Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register


Main Forum Page  ♦   Latest Posts  ♦   Member Center  ♦   Search  ♦   Archives   ♦   Help   ♦   Log In/Out   ♦   Admins
Forum Login
Login Name: Create a new account
Password:     Forgot password

BTD Forums    Diet and Nutrition    Supp Right For Your Type  ›  5-HtP
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 9 Guests

5-HtP  This thread currently has 3,265 views. Print Print Thread
2 Pages 1 2 All Recommend Thread
BluesSinger
Sunday, May 30, 2010, 9:03pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Following HUNTER
Ee Dan
Posts: 828
Gender: Female
Location: Grants Pass, OR
Age: 56
Hello Everyone I'm new here.  I have a friend who told me about this forum and told me to set up my profile info. which I will do soon.

I am an O Secretor and am following the Swami for my type.  

Since I am trying to stay away from sugar, a life long addiction, I am having not only withdrawal symptoms but I have also found that I have used sugar for 40 years of my life to deal with low level depression.  

I have tested this out a number of times, not because I want to but because my darkness comes in and as soon as I eat a sugary and sometimes chocolate item, within a few minutes I am ok again.  The darkness is lifted and I feel almost immediately better.

I have done MUCH reading on the topic and found a very good book "The Hidden Addiction and How to Break Free"  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316704717/ref=oss_product

This really hit home with what I feel has been going on with me.

So I have been researching further and I'm going to try 5-HTP and I found one that does not contain that seed that O's are supposed to not ingest at:  http://www.webnat.com/proddetail.asp?prod=2806-4  

So I'm wondering the best way to take it for O's specifically i.e. morning or night or afternoon or when to help me survive my dark depressions that hit me mostly in the afternoons and especially hard if I am working on withdrawing from sugar.

Also any O experiences on this would be very helpful..

I have done L-Tyrosine and it only causes me intense nightmares and anxiety.  And I know that St. John's Wart is out for O's.  

I get plenty of vitamins and exercise and for the most part eat well, except for when I crave and feel dark and down, then I reach for sugary items and overeat them to excess.  A vicious cycle.

Thank you.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message
Lola
Sunday, May 30, 2010, 9:06pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,350
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 58
You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name.

how to
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/

Welcome!
displaying messages under the avatar:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/#num1

what does your daily exercise routine look like??


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 1 - 44
Andrea AWsec
Sunday, May 30, 2010, 10:12pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI INFJ Warrior Taster
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 7,692
Gender: Female
Location: Long Island, NY
Age: 51
K
Quoted Text
imonoKat     
August 14, 2006, 5:04pm      Quote  Report to Moderator

Gathering seams-stress extraordinaire
Kyosha Nim

Posts: 3,832
Gender:  Female
Location: Sherman Oaks, California
Age: 101
What are you taking the 5HTP for?  I believe Dr. D no longer recommends this supplement for Type O's.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I would recommend taking calcium at night.  Calcium helps you get a better sleep (I always sleep throught the night when I remember to take it then) and it works better at night in the body.



Just an Rh- grasshopper; still learning about BTD since 1998.  My BTD Story
Logged     Offline
Site  Private message     Reply: 5 - 29
Don     
August 14, 2006, 5:57pm      Quote  Report to Moderator

Rh-, MN
Sam Dan

Posts: 7,189
Gender:  Male
Location: North Alabama
Age: 54
Quoted from KimonoKat
What are you taking the 5HTP for?  I believe Dr. D no longer recommends this supplement for Type O's.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I would recommend taking calcium at night.  Calcium helps you get a better sleep (I always sleep throught the night when I remember to take it then) and it works better at night in the body.

Correct about the 5-HTP.

Calcium is better absorbed with the consumption of protein, since protein will stimulate the release of IAP and IAP helps absorb calcium. Therefore I think it is good to take the calcium with dinner (as she is doing), since it is needed more for overnight process in the body, and then take the magnesium sometime after dinner and before going to bed.


