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Ruthie - If you feel like you can handle a corn magnesium "magnesium citrate", than go ahead and keep taking it until you can switch. Ultimately it comes down to YOUR personal feeling on it. You need to decide.

I am a sharer of information and it's up to others to hear the info and either take it and run with it or find what their own personal "truth" on something is. We all need to educate ourselves and find what works for us personally. This is exactly what we are taught with the btd.

Drea - With muscle testing, my way of explaining it to people is that our "spirit" or our energy that makes the organic matter that is our bodies, actually move... knows innately what we need. So by muscle testing we ask yes/no questions and our spirit gives us the answers. This might be too out there for some of us more logical thinkers. But I need to say, Kinesiology is an actual science. I myself am a very logical person and sometimes worry that my weird, energy feeling, extremely intuitive side is more a curse than a blessing.
With those products that I tested online... I didn't actually muscle test them on the website although I have done muscle testing on people across the world and other energy therapies and do regular sessions that I get paid for and those people feel that it makes a big difference for them.
I wish I had more time to type everything out that I want to share but my time is limited and sometimes I just come on to mellow out before I fall asleep. So let me clear this up... I actually physically ordered 4 different products from websites and also bought a mag oil from the nearest health food store to me that is an hour and a half drive away from me. I tested again and again with different clients and family members. Across the board, the magnesium oil from Health and Wisdom was the best, most absorbable form. In the past 4 month or so now I've sold over 100 bottles out of my little small town family store. We have return customers now that say they have never felt so good in such a long time.  I hope this clears the muscles testing the products questions.
I have to say though that I have muscle tested products online without actually buying them and that is because I muscle test all the time and feel confident in my ability to assess things this way. Studying muscle testing and learning to do it for yourself would be the best way to really explore this method. If you live closer I'd teach your personally. Being in person to teach someone is really the only way in my opinion to teach someone about simplistic muscle testing. I teach my clients, especially those that are now follow the btd to muslce test food so that even if a product looks good they can test it and get a feel for if it will or not. Just one more way to find what works specifically for yourself.

Now back to the laundry! lol


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Please, can you explain how you muscle test a product on a website?

Drea,
FYI., I would have to buy a sample, hold it in my hand and test it...  I haven't developed the ability to test a product long distance...  I know some people can perform long distance testing by focusing mental energy on it, but without being able to verify the test is accurate, I won't attempt it...  The longest I have been able to knowingly "sense" something is about 15 feet...



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I shared this on the FS thread but I just wanted to comment on my experience with magnesium
oil.

Although many people are seriously deficient, many of us aren't and wouldn't even know if
we are, even going by a list of symptoms.  I found heavy spraying of magnesium oil all over my body sometimes lowers my blood pressure in a serious way to the point of where I feel almost
lightheaded and ready to pass out.

At first when I started using it, I would soak my feet in a foot bath of mag oil and hot water....I
did this daily for a few days in a row....and then suddenly, I found myself unable to take a deep
breath....feeling lightheaded and weak.....in fact, exhausted.  Now whether this totally pushed me
towards a calcium deficiency or a complete imbalance of electrolytes, it never dawned upon me
that magnesium transdermally could be quite so potent.  And maybe too much magnesium
will make one feel exhausted.

What I do now is spray lightly in a few spots and then shower it off after 15-20 minutes....I might spray down my arms and legs, rub it in....for a total of about 3 sprays on each limb and that's it.  Some days I don't use it at all.  I muscle test the bottle and sometimes I'm just weak on it.  I used to need lots and lots of magnesium and now I don't seem to need very much at all. It's been said that you can't overdose on magnesium oil....but my personal experience showed me that you can.... at least I did.  You have to really assess how you feel after using it...Any indication that it's making you feel weak or lightheaded, and I'm pretty sure it's an indication that you don't need to use as much as you did.

Just sharing my experience, although not everyone will have my reaction.  I think after awhile,
your body builds up a magnesium reserve and you have to start using less and less.  Today
I only sprayed a total of 6 sprays and it was enough.  I can tell if I start feeling lightheaded after an hour or so that I probably needed to use less...or none at all.  I'm using magnesium
oil for at least 4 years so perhaps it's done its job.  It was miraculous for fibromyalgia...but
every ache and pain isn't a magnesium deficiency.  Sometimes it's other electrolytes that
are unbalanced or just plain dehydration.

I also balance by taking Phytocal or the Genotype mineral formula because magnesium is just
one mineral and we need all minerals in the right balance.


