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san j
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So far I'm the only one with a B allele on this thread. I've found it disturbing that the formulation is apparently not pleasant to the taste. There's no excuse for it in the marketplace, and it's very bad - even suicidal - for a business. I've just asked the NAP people to investigate improving the product for better taste.

Manufacturers thrive on this sort of feedback. The best way to help them succeed is to help them create great products that can be honestly lauded in their advertising.

Leave it to the B to step outside the box?


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productwise, you're right, san j. ......however, I asked my chiropractor how a certain supp was gonna taste and he just said, loudly, "I don't care!" which point I got! loud and clear.
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It sounds like the taste is fine for Type A's, who naturally have a taste for veggies.  But for us meateaters--it's horrible!!  My Type A Mom eats a lot of stuff that my O sister, my O brother-in-law, and I find extremely bitter and yucky.  Maybe we just need a Harmonia for Type O???

This doesn't explain why Lola likes is so much, though!  


Nope, the taste not fine for this A. I think Harmonia tastes awful.  Really awful.  I drink it but I have to drink it really fast so I don't gag.   It also smells really bad to me.  And I'm not even a super
taster.  I am a mild taster.



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I wonder if it's the chlorella in it.  An awesome superfood, but it's an unfamiliar taste for most people.



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Nope, the taste not fine for this A. I think Harmonia tastes awful.  Really awful.  I drink it but I have to drink it really fast so I don't gag.   It also smells really bad to me.  And I'm not even a super
taster.  I am a mild taster.



So far, no one seems to think it tastes like "light, crisp taste of freshly picked berries" as advertised!  Does anyone like it or do we all just tolerate it because it is so good for us?  

I don't know how Lola manages to put 2 tablespoons in her smoothies--I can stand only one teaspoon before the taste is overpowering to me!
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I don't know if NAP will change the product, but perhaps it's more practical to ask them to change the product description.

If I'd make any product suggestions at all, I'd suggest they make the product available in capsules, so you can get the benefits without the taste.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I don't know if NAP will change the product, but perhaps it's more practical to ask them to change the product description.

If I'd make any product suggestions at all, I'd suggest they make the product available in capsules, so you can get the benefits without the taste.


Yes!!!
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As long as nothing has to be added.  
Wouldn't that be a lot of capsules?


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If you do not enjoy it as food, think of it as medicine.  Whatever NAP does to improve the taste, I hope they will never compromise the medicinal value ... that is the way I see these formulations ... like having antibiotics, they are made nice and sweet, very appealing for kiddies to enjoy   ... pitty nobody complains about the side effects or lack of good nutrients for the body then ... I gather they business $$$$$ are safe though   ...  to everyone else's cost!!!

Kudos to NAP and Dr D for taking the business risk of putting these formulations in the market, with consideration for our health first ... I can put up with the inconvenience of having to find my own way to make it taste right for me ... my contribution to those who focus on what is important for me ....  




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Quoted from ruthiegirl
I don't know if NAP will change the product, but perhaps it's more practical to ask them to change the product description.

If I'd make any product suggestions at all, I'd suggest they make the product available in capsules, so you can get the benefits without the taste.


I second Ruthiegirl's idea!

I also like Sandra's idea of soaking it in juice overnight. I will try and see if the taste if more acceptible for me.

As Victoria pointed out, it probably is the chlorella that gives this product this unpalatable taste/smell. I remember adding chlorella powder to my smoothie a long time ago, and just a tsp made the drink taste awful! It is very beneficial. However, I wonder if it can be replaced with something that has a similar nutritional value.

Speaking of the taste of supps/green powder: I had tried different brands prior to adopting the BTD. I agree that most green powder sucks! However, there was one brand called MicroLife, which makes truly delicious green drinks. If it wasn't for the non-compliant ingredients, I would have kept on drinking it.




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If you do not enjoy it as food, think of it as medicine.  


That's an interesting thought... it reminds me of the ancient Chinese saying: "Bitter taste in the mouth is good medicine."  

But that's the reason I don't take Chinese herbal medicine in its most common form (broth).




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I personally think Harmonia doesn't have enough fruit powders in relation to the sea vegetables. I
just noticed that it's got kelp (a toxin on my SWAMI, so I really shouldn't be drinking it anyway).
Kelp tastes like the ocean....it's strong, salty and bitter and it overpowers all the other
ingredients.  I think this is what we're finding as the worst offender in this formula. It's the only flavor I taste when I try to drink it.  Chlorella isn't quite as objectionable. In fact, I can eat chlorella tablets and they just taste "green" to me...not like seaweed.  The bitterness I hate is the kelp flavor and it tastes and smells fishy as well as bitter.

Just noticed that two more Harmonia ingredients, bladderwrack and Nori are also my SWAMI toxins.

Maybe this is why I feel so opposed to drinking this formula...too many toxins in it for me







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Quoted from san j
So far I'm the only one with a B allele on this thread. I've found it disturbing that the formulation is apparently not pleasant to the taste. There's no excuse for it in the marketplace, and it's very bad - even suicidal - for a business. I've just asked the NAP people to investigate improving the product for better taste.


Taste is really individual - I personally like the taste!  I've definitely had much worse greens powders before!  I will drink it alone or just with protein powder in water after the gym, but more often I add it to a smoothie, in which case it works really well.  

I think taste has a lot to do with what you are used to eating because your taste sense changes dramatically when you change your diet.  

But then again, I also love the taste of larch, which not everyone does...  And I add swiss chard and spirulina to smoothies too and that tastes just great to me!  Try having spirulina powder alone and Harmonia will seem like a piece of cake!