Quoted Text
ruthiegirl     
May 10, 2010, 3:14pm      Quote  Report to Moderator

SWAMI Gatherer, Healing from Fibromyalgia
Sam Dan

Posts: 1,823
Gender:  Female
Location: New York
Age: 37
Quoted from Golfzilla


Thanks Ruthie! Have you tried Catechol, L-Tyrosine, or the 5-HTP


I haven't had a chance to buy any Catechol yet. I did buy L-Tyrosine and rhodiola at a local HFS, but then I read that L-tyrosine isn't a good idea for somebody with high blood pressure, so I'm not sure what to do. I've stopped taking the 5-HTP  because I read that Dr. D. doesnt' recomend it (it's got a lectin that's bad for all but Os, and he thinks raising dopamine is more important than raising seratonin in Os.) Now I'm afraid to try the catechol because it contains tyrosine.

I just took Julia Ross' The Mood Cure out of the library, and I should go read through that (instead of being online ) and figure out which supplements she would recomend for me, then of course double-check any of those recomendations against BTD.

I don't want to order any more supplements online until I've put in a bit more research.


MIFHI

"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 2 - 44
geminisue
Sunday, May 30, 2010, 11:18pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMIED Rh+ G2-Gatherer
Sam Dan
Posts: 2,763
Gender: Female
Location: GOTL, Ohio, U.S.A.
Age: 69
O's are allowed dark chocolate (60%cocoa or higher) I believe it's 1 ounce piece a day.

May get you over the rough edges, as you avoid sugar.  (magnesium may be a bit low)
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 3 - 44
Lloyd
Sunday, May 30, 2010, 11:59pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1 (Hunter)
Sa Bon Nim
Administrator
Posts: 7,319
I would start with Rhodiola and exercise. There are other things that may be tried as well but would start with the obvious.

L- Glutamine may help with sugar cravings.

L- Theanine if you must do something else for mood.

Everything else I would wait until giving these a decent trial.
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 4 - 44
BluesSinger
Monday, May 31, 2010, 12:29am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Following HUNTER
Ee Dan
Posts: 828
Gender: Female
Location: Grants Pass, OR
Age: 56
Hi Everyone:  thanks for input so far.  I don't do well on Rhodiola.  Exercise is great but does not stop my afternoon depression and cravings.  I'm taking L-Glutamine but it does not stop my afternoon depression.  I'll look into L-Theanine.  

This is a very serious problem that I have had since I was a kid and I have just begun to put the pieces together that it's a brain chemistry issue.  But the excess bad food is starting to really hurt my body so I have to keep searching and working to figure this out.

thanks.. more input would be great if anyone has any.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 5 - 44
de_nogent
Monday, May 31, 2010, 12:48am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Hunter
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 230
Gender: Male
Location: Louisiana
Age: 32
BluesSinger,

You may want to try the Nerve Health Support Protocol.
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/index.htm

Also, watch your carbs and sugars. You may be experiencing spikes/dips in your blood sugar which can cause all kinds of unpleasant conditions, including depression.

You may be interested in a book that I plan on reading soon: "Gut and Psychology Syndrome." It explains how many common learning disabilities and mental illnesses can be influenced by diet.


Yey! My 100th post! How time flies...


BTD since 2004
GTD since 2009

Revision History (1 edits)
de_nogent  -  Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 4:06pm
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message AIM AIM Reply: 6 - 44
Lola
Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:06am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,350
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 58
stop the excess bad food asap!


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 7 - 44
VictoriousLiving
Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 12:30am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 172
Gender: Female
Location: Florida
Age: 29
Quoted from de_nogent
BluesSinger,

You may want to try the Nerve Health Support Protocol.
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/index.htm

Also, watch your carbs and sugars. You may be experiencing spikes/dips in your blood sugar which can cause all kinds of unpleasant conditions, including depression.

