out oestrogenic foods like soy while keeping the bowels regular helps too.  Now I have adenomyosis it's a big priority.

I made an appointment with an integrative physican (also GP) next week  http://www.naturaltherapypages.com.au/therapist/drrobynjames/8198 who prescribes bio-identical hormones .  After medicare refund I won't be out of pocket much at all. Hopes are high.  So glad to find her and she is located close by.  Wasn't going to ask a normal GP as they probably would look at me like I speak gobbligook - ( do on occasion  ).  Looking at cutting expenses in other ways cos I think the cream will cost a bit and I don't have insurance, medicare won't cover it.  True what you say health is they key to everything.

To find a doctor - this page was helpful linking to many professional associations internationally: http://www.natural-progesterone-advisory-network.com/how-to-find-a-doctor/

O in Virginia - dunno which tests are better but do know it's important WHEN you have them in relation to your cycle.  If you are lacking in progesterone and have early cycles like me best time to test is during the luteal cycle (between ovulation and your period).  Other problems need different testing times, hope your doctor will point in the right direction there.

BTW it annoys me that all the gynae tests I've had done (hormone blood test, pelvic ultrasound, breast ultrasound) they don't note on the report which part of the cycle you are in, though the ultrasound tech asked me, probably because they found fluid in the pouch of douglas and a disolving follicle - hopefully normal since I'd recently ovulated.  "Dr Google is your friend!"  

For the blood test there's a list of different ranges for the parts of the cycle: Follicular phase, midcycle peak, luteal phase, and a different range for post-menopausal.  Because the phase wasn't marked, GP glanced at it and saw oestradiol 620, progesterone 32 (nmol/L). The range for Oestradiol goes 400 - 1400 during midpeak, down to 200 - 600 during luteal and progesterone 20 - 110).  GP said "you don't have too much oestrogen - oestrogen is a good thing"!  huh!   That test was done 2009 so I'll probably need a new one, we'll see.  Be interested to see if this GP believes in saliva testing too.


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"Dr Google is your friend!"  


I hear that!  Seems like my only reliable source of info at times...which is scary.

Good luck with your appointiment, Symbi.
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Good news, interested to hear how you go also Symbi...
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There are several labs that do the saliva tests.  For some reason most of my doctors use DiagnosTechs.  I have heard of ZRT and also the Canary Club has discounts if you want to order the test yourself.  No idea who is better though.
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Question:  Is it true, as I've read in John Lee's books, that a blood test for progesterone is not really a good indicator of actual available progesterone levels, and that a saliva test is the better way to go?  Just wondering whether an improved blood test has evolved since his books were written.  I called my MD's office to see whether they did a saliva test, and was told they do not.


As I stated in one of my earlier posts, my specialist only uses blood tests and they seem to be accurate, as she has based the prescription of BHRT upon the results of my blood tests and all of my terrible symptoms have resolved.

I read that in Dr Lee's book as well, but frankly, I was glad to find someone who specialized in the bio-identicals who has been doing it for over 20 years, so I figure she knows what she is doing.  I decided not to rock the boat on that one!  


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Yes I read this also and Elizabeth Vliets books.  I have managed to obtain estrogen otc from Lifeflo, I really need it.   My symptoms are manageable but I have interrupted sleep after 5-6 hours.
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While John Lee's book is good, it only focused on half the story.  I am estrogen deficient and so the progesterone creams did nothing to relieve my terrible symptoms.  Dr. Uzzi Reiss wrote The Natural Superwoman and that was better for me as it focuses on all the hormones and what symptoms you will have being deficient in each of the hormones.

I see an OB/Gyn who specializes in bio-identical hormones.  My symptoms have totally gone away    I don't know of the availability of bio-identical hormones in Australia, but it would be worth trying to find someone.  If you can find a compounding pharmacy in your area, they could probably tell you the names of the OB/Gyn's who write prescriptions.


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As I stated in one of my earlier posts, my specialist only uses blood tests and they seem to be accurate, as she has based the prescription of BHRT upon the results of my blood tests and all of my terrible symptoms have resolved.

