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My insurance pays for my bio-identical hormones.  I do have to pay the co-pay and on this prescription I get charged the highest co-pay amount, which is $50.  

Do you have health insurance with prescription coverage???


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Quoted from Patty H
My insurance pays for my bio-identical hormones.  I do have to pay the co-pay and on this prescription I get charged the highest co-pay amount, which is $50.  

Do you have health insurance with prescription coverage???


I have prescription coverage and have a co-pay but our specific insurance will not cover any compounded drug.  The insurance company said that my husbands company has to select a policy that specifically covers compounded drugs.  The company (Booz Allen) is world wide, but unless enough people ask that compounded drugs be covered, it won't happen. I can submit the cost to our medical spending account which is pre-tax.
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Too bad, vacowgirl.  That's crazy!  


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today I use 5 HTP to stimulate my liver to 'balance' some hormones.. it might be a cheap over the counter thing, needed as much as you think is needed.. short or long term..  
Does this work?

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I use otc Lifeflo progesterone,have used for over a year.  I have just discontinued the pill which I was on 7 years to manage early perimenopause symptoms.  My lab tests show low progesterone so I feel fine using it, also I'm 40 so I'm pretty much in perimenopause now.  I use 20-40 mg the 2nd half of my cycle.  I'm menstruating now sorry tmi but whole period was pain free, to me that means it works.
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If all of your levels are really high, is that an indication that the liver isn't doing it's job? I need to have mine rechecked but about 2 years ago I had a saliva test and my levels were HIGH...all of them. I was working with a ND at the time and she thought it was my thyroid, but nothing we did made a difference. Of course I wasn't on the BTD then....would appreciate input. I might send off for a retest too.
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Can a regular Dr test your hormone levels? I remember having such extremely painful periods right before they finished for good (last one was around age 44) but most of the time through my life they were never that painful... Never knew it could be related to hormone levels; but makes sense...

I'm particularly interested in Goldie's response as I have some 5HTP & am keen to know if things that unbalanced hormone levels may cause (recently discovered hairs on upper lip - now dealt with *shock/horror*) could be regulated by something like this
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Thanks very much for the link.  I'm reading John Lee's books now.  I've been having issues.  Will look into this.
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Progesterone is important to consider if you choose to use bioidentical estrogen. It's a cancer preventative from what I've read.  I'm a big believer in bioidentical replacement though.  If I could go back I would have tried to use progesterone more in my early 30s when my periods first became painful.
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to find this thread.  There are many types of cream available and they all seem to promote themselves as the best and adocate high doses (probably to sell more) so what Victoria said about trying half dose first sounds good and get monitored.  I'm also concerned about progesterone being stored in fat.  Read that if you apply it directly into the vagina that may prevent fat storage, it will be absorbed the easiest and the body will think it came from your ovaries.    May try that but hope it doesn't upset the natural ph or other balance of things.

Just found one that said it has just progesterone and coconut oil and info that it is supposedly good for adenomyosis (which I just got diagnosed with through ultrasound   and am waiting to see a gynae about).  However, coconut oil is an avoid on my SWAMI.  Read some info that coconut oil can help clear oestrogen, even so think I'll skip that one!

A few years ago I had my blood test done during the luteal phase and it showed oestrogen too high and progesterone was at the bottom of the scale.  Been having early periods since 35 yo so that is a sign of less progesterone (shorter luteal phase) along with PMS, cystic breasts, and heavy periods with pain and cramping (probably the adenomyosis).  The past few years my iron stores have been low but daily molasses is helping that.
The diet has helped alot cycles have gone towards more regular and lighter, but still I'm looking to try some natural cream rather than artifical progesterones that the doctors will prescribe (and if they don't help then artificial monopause, mirena IUD and finally hysterectomy are the treatment choices.)

I'll keep looking and hope to try some cream soon.  It's going to be expensive for me.  In Australia we are supposed to have a prescription ..   Thankful for everyone recommending creams - exactly what I was hoping to find on here, will check them out.  