You may be interested in a book that I plan on reading soon: "The Gut and Psychology Syndrome." It explains how many common learning disabilities and mental illnesses can be influenced by diet.


Yey! My 100th post! How time flies...


I have this book and I take HCL with animal protein for digestion, because I have low stomach acid. The book explains that it is unnecessary to take many digestive enzymes. All most people need is a good probiotic ( I use Polyflora A ) and betain HCL.



RH Negative Explorer
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 8 - 44
Lola
Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 1:42am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,350
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 58
Meghan,
were you not a B before?
or I got you confused there......


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 9 - 44
de_nogent
Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 4:24pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Hunter
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 230
Gender: Male
Location: Louisiana
Age: 32
Meghan,

Probiotics are truly a life saver and can help with many diseases. Acidophilus really helped speed up my recovery from a recent sinus infection.


BluesSinger,

When I have a craving I try to stay away from sugar. However, dark chocolate is good in moderation. Green tea with honey is my new coffee. Instead of reaching for sugary snacks, you might want to try some higher quality carbs like nuts, sweet potato chips, or spelt pretzels (great with almond butter or a little chocolate) . Or maybe you could try something more savory/spicy like wasabi peas to help get you over the hump.


BTD since 2004
GTD since 2009
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message AIM AIM Reply: 10 - 44
ruthiegirl
Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 7:42pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI O+ Gatherer, Healing from Fibromyalgia
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 12,373
Gender: Female
Location: New York
Age: 42
When I used 5-HTP, I liked using it at night to help me sleep. But if you find you need it in the afternoons, then maybe you want to take it in the afternoon, or perhaps in the afternoon and again before bed.

Eating right does a whole lot for your body, but it can't do everything. Sometimes you just need a little extra help, especially when transitioning away from the wrong diet and healing from that.

Dr. D. doesn't recomened 5-HTP for Os because, in general, Os don't need a seratonin boost. We usually need a dopamine boost instead. You personally have tried the dopamine boosts, and they don't help. IT sounds like you, personally, at the present time, need more seratonin. I suggest that you give the 5-HTP a try, and see if it helps.

I'd go ahead and buy a bottle of the 5-HTP and take it. IF you feel worse or see no effects, stop taking it. If it helps then keep taking the bottle until it's finished.Then stop taking it for a day or so to see if you still need it. If you do, buy another bottle and try again. Repeat the "see if I still need this supplement" process every month or two.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 11 - 44
BluesSinger
Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 8:10pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Following HUNTER
Ee Dan
Posts: 828
Gender: Female
Location: Grants Pass, OR
Age: 56
Hi All.. well it's easy to tell the alcoholic to stop drinking and right away, if you do not have a tendency toward addiction which Lola.. you must not!    

But to tell a sugar addict to stop eating junk and right away does not work.  the cravings become unbearable and before you know it you are out the door and down the road like a robot buying sugary items and eating them all at once.  it's a disease and any addict needs tools to help them recover from what their brain is crying for which is to simply feel good.

Thanks all for your comments so far.  I am beginning to think I am my own scientific experiment here!  ha..

I am on my 4th day away from sugar right now and fingers are crossed.  Tonight I'll try 5-HTP for the first time.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 12 - 44
ABJoe
Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 8:22pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

35% Nomad or Teacher - health history dependent
Sun Beh Nim
Moderator
Posts: 8,296
Gender: Male
Location: Orange County, CA, USA
Age: 51
Quoted from BluesSinger
But to tell a sugar addict to stop eating junk and right away does not work.  the cravings become unbearable and before you know it you are out the door and down the road like a robot buying sugary items and eating them all at once.  

I know that I had to learn what component of the craved food I needed, find that nutrient or what in a new food and eat that instead...

I had a friend that was alcoholic and he would never say he was cured, he was just waiting a while for his next drink.  He said that the cravings never stopped, but that he was able to continue waiting a while for his next drink...  I think if he had eaten right, his cravings would have quit, as mine have...