I read that in Dr Lee's book as well, but frankly, I was glad to find someone who specialized in the bio-identicals who has been doing it for over 20 years, so I figure she knows what she is doing.  I decided not to rock the boat on that one!  


That's good to know, Patty.  I rescheduled my annual appt. for two weeks from now.  It was originally for Monday of this week, but I felt TOM coming so I rescheduled.  I'm looking forward to discussing bioidenticals with him.  Hopefully, he is up on that subject.  

I borrowed The Natural Superwoman from the libary based on your rec, and I have only browsed through it thus far, but there is no way I am estrogen deficient.  I'm pretty sure my case is one of progesterone deficiency or imbalance.  We shall see.  Soon, I hope it will get clearer and clearer (and better and better!!).  
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That's good to know, Patty.  I rescheduled my annual appt. for two weeks from now.  It was originally for Monday of this week, but I felt TOM coming so I rescheduled.  I'm looking forward to discussing bioidenticals with him.  Hopefully, he is up on that subject.  

I borrowed The Natural Superwoman from the libary based on your rec, and I have only browsed through it thus far, but there is no way I am estrogen deficient.  I'm pretty sure my case is one of progesterone deficiency or imbalance.  We shall see.  Soon, I hope it will get clearer and clearer (and better and better!!).  


Good for you!  It is best to go in to your appointment with as much knowledge as possible.  If your doctor does prescribe or is not familiar with bio-identical hormones, I would ask for a referral to someone who is.  It might even help if you do the research on your own and ask for a referral.  It is a fairly specialized field.  Many doctors are only familiar with the syntheic hormones.  I cannot recommend them, myself.


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No, I don't want to (won't) go the synthetic route.  We'll see how it goes in a couple of weeks.  
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The N.D.'s in my city consider blood testing to be inaccurate when looking at progesterone.  Most use the saliva tests, with blood tests for the other hormones.  One N.D. I know, uses urine tests for progesterone;  blood tests for all other hormones.



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That is interesting Victoria.

Do you still like maca for hormone balancing?...
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Update: My new doctor was good but maybe I had tmi and problems for her to keep up with. Me = Typical Explorer! She would like to do blood tests and saliva tests, saying that blood tests can show if you're in a diseased state, but saliva tests are more accurate to show a state of health and help balance.  I can't afford the saliva tests (not covered by medicare at all) so just bloods for now.

Testing all kinds of hormones, homocysteine (cos my Dad had an early heart attack) and thyroid thoroughly including antibodies.  Just recently I started to suspect hypothyroid because I've been borderline hypothyroid before and have high ANA, TSH recently 2.6 (she said the reference range here is 5 but that's for a disease state - under 2 is for optimal health).  I have so many hypothyroid symptoms including constipation (if I let it), wanting to sleep all day and feeling very cold, tender around throat.  

She said my adenomyosis is endometriosis in another place and I probably have more of those that couldn't be seen in the ultrasound too.  Once we have my results she said some herbs I can take to shrink them (vitex is 1 I enquired) and progesterone will help my symptoms but may not solve all my problems.  Best of all I won't need to have a hysterectomy.  Not your typical doctor I'm glad to say.  Never spent an hour with a doctor before either!


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One route is to locate a compounding pharmacy in your area, have them test you (sometimes they do this with just a questionnaire for symptoms themselves, sometimes they send it off to others), they evaluate that and recommend your doctor (a GP will do) write the prescriptions for you.  Most doctors will go along with what the pharmacy recommends because they don't have knowledge of bioidenticals themselves.  This can be a fairly economical route.  Your doctor may want to do labwork first.  Insurance will usually pay for the labwork and your regular GP appt.  Most won't pay for compounds.
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That is interesting Victoria.

Do you still like maca for hormone balancing?...


Yes, I take about 1/2 tsp./day of maca powder.  I like the steamed or roasted version rather than the raw.  Plus the Fem Balance as an addition to Progesterone cream and Estriol cream.



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Thanks maukik - always interested in economical options.  Never thought of that one!


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While John Lee's book is good, it only focused on half the story.  I am estrogen deficient and so the progesterone creams did nothing to relieve my terrible symptoms.  Dr. Uzzi Reiss wrote The Natural Superwoman and that was better for me as it focuses on all the hormones and what symptoms you will have being deficient in each of the hormones.