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Thanks for the explanation, Christa. I've been interested in honing my skills in this area, just have no way to actually know if I'm correct in my assessments. I can be very logical but also have a "out there" streak. Fold away.


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I made up a spray with epsom salts today; 1 cup of epsom salts in 12oz of water (but then it was too much for my 12oz bottle so I had to spill some out.) I've sprayed it on myself 3 times today, once just on my belly and legs, then my whole body about half an hour before I showered, and again right after my shower. I figured it's a good idea to use much more than recomended for the "good magnesium oil" since what I have can't be absorbed as well.

I'm feeling very tired today, which may or may not be from the magnesium- I didn't get enough sleep for 2 days in a row. But being tired is a good thing if it means I'll be able to fall asleep without melatonin (especially since the only form I have in the house right now contains fructose.)

A friend taught me how to do muscle testing about 16 years ago, and I'm pretty good at using it to figure out what I personally need. Much more recently, I've tried doing it for my kids- it works best for me if I hold something of the child's and look at his/her bed and think about the child while doing it. I haven't thought to try it for vitamin, mineral, or herbal supplements- I've only used it to isolate what Bach Flower Remedies to use.


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Cloe - Thanks for sharing your experience! Everything in balance is definitely what I am constantly sharing with my clients. Thanks for mentioning that aspect of magnesium supplementation. Are you feeling a tingling when you use magnesium oil? And which brand were you using? And are you taking calcium, vitamin D3 with your mag? This is something that I consider vital when supplementing with magnesium.


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Christa, is it your experience that the tingling goes away eventually?



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calcium carbonate is ground chalk


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Christa, is it your experience that the tingling goes away eventually?


Yes. When you have used magnesium enough that your have enough in your body you will stop feeling the tingling even with undiluted magnesium oil. Once you get to that point take 1 month off and see if you still aren't tingling. If you still aren't wait another month and so on and so on. Once you start tingling when you use it, that's when you know you need it.



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Christa, can you tell us how you use the magnesium oil for brushing your teeth? Do you put some drops on your tooth brush and brush directly, or do you add your toothpaste on it too?




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Cloe - Thanks for sharing your experience! Everything in balance is definitely what I am constantly sharing with my clients. Thanks for mentioning that aspect of magnesium supplementation. Are you feeling a tingling when you use magnesium oil? And which brand were you using? And are you taking calcium, vitamin D3 with your mag? This is something that I consider vital when supplementing with magnesium.


I use magnesium oil from Swanson's.  It's the original formula from the ancient Zechstein Sea.
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/health-library/products/barbara-hendel-magnesium-oil.html

No, I don't feel a tingling sensation anymore. Magnesium oil used to burn...would make my skin pucker but now it doesn't tingle at all. I take calcium as well.  Clearcal or Phytocal or the
Genotype mineral formula in rotation..  As for D3...been taking it for ages...maybe longer than I'm using magnesium oil.  My D level is high now..(need to be tested again).  I take 10,000 iu of D at least 6 days a week.

But very honestly, way back when I first tried magnesium oil as a foot bath, (mixed with warm
water) this is what Marc Sircus recommends in his book on magnesium oil, I wasn't taking enough other minerals in balance. So I experienced for myself, the very thing you're mentioning
not to do....and I want to reiterate.  If you aren't taking a balanced form of minerals in supplement form, be cautious about over spraying magnesium oil.  IT can be potent.

Right now, I don't seem to need a lot of magnesium oil...This morning I used about 8 sprays
in various places....took a shower after 20 minutes, washed it off....took my other minerals
and D.  Feel fine.



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I know that calcium carbonate is ground chalk. What I don't know is whether the body can use the calcium from the ground chalk, especially when consumed with food, or whether it's simply pooped out undigested.


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I know that calcium carbonate is ground chalk. What I don't know is whether the body can use the calcium from the ground chalk, especially when consumed with food, or whether it's simply pooped out undigested.


Dr. D doesn't recommend ground chalk...His Clearcal formula comes from the sea.
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP037



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interesting, Chloe. I thought mag oil would self regulate, as in, not absorb more than needed...I thought I read that somewhere.....which doesn't make it true... Thanks for the tip.
Like fish oil which everyone says to take a lot of, but I almost fainted from one high dose cap a day...after just a few days.
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I know that Dr D recomends a different source of calcium, but the NAP calcium supplements are more than  10 times the price of the ones at Trader Joe's.  Even if I'm only absorbing half the calcium from these, that still makes them 1/5 the price of the NAP product.

The question isn't "should I use the Trader Joe's product or the NAP product?"  The question is "Should I use the Trader Joe's product or not bother taking calcium at all?"