Much success with your eating right...


RH-, ISTJ
Wonderful Wife = A+ Teacher; Darling Daughter = A- SWAMI Explorer
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 13 - 44
Lola
Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 12:49am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,350
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 58
BS,
if you only knew what I went through.......glad it s over and am cured!!

like Joe said.....eat right, no more suffering


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!

Revision History (1 edits)
Lola  -  Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 1:00am
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 14 - 44
ruthiegirl
Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 10:26pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI O+ Gatherer, Healing from Fibromyalgia
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 12,373
Gender: Female
Location: New York
Age: 42
How are you feeling today BluesSinger?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 15 - 44
KellyAnn
Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:28pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Winter: Hidden potential.
Posts: 7
Have you tried an alternative sweetener?  I also have some issues with depression (I live in the NW where lack of sunlight can be an issue).  Chocolate usually helps me too.  I now make myself some hot cocoa by using a spoonful of cocoa (like you use in baking) and some agave syrup.  Both of these are beneficials for me according to swami and I believe they are neutral for Type O Secreters.  It really works for my chocolate cravings and its my favorite treat right now.  The cocoa is not creamy, but still very satisfying!  

I hope you find something that works for you  
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 16 - 44
BluesSinger
Friday, June 11, 2010, 2:44pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Following HUNTER
Ee Dan
Posts: 828
Gender: Female
Location: Grants Pass, OR
Age: 56
Hi All..

I found a 5-HTP that does not have that 'seed' that o's are lectin sensitive to:  here's the site:

http://www.webnat.com/learning/bloodtype/BloodTypeTendencies.asp

and I'm glad you are cured Lola.  Yes i agree eating right has helped me in the past for a time and then my depression comes back full on after not being on sugar for awhile and then i find myself in a binge.  so thank god you got cured just by eating right.  i find that i have needed a little extra assistance and this 5htp is doing the trick.  
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 17 - 44
battle dwarf
Friday, June 11, 2010, 3:19pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI explorer
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,155
Gender: Female
Location: ARKANSAS
Age: 32
when i want/need that perk i found a raw chocolat square that really dose it. it's about one once and has an unbeleavably high orac value. it's better than any of the energy drinks i drank before bt. it's even better than b12, at lest for me. the company is called zocai and i love their power squares, they make both a powdered drink (it's exspensive and i have not looked into what is in it yet) and a protean bar(unfortunatly full of soy). if not for the soy in the bar it was remarkably chemacal free, but i digress, i keep the little chocolate squares with me for work and they make me feel like people look when they take zoloft. and they save me from crashing if i have to wait a long time for my break.


nothing to do? who has that!?
swami made me an explorer!
married to an AB+ mom to a B+ boy
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 18 - 44
BluesSinger
Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:03pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Following HUNTER
Ee Dan
Posts: 828
Gender: Female
Location: Grants Pass, OR
Age: 56
Well, the 5Htp is becoming my miracle.  I have never felt better in my life.  I am craving free and actually happy and calm.  Something I have never felt.  

Of course this goes hand in hand with fairly close adhearence to my Swami.

I take a very small dosage because I have found over the years that large dosages of anything don't work for me and throw me out of whack.... very sensitive brain chemisty to say the least.

Sadly battle dwarf, chocolate has never worked for me.  I've tried and tried and tried.  

But this is doing the trick after 40 years of addiction process trying to make my brain happy.  

I've actually also lost some lbs.  Started at 217 and now i'm 211.  I'm not trying but i'm not overeating and craving either.  

Also I just got the book "Boost Your Serotonin Levels - 5Htp by Michael Murray, N.D.

Very informative.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 19 - 44
ABJoe
Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:29pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

35% Nomad or Teacher - health history dependent
Sun Beh Nim
Moderator
Posts: 8,296
Gender: Male
Location: Orange County, CA, USA
Age: 51
I'm glad you found an answer that helps.  