I just reserved that book from the  public library.

I tried to look for "Dr John Lee's books" but there are too many entries under "author: Lee, John" and I couldn't figure out which was the one I was looking for. Oh, never mind. After clicking on a few dozen John Lee's, I found the right one.

Do his books ONLY talk about supplementing with hormones, to the exclusion of all other treatments?


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Ruthiegirl, re: John Lee's book, this is probably what would suit you the best: "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About(TM): Premenopause: Balance Your Hormones and Your Life from Thirty to Fifty"
While he wrote a lot about supplementing with bio-identical hormones, he also wrote extensively about other treatments including herbal supplements.




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Yes, I take about 1/2 tsp./day of maca powder.  I like the steamed or roasted version rather than the raw.  Plus the Fem Balance as an addition to Progesterone cream and Estriol cream.


Hi Victoria, I also take some maca powder every day, 1 tsp/day. Can you tell us why you prefer the steamed or roasted version vs. the raw? I think my is the raw version.




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At one point I did a lot of reading on Maca and was convinced by what I read that the steamed or roasted was better assimilated.  I haven't done much researching on it in a year or two, so I suppose more info could be out there, but I'm not a person who assumes *raw* is better.  I believe I read that the way it was eaten for centuries was actually prepared as food -- cooked, baked, roasted, fried, etc.  Raw is more common in stores, however.



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Ruthiegirl, re: John Lee's book, this is probably what would suit you the best: "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About(TM): Premenopause: Balance Your Hormones and Your Life from Thirty to Fifty"
While he wrote a lot about supplementing with bio-identical hormones, he also wrote extensively about other treatments including herbal supplements.


My library doesn't seem to have that one (unless it's listed under a different John Lee than his other books.) The options here are "Dr Lee's Hormone Balance made simple", "the estrogen alternative" "What your doctor may not tell you about breast cancer" and "What your doctor may not tell you about menopause" (both the 1996 and 2004 versions.)

OK, doing a library search for the word "premenopause" found it.  That one was listed under "Lee, John R" while the others were listed under "Lee, John R., MD"   There are literally 12 different authors named John Lee and another 6 Jon or Jonothan.


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If your library doesn't carry the one on premenopause, the one on menopause would be helpful too. I have read the "Hormone Made Simple" one but it is a very stripped-down version, basically tips on hands-on application of bio-identical hormones, so it wouldn't be a good first read on his ideas.




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At one point I did a lot of reading on Maca and was convinced by what I read that the steamed or roasted was better assimilated.  I haven't done much researching on it in a year or two, so I suppose more info could be out there, but I'm not a person who assumes *raw* is better.  I believe I read that the way it was eaten for centuries was actually prepared as food -- cooked, baked, roasted, fried, etc.  Raw is more common in stores, however.


Oh, I see. I guess I should do some research on this, too. I don't know how much it has been helping me, as I am taking FemBalance and Aromastat at the same time, as well as bio-identical progesterone cream.




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If your library doesn't carry the one on premenopause, the one on menopause would be helpful too. I have read the "Hormone Made Simple" one but it is a very stripped-down version, basically tips on hands-on application of bio-identical hormones, so it wouldn't be a good first read on his ideas.


They do carry the one on pre-menopause, but I didn't find it at first. It wasn't listed in the books by "Lee, John R., MD" because it was listed under "Lee, John R." I just reserved the premenopause  book and cancelled my reservation for "Hormones Made Simple." I'm also reserving The Natural Superwoman.

I'm not sure when I'll get to either of them  because a novel I've been waiting for is finally "in transit" so I may ignore all other books while reading "The Land of Painted Caves." Earlier this summer I read the first 5 books in that series, and have been waiting for the 6th and final one to be available.


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Great, thanks for the link Victoria. I checked the website of my maca powder and it turns out to be a cooked version that I have been consuming... it says "After harvest, the maca roots are gelatinized and milled: a process that concentrates the active ingredients through a heated extrusion to remove the starch."
Yipppee!




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