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Balletomane - I use a toothpaste that is glycerine free and uses the essential oils (the only brand I personally believe is pure enough to ingest - either through the skin or orally) in it. I put 2 drops of magnesium oil on my tooth brush up to 4 times per week. No more than that. I use that instead of brushing with my toothpaste. When I don't brush with the  mag oil (I muscle test when I should) I use my regular toothpaste. I don't want to ingest too much mag oil internally. Like I posted before, orally taking mag is not the best. The small amount I get in my mouth when brushing is still minimal.

I too have read that magnesium can self regulate too. I do believe this is only possible when other vitamins/minerals are in balance also. Magnesium helps to balance calcium levels in the body among other things. The reason why I tell my clients not to continue using mag oil once it stops tingling is because it's good to have a break from everything once in awhile. Everything in moderation. When people are low in vitamin K2 (mk-4) they will be less likely to be able to utilize the calcium they take in. The majority of K2 supplements in the market are in the mk-7 variety and the quantity that most supplements that have mk-4 are so low that it doesn't do much good. I searched and finally found a source of it that I'm selling to my clients that is helping those specifically that cannot absorb their calcium increase their bone density with only months of supplementation.  There is lot of studying to do and personal questioning to get a "feel" for what you personally need. Like I said before, listen to your body and follow your own innate wisdom and intuition to do what you ultimately feel is best for your body.

Victoria - Good for you! I know many people that "feel" instead of needing an actual visual show of a yes or no response. I get a feeling for things and than I double check by muscle testing. We are all born with a sixth sense. I believe the more evolved/healthy/balanced we become the more intuitive we will become.


I really love how much great info sharing we are all doing here! Great job everyone! I love it!


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Hi Christa,
Thanks for the toothbrushing tips! Most helpful. Sorry I'd like to hijack the thread again (very shortly)... can you recommend a good glycerine/flouride/SLS-free toothpaste? Still in search of one. Hijacking finished  


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Good stuff Christa, as usual.

I just want to mention that supplements are not the only source of MK-4.

I wonder if MK-4 is even absorbed all that well in supplement form.
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Patrick,
Can you tell us what kind of food is rich in MK-4?


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Balletomane- I just checked to make sure and the three tubes left of the toothpaste I have do not have glycerine or any of those baddies in them. I looked at the info on the site to make sure. Glad I did! *pout*   They have changed the formula and added vegetable glycerine. I'm not impressed. Bummer. I guess I'll just be brushing with mag oil and baking soda from now on. There is also tooth powders too out there... but why bother. I think baking soda will do the trick.

Patrick - You are very correct! The butter oil from "Green Pasture" has vitamin K of the mk-4 variety in it. Although the amount is not the 45 mg's per day that the Japanese clinical trails showed to decrease fractures in 81% in osteoporosis cases. I do believe with the studies they have found it to be very absorbable.

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Osteo-K contains a 45 mg of MK4™, also called MK-4™, menaquinone-4 and menatetrenone. MK4 is a form of Vitamin K2. The Archives of Internal Medicine confirms that 45 mg of MK4™ daily can decrease the risk of vertebral fractures by 60%, hip fractures by 71% and all nonvertebral fractures by 81%.

Calcium and vitamin D decrease how fast people lose bone minerals; however, vitamin K2 in the amounts found in Osteo-K have been shown to actually increase bone mineral density and decrease fracture risk.

Don't be fooled by other bone health formulas that contain vitamin K. Only Osteo-K contains the amount and form used in clinical trials--45 milligrams (nearly all other formulas contain much smaller amounts, measured in micrograms, which can be hundreds of times less than what's in Osteo-K). And other products contain MK7, another form of vitamin K, but which has never been shown in clinical trials to reduce fractures. Only MK4 reduces fractures. MK4 (45 mg daily) is so effective that it's been an approved by the Ministry of Health in Japan since 1995 for the treatment of osteoporosis.
Quoted from the website - http://www.nbihealth.com/p-10-osteo-k.aspx

This website has great webinars and citations. I searched a long time to hunt down this supplement and I have over 20 clients, not including myself and my parents, on this. One client (an O blood type) took it for only one month and went that was the last month of her 6 months between bone scans. Her doctor was shocked as it increased by 4% in one month. That's unheard of. Especially for a 63 yr old woman who's bd was decreasing no matter what she did.


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I mix up my own tooth powder- half baking soda, half kosher salt, and then I add a few drops of essential oils (my current batch is clove and peppermint) before shaking it all up.


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Just wondering ruthiegirl, wouldn't making the baking soda permanently "wet" prior to using it, render its properties inactive?  I know re using it for washing hair you are supposed to keep it out of the shower & away from humidity... *slight hijack* *waves*
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I was wondering about that too Possum. Wouldn't it be better keeping to dry until use?


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I have it in a closed jar, and stick a moistened toothbrush into the mixture. The damp salt and soda stick to the toothbrush, and what's left in the container remains mostly dry.


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Cool idea Ruthie!


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OK, I finally purchased actual magnesium oil- what an improvement over the epsom salts spray! It doesn't cake up and leave white flakes on my skin! What's left in the spray bottle got poured into somebody's bathwater.

Now that I have the magnesium oil, how much should I be using? The bottle says to use 4-5 sprays per day, which  means I only need to spray my belly, not my whole body. It is quite tingly (in a burn-y kind of way.) It's not a pleasant feeling, but it doesn't last long and I can deal with that.

Is 4-5 sprays once a day enough, or should I be using more?


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Different brands have a widely differing potency.  Does it tell you how much mag. you are getting?