RH-, ISTJ
Wonderful Wife = A+ Teacher; Darling Daughter = A- SWAMI Explorer
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 20 - 44
ruthiegirl
Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:33pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI O+ Gatherer, Healing from Fibromyalgia
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 12,373
Gender: Female
Location: New York
Age: 42
I'm so glad you found something that works so well for you! I'm curious now, if you need to continue taking the 5-HTP longterm, or if you only needed it to help you transition away from your bad diet. Sometimes it's just so hard to be compliant when you feel awful, and anything that can help you get past those first days is wonderful! But now that you've been eating right for a few weeks, I wonder if you still need the seratonin boost from a pill.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 21 - 44
deblynn3
Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:43pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT2 Gatherer rh+;Prop-Taster
Ee Dan
Posts: 2,617
Gender: Female
Location: Arkansas
Age: 57
It will be interesting to see how long you will need the 5-HtP after you've been one your BTD for awhile.
keep us posted.


Swami, 100% me..
Logged Online
Private Message Private message Reply: 22 - 44
Lola
Thursday, July 1, 2010, 12:36am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,350
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 58
only Murray doesn t take BT physiology and individuality into account when giving advice.
that to me is something to consider, always


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 23 - 44
BluesSinger
Thursday, July 1, 2010, 3:01pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Following HUNTER
Ee Dan
Posts: 828
Gender: Female
Location: Grants Pass, OR
Age: 56
Quoted from Lola
only Murray doesn t take BT physiology and individuality into account when giving advice.
that to me is something to consider, always


I agree Lola.  I have learned to take what I need with my Swami looking over my shoulder!  ha..
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 24 - 44
RAW0+
Sunday, September 23, 2012, 12:25pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

43% Gatherer SWAMI NN Le(a-b+) PROP-T
Early Spring: Awareness, desire.
Posts: 22
Gender: Male
Location: Poland
Age: 46
Have changed opinion Adamo abou 5-htp today? Anybody knows?


DNA mt/Haplo X2b4; Y-chrom/R1a1(M207);ESTJ
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 25 - 44
ruthiegirl
Sunday, September 23, 2012, 1:49pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI O+ Gatherer, Healing from Fibromyalgia
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 12,373
Gender: Female
Location: New York
Age: 42
He hasn't published anything new about 5-HTP in several years. His ongoing research is in other areas.

It's in the "stress protocol" for non-secretors of all types. I've been using it for years and it helps me keep my depression under control (along with eating enough beneficials, avoiding the avoids, and exercising.) He doesn't recommend it for secretors.

It's certainly possible for an individual secretor to need the seratonin boost and to do well with this supplement, at least in the short term. But it shouldn't be the first supplement to reach for, as others are more likely to be helpful to an O secretor.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 26 - 44
Goldie
Sunday, September 23, 2012, 2:11pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

All Gatherer -70 Scorp/Sag on BTD/GENO 17 year
Sam Dan
Posts: 5,928
Gender: Female
Location: East Coast
Quoted Text
Hello Everyone I'm new here.  I have a friend who told me about this forum and told me to set up my profile info. which I will do soon.  Welcome and I am glad you are here.. My experience was interesting ..

I am an O Secretor and am following the Swami for my type.  

Since I am trying to stay away from sugar, a life long addiction, I am having not only withdrawal symptoms but I have also found that I have used sugar for 40 years of my life to deal with low level depression. YES I did the same thing.. and yes it works just as you are saying.. but

I have tested this out a number of times, not because I want to but because my darkness comes in and as soon as I eat a sugary and sometimes chocolate item, within a few minutes I am ok again.  The darkness is lifted and I feel almost immediately better.  YES YOU have observed correctly.. I think it is the reason why so many eat sugary stuff??? YES!

I have done MUCH reading on the topic and found a very good book "The Hidden Addiction and How to Break Free"  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316704717/ref=oss_product I will get that book if you report on it..

