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Jesi
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So I've been taking the maca and the chasteberry tincture for almost a week and I can't deal with the bloating and the cramps and the constipation. I was in so much pain last night, and I felt 10 lbs heavier.

Do any of you use progesterone cream? Do you think it would be safe for me to try tiny amounts? If I go ask my ND about this he is going to blow me off and say "focus on your health"...that's what I'm doing, I think. lol

I saw a few different brands at Sprouts yesterday and I think I will get one today. I'm not going to take Fembalance, it has chasteberry.

Anyhow, I want to try it and see if it will raise my progesterone and bring down my testosterone. My progesterone is .096 and it's supposed to be somewhere like 15-20, so it's really low. My testosterone was 40 last time (down from 52!). My estrogen is a little bit low but pretty normal. I looked through last year's calendar, and I have been off birth control for 7 months now...isn't it time my hormones level out?

Are there any dangers in using the progesterone cream in tiny amounts and seeing how I do?


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I use progesterone cream and have for the last year. I wish I would have taken it when I was younger as looking back I can see that I was Estrogen dominant. Here is a very good cream you can get without a prescription. http://www.iherb.com/Emerita-Pro-Gest-Cream-Value-Size-Paraben-Free-4-oz-112-g/4961?at=0

Good luck!


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wow, the statement at the bottom really scares me. Is it true??

How would I take it if I have neither pms nor menopause? It says 14 days on 14 days off for pms, and then three weeks on for menopause.


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I'm estrogen dominant and in perimenopause/menopause so have been using the Emerita ProGest cream.  It helps me sleep.


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My mom has been using progesterone cream for years and swears by it.  She uses prescription-strength so that she can get the dosage customized precisely for her.  If you do get some, make sure it's yam-based; the OD I go to said that soy-based can be dangerous.  Good luck!


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I use it even tho I'm 63....I think it helps me sleep...?
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Jesi, if your testosterone levels are high, I don't know if maca would be advised for you.  I think it could raise those levels;  at least it has for me.

Transdermal progesterone in a small amount will not hurt you IF you are estrogen dominate, or IF you have low levels of progesterone. I still use Progesterone cream by Laid in Montana brand.  It is a wild yam based cream with Emu oil.  Wonderful Stuff!!

Are you willing to get a saliva test to check your progesterone level?  Blood tests won't show an accurate reading.  They only work well for estrogen and testosterone levels.

It is possible to overdo the progesterone, so you don't have to use the amounts suggested on the package.  But make sure that is what you really need.

How is your estrogen level?



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I used both the progesterone and estrogen creams until I saw an article by Dr. Janet Lang and the Dr. Mercola saying that the creams stay stored in our fat and just release at will.  Supposedly, you can be doing fine with them and then all of a sudden they release what is in the fat stores and then your hormones can be way off making you not feel well.

It scared me enough to get my hormones prescribed sublingually.  Any one out there heard of this?
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Jesi
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Ok I am glad I checked with you guys first. I almost went and got th ecream last night but decided to just look at the boxes and ask first. This hunter likes to "shoot first and ask questions later", but I am learning my lesson.  

So these were my levels on February 15th (last time I had them checked, 5 months after being off birth control):

progesterone: 0.96
estradiol 6: 140.00
DHEA: 261.8
Testosterone: 41.5

I do not know what phase I was in, since the amounts change depending on what day of the cycle you get your blood drawn...in February I missed my period because he had me on too much of the thyroid supplement and I was hyperthyroid for a few months.

Looking at it though, maybe I should just go get them checked again with the saliva test. I'm just going crazy here. I break out along my jaw now and I am just sick and tired of it. I've been battling this since last year (let's not even mention the weight gain!) and I just want it to go away.

I think maybe though the progesterone cream thing might be something that I need to get checked first and not play around with. Does insurance normally cover the saliva test for someone my age?

Victoria that's funny you say that about the maca...it didn't even occur to me that it could be making it worse.








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It depends on your insurance plan.  Mine didn't cover it but I could submit it to my medical spending account (pre-tax) and get reimbursed.
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I used both the progesterone and estrogen creams until I saw an article by Dr. Janet Lang and the Dr. Mercola saying that the creams stay stored in our fat and just release at will.  Supposedly, you can be doing fine with them and then all of a sudden they release what is in the fat stores and then your hormones can be way off making you not feel well.

It scared me enough to get my hormones prescribed sublingually.  Any one out there heard of this?


Yes.  I have been using sublingual for a couple of years now.  I used creams for many years and pellets a year and a half.  

I prefer sublingual.  You don't have to worry about the cream getting on your clothes, taking a bath soon after you had just applied the cream or sweating it off in a work out.  
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Quoted from Jesi

So these were my levels on February 15th (last time I had them checked, 5 months after being off birth control):

progesterone: 0.96
estradiol 6: 140.00
DHEA: 261.8
Testosterone: 41.5

Looking at it though, maybe I should just go get them checked again with the saliva test. I'm just going crazy here. I break out along my jaw now and I am just sick and tired of it. I've been battling this since last year (let's not even mention the weight gain!) and I just want it to go away.

I think maybe though the progesterone cream thing might be something that I need to get checked first and not play around with. Does insurance normally cover the saliva test for someone my age?

Victoria that's funny you say that about the maca...it didn't even occur to me that it could be making it worse.


I don't know what the test numbers mean.  Do you have a list of normal ranges?
I think progesterone is the only one that needs to be tested via saliva.

At your age, and especially since you were on the BC pill, it seems like a good idea to track where your hormones are, before you start on Progesterone cream.  And when you've been on BC pills, it can take many months to become balanced again.

I personally love Maca and what it does for my body.  I don't know that it is making it worse for you.  Just take a look and see what direction your hormones have moved since February.