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Oh Whimsical, you like spirulina? To me that's far worse than chlorella and kelp combined! Chloe, I think you're probably right about the "fishy" taste. It should've come from kelp, not chlorella. I take dulse as a spice in my cooking quite often so I think I can actually do without the kelp in the formula. But it's true that we all have different taste buds, even if we are of the same blood type!




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fucus as well......it s seaweed.....how else should it taste but fishy


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Yeah, I'm sitting here eating a can of smushed up sardines with skin and the bones left in, and mixed with minced celery.  This actually tastes so good to me, and I remember the day when even the thought of eating something like this would have made me feel like  .  




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Yeah, I'm sitting here eating a can of smushed up sardines with skin and the bones left in, and mixed with minced celery.  This actually tastes so good to me, and I remember the day when even the thought of eating something like this would have made me feel like  .  



It is called healing ... ditto here .... slurp ...  




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Marketing 101, really. Market it as a medicine and tell the consumer "Don't think of it as a tasty beverage. Some choose to hold their noses", and s/he'll appreciate the heads-up. Some might even say, "OK, but it wasn't THAT bad-tasting". But position it as a "delicious" drink with the crisp taste of fresh berries and you'd better deliver it, or there goes your credibility. There's too much riding on advertising honesty here. A whole line of products, a whole catalogue, can be flushed down the toilet if consumer experiences with something touted as "delicious" result in gagging, nose-holding, and forum threads advising ways to - hello - cover up that so-called deliciousness.

When there's a problem, let's call it a problem. I was a chef, and if the food hadn't been delicious, we'd have been in big trouble. Customers wouldn't have gathered to discuss how to TRY to enjoy the food. No one is helping the D'Adamo work by refusing to face flaws here head-on. Businesses don't hire marketing consultants and trouble-shooters to pat them on the back and say "Everything's perfect. And if people complain, tell 'em there's something wrong with them." "Mind over Matter" is a self-delusory mechanism when applied this disingenuously in a marketing context. The catalogue is a marketing tool or it's nothing.


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like Ara.....let there be powder and capsule forms of Harmonia, for clients to choose...
but pls don t change the formula!!!!

I have bottles full of empty DPN gel caps, cause I enjoy dumping my sups on my food.....depending

and like Kate and others......we manage creating great tasting nutritious concoctions
using real food

in my country, I do not have access to a vast variety of organic produce, so adding my
Harmonia to my daily meals keeps me very relaxed......ofcourse I prepare all types of veggies and fruits etc.....but Harmonia is a must


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san j has got a point here.
I think that if the label did not make me expect some kind of fruiti tutti taste, there wouldn't be just a jarring sense when I consume the product. If, for example, I open a can of sardine, I would expect it to smell fishy. How else should it smell but fishy, right  ? If there would be more emphasis on the sea vegetable content of this product in the marketing, maybe that would make me more alert  !!!




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like Ara.....let there be powder and capsule forms of Harmonia, for clients to choose..


Lola: No one's touting ARA as a delicious beverage.



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did you know there are ara capsules?
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP004

and also the powdered form of course, which is delicious, yet others
might also not like the taste


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Lola: No one's touting ARA as a delicious beverage.



Actually, I am!  I love the taste of ARA!  Ha ha!    And like I said before, I like Harmonia too!  My spirulina I bury in a smoothie and that works just fine...  Perhaps NAP did some market research and the majority of people liked Harmonia?  We can only each speak for ourselves, after all...


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Lola. I think you're putting us on.

I have the catalogue in front of me. Harmonia is listed as a BEVERAGE. It's described as DELICIOUS, with a "light crisp" and "refreshing" "taste". It's also called a "health drink". (page 13)

On the very next page (14) ARA-6 appears under "NATUROPATHIC FORMULAS", where it is described as an "IMMUNE-ENHANCING PRODUCT". There is absolutely nothing leading a consumer to expect to use ARA-6 as a "delicious"-tasting "beverage".

You leaf through the catalogue. You invest $40 in the deliciousness of the beverage. You're in the market for a BEVERAGE and the copy in this catalogue has persuaded you to part with your money and wait for that delicious beverage powder to arrive. And you're disappointed. Turning the page to Naturopathic Formulas doesn't get you your money back. Have you never been in sales? The customer returns the product for legitimate reasons. Trying to talk him into covering up the fact that he doesn't like it is not the way to rectify the situation.It is the way to alienate the public.

In the restaurant, the customer sends back a dish. The manager asks what the problem is and asks, "What may we do to make your dining experience here a happy one?" And you give him what he wants. Then that customer goes and tells 10 people how your establishment turned his evening around. He'll be back, too.

Me, I want the customer to come back. If he says the soup was too salty, I consider it. If she says the lotion was watery, I want to know about it. If many are saying my "delicious beverage" is really neither and should be taken in capsule form in order to be worthwhile, guess what? I change the category. I offer it in capsule form. Or I improve the product's taste.

Why is there a dis-connect here?


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OMG!!! I open the package and instead of something to suit my personal taste which differs from many others, I have got a a supplement wich is going to make me healthy!!!! quick quick, send in the crooks police!!!!  they are trying to make me healthy instead of giving me a good tasty drink!!!!  Maybe a softdrink is more attractive?!!! at least tastewise!!!     ...

Not trying to sound sarcastic but stressing the point that it is all personal, individual, as you can see, some do not like it, but some of us love it, just sprinkled on salads even!!! Each to their own!!! It is not denying the quality of the stuff!!!  And regarding knowing about sales and returning policies, it is all in the context and product, we all know that: Once you buy your underwear, that it is, you have to wear or tear it!!! so being on sales or not, there are some products we know do not go back, once you bought them, no matter how legitimate the call is ... 'did not like it' certainly does not make it ... in the context of health building here .. imo .... Try to buy a loaf of bread and take it back because it does not suit your taste ...




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