This really hit home with what I feel has been going on with me.  IT IS WONDERFUL when you find on answer.. Dr D's books did the same for me.. but often the further explanation was missing.. or his books would need to be 3 times bigger..

So I have been researching further and I'm going to try 5-HTTP and I found one that does not contain that seed that O's are supposed to not ingest at:  http://www.webnat.com/proddetail.asp?prod=2806-4  I have taken 5HTP and loved it.. for just the reason you are mentioning.. as female I was at a low point in my life where I felt spineless.. I wanted to regain some inner strength and it helped.. I did not take it long but I would take one every so often even now..

So I'm wondering the best way to take it for O's specifically i.e. morning or night or afternoon or when to help me survive my dark depressions that hit me mostly in the afternoons and especially hard if I am working on withdrawing from sugar.  It did not matter.then and now.. I take it when you have a neeed...  

BUT here is the other real thing... coming back to Dr D.. He recently sold me on Trehalose complex.. there is much written here.. buy it from Nap... money well spent..
others have felt uplifted and energized also..

It is supposed to scrub bad stuff out of the brain.. well I took it and sooon after found that I had fewer headaches.. then I found that oh incidentally I felt UPLIFTED and found a space, wall or a break, between me and trouble that would aggravate me.. This over time.. was interesting, as it gave me PAUSE to FIGURE out that I was getting headaches because of tightening of my neck muscles when I was doing circular thinking- self inflicted stress!.. Then after that I went on a search for why muscles contract and create trigger points and pain and found that Magnesium helped..

This is a long answer.. but I have had sugar addiction.. yes it helpers but it also rebounds.. as by the way any pill will do.. so good luck on all you will experience.. (sorry I did not read the previous responses.. )  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 27 - 44
BluesSinger
Sunday, September 23, 2012, 4:52pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Following HUNTER
Ee Dan
Posts: 828
Gender: Female
Location: Grants Pass, OR
Age: 56
This has been helping me recently - ALOT!

http://www.jigsawhealth.com/resources/amino-acid-therapy
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 28 - 44
Goldie
Monday, September 24, 2012, 2:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

All Gatherer -70 Scorp/Sag on BTD/GENO 17 year
Sam Dan
Posts: 5,928
Gender: Female
Location: East Coast
How????


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 29 - 44
BluesSinger
Monday, September 24, 2012, 4:00pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Following HUNTER
Ee Dan
Posts: 828
Gender: Female
Location: Grants Pass, OR
Age: 56
Quoted from Goldie
How????


stops my cravings for junk.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 30 - 44
ABJoe
Monday, September 24, 2012, 4:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

35% Nomad or Teacher - health history dependent
Sun Beh Nim
Moderator
Posts: 8,296
Gender: Male
Location: Orange County, CA, USA
Age: 51
Quoted from BluesSinger
This has been helping me recently - ALOT!

http://www.jigsawhealth.com/resources/amino-acid-therapy

The challenge for you is to learn what you are short of that makes you have the cravings and find ways to fill that need in your system with beneficial foods...


RH-, ISTJ
Wonderful Wife = A+ Teacher; Darling Daughter = A- SWAMI Explorer
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 31 - 44
ruthiegirl
Monday, September 24, 2012, 5:31pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI O+ Gatherer, Healing from Fibromyalgia
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 12,373
Gender: Female
Location: New York
Age: 42
Yes, that's the ideal- to get all our nutrients from foods and not need supplements at all. But sometimes foods aren't enough. Some people find supplements helpful in the short term, to speed up healing that could have been accomplished through diet alone. In other cases, supplements promote healing that diet alone couldn't do, or are needed long-term to correct problems that arose from years of eating the wrong things.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 32 - 44
RAW0+
Monday, September 24, 2012, 5:34pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

43% Gatherer SWAMI NN Le(a-b+) PROP-T
Early Spring: Awareness, desire.
Posts: 22
Gender: Male
Location: Poland
Age: 46
I discovered one thing. For your happiness you need 2 neurotransmitters: during the day from the morning: Dopamine- with Tyrosine in food and evening, night: Serotonin- with Tryptophan and carbohydrates in food. I'm on zero carb so I take late morning L-Tyrosine (better) or L-Phenylalanine and evening 5-HTP.