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Oh yea turning into a maths genius again to compare the different brands and the dosages per ounces or mls and how many days to take it, how long a bottle will last and how expensive.  Yikes!  

That emerita sounds good with so many natural ingredients!

Just found another one similar but comes in a pre-measured dose for 20mg pump dispenser - sounds convenient http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/PersonalCare/Products/M012546.htm
Withdraw that recommendation, after reading this review - it has so many ingredients I'd probably get migraines from it too:
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"I used it for about six months, and tried a few brands. I don't have money for doctors so I self-treat everything, for better or for worse. The NOW brand was AWFUL--it smelled like dirt and gave me migraines. The Progestacare and Progestelle brands worked great and seemed to alleviate a lot of my perimenopausal and estrogen-dominance symptoms. Progestelle has a good web site with lots of info, but they don't organize the info very well so it can be confusing."  http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/.....t9595887  


Progestelle is the one with coconut see below.  Progestacare sounds interesting http://progestacarestore.com/
contains     Natural Progesterone (USP)
    -Helps balance hormone levels
    -Reduces estrogen dominance
    Tocotrienols (Natural Super Vitamin E)
    -Powerful anti-oxidant
    Primrose Oil
    -Helps reduce PMS symptoms
    Aloe Vera
    -Soothing skin softener
    MSM (Methyl Sulfonyl Methane)
    -Stimulates the immune system
    Grape Seed Extract
    -Powerful anti-oxidant


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While John Lee's book is good, it only focused on half the story.  I am estrogen deficient and so the progesterone creams did nothing to relieve my terrible symptoms.  Dr. Uzzi Reiss wrote The Natural Superwoman and that was better for me as it focuses on all the hormones and what symptoms you will have being deficient in each of the hormones.

I see an OB/Gyn who specializes in bio-identical hormones.  My symptoms have totally gone away    I don't know of the availability of bio-identical hormones in Australia, but it would be worth trying to find someone.  If you can find a compounding pharmacy in your area, they could probably tell you the names of the OB/Gyn's who write prescriptions.


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I'm going to look for your book rec, Patty H.  Thanks for sharing.
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Symbi, do you have more info on the progesterone in coconut oil product?  That sounds interesting.  Is it transdermal or meant to be ingested?  If it is applied externally, it is not the same as eating an avoid.



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Quoted from Symbi

Just found one that said it has just progesterone and coconut oil and info that it is supposedly good for adenomyosis (which I just got diagnosed with through ultrasound   and am waiting to see a gynae about).  However, coconut oil is an avoid on my SWAMI.  Read some info that coconut oil can help clear oestrogen, even so think I'll skip that one!


What coconut oil can do when you ingest it is different from what it can do topically. When you put it on the vagina, it's just an oil- it can  be used as a lubricant or (as in this case) a carrier oil for a medicine. I can't imagine you'd be using very much at once.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I highly recommend Dr. John Lee's books.  The best way to measure for progesterone levels is by saliva testing.  I have been using progesterone cream for the last 10 years and certainly would have used it before that if I had known about it.  And I definitely would have used both estrogen and progesterone creams  in balance if only I had the knowledge about it when I was going through menopause.  The ZRT lab is my lab of choice.
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p.s symbi - i am checking out this website atm
http://www.natural-progesterone-advisory-network.com.au/
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Thanks everyone <3 Ruthiegirl, Victoria and all this page http://www.adeno101.com/getprog.htm recommended the coconut oil progesterone oil (not cream) (Progestelle) http://www.womhoo.com/  

Good tip Patty H I have contacted one of the manufacturers in Australia to ask for doctors names no answer yet though also looked up integrative physicians and environmental doctors may be great but beyond my price range atm.  

Honeybee cute name one nickname of mine is busybee - good site that.  For you and other Aussies  found two manufacturers of natural progesterone cream (apparently derived from soy in Australia).  Legally these are the only choices since we need a prescription.  Customs may block imports of hormones apparently  :

  • http://www.lawleypharm.com.au/
    Make ProFeme - lots of good product information on their site and easy dosing with a measured applicator but see how many artificial ingredients in the cream.