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Ruthie, after 20 minutes, the magnesium oil has been absorbed through your skin.  You can
then wash it off/shower...  You're right, you don't need to spray your entire body...anywhere is fine...legs, arms...

This might answer some of your questions.

http://www.naturalhealingtools.com/product_information/mag.clay/Magnesium-Oil-Guide.pdf

http://magnesiumforlife.com/transdermal-magnesium/combining-oral-with-transdermal/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN1CvC-38k4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya16p_zeSMc&feature=related
(Mark Sircus is an expert on MO and has written a book)


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I got mine today! I researched a lot of different brands and settled for Swanson...got it from the Swanson website. It's also on Amazon. I got tingly! I also take Mag citrate...400 mg a day...should I stop taking it? I am very deficient so I want to make sure I get enough. I haven't gotten the runs or anything close to it...does that mean I need more than 400 mg? Would 400 mg mag citrate + 5 sprays of the oil be ok?


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Interesting magnesium oil information from Dr. Norman Shealy

http://www.health-and-wisdom.com/images/shealy%20mag%20oil%20testing.pdf


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OK, it sounds like I should be using way more than 4 sprays a day- one source recomended spraying 1-2 ounces over my body each day, which would use up my current (8 oz) bottle in less than a week!

It was already a stretch to my budget to get the 8oz bottle right now. Just using 4 sprays a day must be an improvement over not using it at all. But now I don't have to worry that I might overdose if I use 8 sprays on my belly and then another 8 sprays on my legs- and even this much shouldn't use up the bottle too quickly. I just sprayed some on my legs- ack is this itchy! I must be pretty low in mag if it itches, right?


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A couple sprays a day is fine Ruthie. You need to slowly add it and build it up in your system. Just because you need it doesn't mean you should spray it over your entire body.

The tingling means you are deficient and you should dilute it half and half at least while you build it up in your system.

Also remember that with adding more magnesium you can and should take more calcium, boron, phosphorus, C and D3. To compliment it and build all those bone building and body strengthening nutrients into your system.

So much to do... baby steps.  


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I'm already a bit high on D3, after over-supplementing this winter. I should let my D levels get back below 90.

I drink rose hip tea daily for vitamin C.

I do have a cal/mag/xzinc supplement that I'm taking orally; 500 mg of calcium and 250 of magnesium (1 pill per day rather than the 2 recomended on the bottle)  but how do I get boron and phosphorus?

In the past, I took the cal/mag/zinc (2 pills daily) plus extra oral magnesium at night. So the mag spray is designed to be in place of the extra oral mag I've since stopped taking.


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Christa I've read in a lot of places that the oil is supposed to be sprayed in the mouth for enamel repair? Is putting it on the toothbrush better for that? Do you know if the spraying is supposed to be in the back of the throat or under the tongue? The tooth I am desperately trying to strengthen is my front tooth...I wonder if maybe rubbing it in the gum would help?

My main reason for the mag oil is my poor tooth...my vanity hurts more than anything else, lol.

Last night I put the mag oil all over my face, it stung so bad! I actually had to wash it off after like 10 min, and it left my face super soft but a little red. This morning it's still soft. I'm scared though because I have three little moles and I've read that they can actually fall off! That kinda creeps me out. I have a medium sized one on my cheek and it got a little bit poofy. I had sprayed it on my arms earlier and it stung but nowhere nearly as bad.

So do you know if I can still take the 400 mg of mag citrate + the oil? I am severely deficient.


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Foods high in boron:
http://www.greenfacts.org/en/boron/toolboxes/2.htm

Info on phosphorus (most animal foods are high)  I wouldn't additionally supplement if I were you.
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/phosphorus/

The mag spray is essentially the best way to absorb magnesium (which isn't very absorbable orally)

And the more deficient you are in magnesium, the more difficult it is to absorb it orally.

Many people with fibro are low in magnesium.

I go through periods of time when I don't need much magnesium oil...seem to have enough...
but recently I've needed to use it...plus take magnesium citrate.  I can feel it  when my magnesium deficiency symptoms return; I get a headache, depression, constipation, achy muscles.

Regarding the itching....this is interesting.
http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/understanding-magnesium-replenishment-transdermally/

jesi, because the oil is absorbed quickly and the oral magnesium isn't, you can keep doing both until you
see the transdermal working.  If you wind up with diarrhea, then stop the oral...otherwise, you probably
won't have a problem using both forms.  I take 400 of mag citrate along with the transdermal when I feel
I need it.


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Is having tooth sensitivities a sign oh low mag??? just wondering cause my teeth have been crazy sensitive in the last 6 months.


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oh ok, good to know! Thanks a lot! I think I'm going to try spraying it on my armpits and my mouth and my face today. I'm so excited! lol


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Ruthie, scroll down to #6 and #7

http://www.ancient-minerals.com/magnesium-deficiency/need-more/

According to this information, I'm not sure you want to be taking much calcium until you start absorbing more magnesium.


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Chloe I really liked your link. Do you think maybe then my face burnt like crazy and my arm was just a tiny tickle because I have more toxins on my face? Or could it be that because I use alpha hydroxy and scrubs and stuff my skin there is a little bit more open to receiving the mag?



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Is having tooth sensitivities a sign oh low mag??? just wondering cause my teeth have been crazy sensitive in the last 6 months.


It's difficult to pinpoint one nutrient as the cause given this sounds more like nerve pain...Nerves require a balance of minerals as well as many other nutrients, it's also possible you have a deficiency in a B vitamin.  B12 is a possibility.

Are you taking any supplements for your blood type?


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