DNA mt/Haplo X2b4; Y-chrom/R1a1(M207);ESTJ
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 33 - 44
BluesSinger
Monday, September 24, 2012, 6:41pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Following HUNTER
Ee Dan
Posts: 828
Gender: Female
Location: Grants Pass, OR
Age: 56
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Yes, that's the ideal- to get all our nutrients from foods and not need supplements at all. But sometimes foods aren't enough. Some people find supplements helpful in the short term, to speed up healing that could have been accomplished through diet alone. In other cases, supplements promote healing that diet alone couldn't do, or are needed long-term to correct problems that arose from years of eating the wrong things.


this is absolutely right on.  I had 3 months of almost 100% compliance once.  But I felt low level depressed... dull.. soon i was back into food that my brain wanted to feel good.  
So to discover these amino's and how they are helping me re-group and get back on track is a miracle.

If you read the mood cure or the diet cure you will understand.  yes food is the healer but for those of us shorted of good brain chemistry by inheritance or by damaging ourselves with food so badly that our brain chemistry is ping ponging without what it needs... and thus reaching for the bad instead of the good out of desperation to feel good.. amino's play a crucial roll back to sanity.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 34 - 44
misspudding
Wednesday, June 11, 2014, 11:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh-, MTHFR, SWAMI GT4 Explorer, ENTP rationalist
Ee Dan
Posts: 961
Gender: Female
Location: Seattle
Age: 37
Resurrecting this thread because my son's ND wants to put him on a gut motility enhancer that has 5-HTP, ginger, and a few other ingredients that don't seem awful.

Any recent experience with this stuff for the O nonnies? I'm not sure I'm a nonnie, but hubby fits description to a T, and my son as well.

Thanks!


Me: Celiac type gut problems; seizure disorder; MTHFR  DS: O negative; "atypical" IBD - SWAMI 44% Explorer
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 35 - 44
Goldie
Thursday, June 12, 2014, 12:37am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

All Gatherer -70 Scorp/Sag on BTD/GENO 17 year
Sam Dan
Posts: 5,928
Gender: Female
Location: East Coast
I like 5HTP .. I took it, it worked fast and after a while I stopped taking it every other day then not at all.. IT built backbone in me.. enough to make it back from the blues..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 36 - 44
misspudding
Thursday, June 12, 2014, 1:17am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh-, MTHFR, SWAMI GT4 Explorer, ENTP rationalist
Ee Dan
Posts: 961
Gender: Female
Location: Seattle
Age: 37
Awesome. I know a lot of gut disorders are treated with SSRIs, so it seems it would work similarly, without as many of the side effects.


Me: Celiac type gut problems; seizure disorder; MTHFR  DS: O negative; "atypical" IBD - SWAMI 44% Explorer
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 37 - 44
Goldie
Thursday, June 12, 2014, 1:51pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

All Gatherer -70 Scorp/Sag on BTD/GENO 17 year
Sam Dan
Posts: 5,928
Gender: Female
Location: East Coast
Quoted Text
Awesome. I know a lot of gut disorders are treated with SSRIs, so it seems it would work similarly, without as many of the side effects.


????  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 38 - 44
ruthiegirl
Thursday, June 12, 2014, 2:16pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI O+ Gatherer, Healing from Fibromyalgia
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 12,373
Gender: Female
Location: New York
Age: 42
SSRIs work by slowly raising serotonin levels in the brain- the body makes it, and these drugs keep it from being broken down as quickly. Over the course of a few weeks, serotonin levels rise. 5-HTP also raises serotonin by giving the body the  building blocks to make more. It can raise serotonin levels within hours, not weeks, and with fewer side effects.