I'll be trying the cream with the least ingredients first cos I'm reactive to many things.


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Sorry for being a forum hog, international mates  .  Here's a clarification on the law in Australia from that good website the http://www.natural-progesterone-advisory-network.com

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Can I buy my cream overseas without a script?

Yes, providing it’s only a 3-month supply, and it’s for personal use only. Otherwise, you’ll require a doctor’s prescription. Australian Customs may intercept your package, check to ensure you hold a current prescription, and if you do not, instigate legal action. Many women have reported that their packaging was opened and inspected by Customs. So be warned. If you intend to source your cream from overseas, we recommend you obtain a prescription. And please be aware, the law only permits importation for personal use (this includes family members only). You are NOT permitted to distribute cream to others.

Again, the above specifications DO NOT apply to the USA and other countries where no such drug laws imposed on progesterone exist. http://www.natural-progesterone-advisory-network.com/drug-laws-in-various-countries/


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I read about Lawley (export only) also, but this is a compounding chemist in NSW offering natural progesterone creme or troche (prescription required) ..

http://www.visionarychemist.com.au/faqs/

Wonder how they are circumventing the law or am I missing something  


Have you done a saliva hormone test Symbi?

I ordered a saliva test for hormone profile --- anyone know which time of cycle is best for taking the test? I found the info a while ago but lost it and now confused lol
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I tried progesterone cream for about 8 months (with saliva testing) from my doctor.  The testing showed my body didn't absorb progesterone from the cream all that well. So I was switched to sub-lingual and then to outright pill form.

The pill form seems to work the best for me, I sleep really well at night and my periods are under control.  The monthly PMS when I would become a raging dragon is gone as well as sore breasts etc.  I have been taking a form of progesterone for about 14-15 years (since last kid) and I sincerely am grateful for it each day (the men in my house are grateful as well, no raging when they are sitting around in their underwear!!!)

I like Uzzi Reiss books, he gets into hormones deeper than Lee.  Reiss talks about all of the hormones and how they affect one during various stages of life.
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G'day Honeybee (make me hungry thinking of honey now!),

Thanks for the info.  So long as you have a script for hormones in Australia she'll be apples.
I have financial constraints that are holding me back and will probably avoid a compounding chemist for that reason.  Having to go to a special doctor for a script too .  Though, it's probably good that we don't have hormones wily nily here, we don't have them added to our meats as much as other countries, e.g. no hormones in our chicken ever.  

Not sure about saliva testing read it can be very variable depending on time of day, what you ate etc.  I already have proof through a blood test and wish my GP picked up on that 2 years ago!  Prevention is not in their vocab


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Symbi, my insurance here in the US does cover my visits to my hormone specialist and while my bio-identical hormones (BHRT) are covered, I pay the highest amount for the prescription, which is $50 per month.  My blood tests are not covered.  My OB/Gyn does not use saliva testing.  I am not sure if that would be covered.  I doubt it.

Finances are always an issue, but your hormones rule everything.  If you can figure out a way to have it covered or to find the money to get the services, I would highly recommend you work on that.  It can mean the difference between health and poor health.  All of my tests results changed when my hormones were out of whack, so I have spent so much more money on different stuff that maybe could have been avoided with getting my hormones regulated.

It has taken the BHRT, diet and consistent exercise to bring my body back into balance.  Sometimes you need to spend the money to save money, but only you know your circumstances and I am totally aware and understanding of that.  Sending you healing thoughts  


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Question:  Is it true, as I've read in John Lee's books, that a blood test for progesterone is not really a good indicator of actual available progesterone levels, and that a saliva test is the better way to go?  Just wondering whether an improved blood test has evolved since his books were written.  I called my MD's office to see whether they did a saliva test, and was told they do not.
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