"Maca has several neat qualities, it blocks estrogen, increases progesterone levels, helps make testosterone (though the studies say it does not. I’ll explain in a bit). Maca undoes the thing that inactivates testosterone and progesterone (i.e. Sex Hormone Binding Globulin) which increases free testosterone levels (the important number to have counted as opposed to the total testosterone number)."  William Wong N.D.




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I would love to hear more about the sublingual progesterone.  I've been using the cream for years and I'm not liking what I'm reading here about it being stored in the fat cells and releasing at any random time.

How does one get rid of what's been stored in the fat cells?  

Where do I get a saliva test for my hormone levels?


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My doctor had the kit for the saliva test and the lab was Diagnostechs in Washington state.  The sublingual lozenges or Troches are more expensive than the creams by quite a bit.  One drawback to the sublinguals is that you can't adjust your dose like you can with the cream.  
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Maybe a good idea would be for you to track your hormones levels through at least one or two cycles before you decide you need progesterone.

I tried the progesterone cream, but it didn't do much for me because as it turns out, I am estrogen deficient, as confirmed by my tests and Dr. Nash.  I think going to someone who can work with you to get your hormones into balance is advised.  You can really mess things up when you start playing with your hormones.


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Yes it is a good idea to know what your levels are and work with a doctor.  I did not want to do bio identical hormones, but the symptoms just kept getting worse. Hoping I won't need them anymore once GTD kicks in.  
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Quoted from Kim
Yes it is a good idea to know what your levels are and work with a doctor.  I did not want to do bio identical hormones, but the symptoms just kept getting worse. Hoping I won't need them anymore once GTD kicks in.  


You'll have to let us know how that goes, vacowgirl.  I have been on the diet for six months but still needed the bio-identical hormones.  I have been on them a little over a month now and I am finally SLEEPING and it is glorious!!!   I wake up in the morning THANKFUL for a good night's sleep!  It is important to celebrate the little things in life  


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I use it even tho I'm 63....I think it helps me sleep...?
Have you tried doing without to check...You may be taking it without needing it by now especially in light of in not being good to take it too much...
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It is possible to overdo the progesterone, so you don't have to use the amounts suggested on the package. But make sure that is what you really need.



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My doctor had the kit for the saliva test and the lab was Diagnostechs in Washington state.  The sublingual lozenges or Troches are more expensive than the creams by quite a bit.  One drawback to the sublinguals is that you can't adjust your dose like you can with the cream.  


It was actually much cheaper for me to go to a troche.  I was buying 3 creams.  The troche combined all of them for the price of what I paid for one cream.  I have taken some form of bio-identicals for several years.  Started with progesterone at about age 39-40.  Added estrogen about age 51, then very shortly after added a little testosterone.  At first it was better for me to use creams to get regulated and pretty sure of a dose.  My doctor does only bioidenticals now.  He used to be a very respected ob-gyn in the nearby large city.  I will have a test next week, my every 6 month test, and adjust the troche if needed.
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I would love to hear more about the sublingual progesterone.  I've been using the cream for years and I'm not liking what I'm reading here about it being stored in the fat cells and releasing at any random time.

How does one get rid of what's been stored in the fat cells?  

Where do I get a saliva test for my hormone levels?


I use about 1/2 the amount that the package recommends.

There was a real trend in the past decade for women to over-use Progesterone cream because it didn't require a prescription and it does so many good things.  Women were turning up with levels that were too high, so it's important to -

1.  Not exceed the recommended amount.
2.  Leave off a few days per month - anywhere from 5 days to 2 weeks, depending on if pre - or post-menopausal and what the levels in the body are.
3.  Monitor your body's level of hormones - especially if you are going to use any form of hormone supplementation.

It's not necessarily bad or harmful to use Progesterone cream.  Just don't look at it as hand cream.  I've seen women slather it all over their hands and arms!  

The body will dump the excess if permitted to do so; that is, if we are not continuing to use more than the body needs.  That's why I use 50% of what is suggested.  I've been using it for so long, that's the amount I feel best with.




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Maukik,

What compounding lab do you use for your troches?  Women's International Pharmacy charges me $160 for two months of estrogen and progesterone troches.  
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I am not well versed on the cream stuff..I get lazy usng it..

If I was young I would rad Susanne Somers  books.. I loved having my period.. I would have kept it for life if I could have..

today I use 5 HTP to stimulate my liver to 'balance' some hormones.. it might be a cheap over the counter thing, needed as much as you think is needed.. short or long term..  


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Maukik,

What compounding lab do you use for your troches?  Women's International Pharmacy charges me $160 for two months of estrogen and progesterone troches.  


When I first started using creams almost 20 yrs ago, I got them from Women's International Pharmacy.  The doctor I have gone to for the last 10 yrs calls mine into a pharmacy here in NC.  It is called Lowry Drug.  It is a too far for me to drive to for a prescription.  They ship it to me.  It is $50. per month for all estrogen/progesterone/testosterone.  There is actually one in our town that I went to when I was too short on time to have it shipped to me.  They were even less, like $45., but across town.  I am spoiled and like it mailed, so I just get it from Lowry.  

I don't know if they will fill for out of state or not.  You could call them.  If you want their info, let me know.  

You may have more compounding pharmacies around you.  We have several.  One is about $10. more, I am not sure about some of the others.  
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I would love the information on Lowry pharmacy.  Most compounding pharmacies are willing to ship.  It just costs so much from the pharmacy I am using now.  I have checked around me and so far, most of the pharmacies out of state are a bit cheaper.  I am in VA so a NC pharmacy shipping would be quick. I agree, love having things mailed to me too.
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