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interesting, Chloe. I thought mag oil would self regulate, as in, not absorb more than needed...I thought I read that somewhere.....which doesn't make it true... Thanks for the tip.
Like fish oil which everyone says to take a lot of, but I almost fainted from one high dose cap a day...after just a few days.


Both fish oil and magnesium in high doses have the same effect on me. I feel like fainting.. I think both can lower blood pressure to an extreme level, if you take more than your body needs.

From this link:  http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/conditionsatod/a/Diabetes.htm

High doses of magnesium may cause diarrhea, nausea, loss of appetite, muscle weakness, difficulty breathing, low blood pressure, irregular heart rate, and confusion. It can interact with certain medications, such as those for osteoporosis, high blood pressure (calcium channel blockers), as well as some antibiotics, muscle relaxants, and diuretics.

Given I don't have blood sugar problems, when I take more magnesium than my body needs,
I wind up with magnesium overload pretty quickly.   This is why I love Dr. D's mineral formulas.
They are exactly what my body needs in a perfect balance!~

Ruthie, this is just my personal opinion (and I'm fully aware that this is a major financial issue for you) is that it's better to take no calcium and get your nutrients from high calcium foods rather than swallow chalk.  Unless you have a calcium deficiency, there is probably very little need for you to be taking calcium.  Weight bearing exercise, calcium/magnesium and other
minerals from vegetables (and sea vegetables) will protect your bones.  You already take
vitamin D. Save your money on a poorly absorbed product.

This entire subject might be interesting for starting another thread about the necessity of taking nutrients
that aren't compatible with the BTD or the GTD....


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I know that Dr D recomends a different source of calcium, but the NAP calcium supplements are more than  10 times the price of the ones at Trader Joe's.  Even if I'm only absorbing half the calcium from these, that still makes them 1/5 the price of the NAP product.

The question isn't "should I use the Trader Joe's product or the NAP product?"  The question is "Should I use the Trader Joe's product or not bother taking calcium at all?"


Clearcal is $20 and has 120 capsules.  How much does the TJ's calcium cost?

And here is a list of high calcium foods.
http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/fcs/bb/highcalciumfds.html


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Thanks to Christa's mention of muscle testing, I decided to muscle-test each of my supplements before taking them this morning. I did a "placebo" test on a package of lollypops, to make sure I was doing it right, and when that came up "yes" I decided I'd better have a proper meal and then try again! Well, fed, the lollypops came up "no." Interstingly enough, so did the B complex and the vitamin D. I skipped the B complex but took the D anyway (I'd been taking 20,000 IU per day for the past week or so, since DD1 got sick, rather than the 10,000 IU my MD recomended. I took 10,000 iu this morning.) Then I tested the cal/mag/zinc and it came up "yes" so I took it.

A few minutes later, I noticed that I have a  bottle of coral calcium powder that I bought a while ago and forgot about. I muscle tested that and got a much stronger response than for the TJ's tablets. Starting tomorrow, I'll switch to the coral calcium.

The Trader Joe's calcium cost $2.50 for 60 pills (30 day supply.)


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http://www.seaweed.ie/uses_ireland/irishmaerl.html

maerl is a seaweed/algae and I'm not sure it's the same as coral calcium.

Sorry I'm hijacking this thread about magnesium oil.


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Yes. When you have used magnesium enough that your have enough in your body you will stop feeling the tingling even with undiluted magnesium oil. Once you get to that point take 1 month off and see if you still aren't tingling. If you still aren't wait another month and so on and so on. Once you start tingling when you use it, that's when you know you need it.


I can see how my body is adjusting to the Mag. oil.  I used a lot more of it in the beginning.  Now, I've reduced the quantity and am using it once a day instead of twice.  My body speaks pretty clearly to me about supplement needs.  Guess that's my form of muscle testing.  

It seems to be helping my lower back ache and a couple of other joints that can ache in the cold weather.  And I noticed this morning that there was no burning/tingling when I sprayed it on.



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Quick hijack then I'm done: I know I can google muscle testing, but do any of you who do it regularly have a site link that is reliable? Or are they all about the same? I want to start "listening".


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Quick hijack then I'm done: I know I can google muscle testing, but do any of you who do it regularly have a site link that is reliable? Or are they all about the same? I want to start "listening".


I really like this lady and have watched many of her youtube videos.

This is an easy way to muscle test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFj9bg81sVk&feature=related

Another easy method
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USJHqxxIC7Y&feature=related


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Thank you Chloe!


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