I've been taking 5-HTP for years. I've tried to cut down on the dose, and then depression returns. For whatever reason, my body isn't making enough serotonin and I seem to need this as a supplement for the long term. In The Mood cure Julia Ross talks about some patients only needing 5-HTP or other amino acids for a few weeks or months, and the benefits remaining. That has not been my personal experience.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 39 - 44
misspudding
Thursday, June 12, 2014, 8:14pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh-, MTHFR, SWAMI GT4 Explorer, ENTP rationalist
Ee Dan
Posts: 961
Gender: Female
Location: Seattle
Age: 37
Goldie, here's some info on SSRIs and IBS:

http://ibs.about.com/od/medicationforibs/a/Antidepressants-For-IBS.htm

I've never been on them, but I've heard people do take them for gut stuff.


Me: Celiac type gut problems; seizure disorder; MTHFR  DS: O negative; "atypical" IBD - SWAMI 44% Explorer
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 40 - 44
Amazone I.
Sunday, June 15, 2014, 12:23pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh+ GT 4...E/..INTJ ....prop.=non-taster..
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 16,375
Gender: Female
Location: CH-Benglen Kanton Z�rich
Age: 57
btw why not using l'tryptophane or even the combination of MAP and fatty acids or sam-e ...
here bt matters really I often observed also that this isn't taken serious by other therapists !!! What a pity - wasted time and money !!! The same for hypericinum.... no doubt... it doesn't work neither for O's- AB's nor B's.... only A's can have a profit here ... ....


MIfHI K-174
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 41 - 44
misspudding
Tuesday, June 17, 2014, 8:14pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh-, MTHFR, SWAMI GT4 Explorer, ENTP rationalist
Ee Dan
Posts: 961
Gender: Female
Location: Seattle
Age: 37
This is really interesting.

So, a theory on why everyone with a MTHFR polymorphism seems to have gut problems and depression is that we don't get enough folate to produce enough neurotransmitters. As we all know, the gut is the second brain. So if you don't produce enough, say, serotonin, you get sluggish bowels that allow bad critters to grow, thus causing constipation or diarrhea.

My son just started a supplement with 5-htp. I started it with him, since we're both MTHFR-ers. So far, he has a lot less gas/bloating and I have noticed my poops are less urgent. The supp has an activated version of b6. We're also taking magnesium malate and methyl b12.

I don't want to call this a cure, but so far, so good. Really neat!


Me: Celiac type gut problems; seizure disorder; MTHFR  DS: O negative; "atypical" IBD - SWAMI 44% Explorer
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 42 - 44
jayneeo
Wednesday, June 18, 2014, 2:54am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Gatherer
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 6,447
Gender: Female
Location: San Jose, CA
Age: 67
right on, miss pudding…I'm much better with my regimen of activated B-6 and B-12 and folate.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 43 - 44
misspudding
Friday, June 20, 2014, 10:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh-, MTHFR, SWAMI GT4 Explorer, ENTP rationalist
Ee Dan
Posts: 961
Gender: Female
Location: Seattle
Age: 37
Well, maybe I spoke too soon!

After two days on the 5-htp, I started getting migraines. My son has a healthier liver (at least, I think so, as he's not hitting the coffee and the red wine on a regular basis...), so he seems fine on it. He got some minor headaches the first couple of days but is fine now. Our naturopath told us to cut back on the dose with the headaches and see what happens. But then his poops slowed way down. Waiting to see what the ND says!

I guess it's like anything else. When you start tinkering with the body's neurotransmitters, sometimes weird stuff happens! Sheesh!


Me: Celiac type gut problems; seizure disorder; MTHFR  DS: O negative; "atypical" IBD - SWAMI 44% Explorer
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 44 - 44
2 Pages 1 2 All Recommend Thread
Print Print Thread


Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread