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Sunday, September 23, 2012, 12:25pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Have changed opinion Adamo abou 5-htp today? Anybody knows?


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He hasn't published anything new about 5-HTP in several years. His ongoing research is in other areas.

It's in the "stress protocol" for non-secretors of all types. I've been using it for years and it helps me keep my depression under control (along with eating enough beneficials, avoiding the avoids, and exercising.) He doesn't recommend it for secretors.

It's certainly possible for an individual secretor to need the seratonin boost and to do well with this supplement, at least in the short term. But it shouldn't be the first supplement to reach for, as others are more likely to be helpful to an O secretor.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Hello Everyone I'm new here.  I have a friend who told me about this forum and told me to set up my profile info. which I will do soon.  Welcome and I am glad you are here.. My experience was interesting ..

I am an O Secretor and am following the Swami for my type.  

Since I am trying to stay away from sugar, a life long addiction, I am having not only withdrawal symptoms but I have also found that I have used sugar for 40 years of my life to deal with low level depression. YES I did the same thing.. and yes it works just as you are saying.. but

I have tested this out a number of times, not because I want to but because my darkness comes in and as soon as I eat a sugary and sometimes chocolate item, within a few minutes I am ok again.  The darkness is lifted and I feel almost immediately better.  YES YOU have observed correctly.. I think it is the reason why so many eat sugary stuff??? YES!

I have done MUCH reading on the topic and found a very good book "The Hidden Addiction and How to Break Free"  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316704717/ref=oss_product I will get that book if you report on it..

This really hit home with what I feel has been going on with me.  IT IS WONDERFUL when you find on answer.. Dr D's books did the same for me.. but often the further explanation was missing.. or his books would need to be 3 times bigger..

So I have been researching further and I'm going to try 5-HTTP and I found one that does not contain that seed that O's are supposed to not ingest at:  http://www.webnat.com/proddetail.asp?prod=2806-4  I have taken 5HTP and loved it.. for just the reason you are mentioning.. as female I was at a low point in my life where I felt spineless.. I wanted to regain some inner strength and it helped.. I did not take it long but I would take one every so often even now..

So I'm wondering the best way to take it for O's specifically i.e. morning or night or afternoon or when to help me survive my dark depressions that hit me mostly in the afternoons and especially hard if I am working on withdrawing from sugar.  It did not matter.then and now.. I take it when you have a neeed...  

BUT here is the other real thing... coming back to Dr D.. He recently sold me on Trehalose complex.. there is much written here.. buy it from Nap... money well spent..
others have felt uplifted and energized also..

It is supposed to scrub bad stuff out of the brain.. well I took it and sooon after found that I had fewer headaches.. then I found that oh incidentally I felt UPLIFTED and found a space, wall or a break, between me and trouble that would aggravate me.. This over time.. was interesting, as it gave me PAUSE to FIGURE out that I was getting headaches because of tightening of my neck muscles when I was doing circular thinking- self inflicted stress!.. Then after that I went on a search for why muscles contract and create trigger points and pain and found that Magnesium helped..

This is a long answer.. but I have had sugar addiction.. yes it helpers but it also rebounds.. as by the way any pill will do.. so good luck on all you will experience.. (sorry I did not read the previous responses.. )  


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This has been helping me recently - ALOT!

http://www.jigsawhealth.com/resources/amino-acid-therapy
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How????


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How????


stops my cravings for junk.
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This has been helping me recently - ALOT!

http://www.jigsawhealth.com/resources/amino-acid-therapy

The challenge for you is to learn what you are short of that makes you have the cravings and find ways to fill that need in your system with beneficial foods...


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Yes, that's the ideal- to get all our nutrients from foods and not need supplements at all. But sometimes foods aren't enough. Some people find supplements helpful in the short term, to speed up healing that could have been accomplished through diet alone. In other cases, supplements promote healing that diet alone couldn't do, or are needed long-term to correct problems that arose from years of eating the wrong things.


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I discovered one thing. For your happiness you need 2 neurotransmitters: during the day from the morning: Dopamine- with Tyrosine in food and evening, night: Serotonin- with Tryptophan and carbohydrates in food. I'm on zero carb so I take late morning L-Tyrosine (better) or L-Phenylalanine and evening 5-HTP.


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Yes, that's the ideal- to get all our nutrients from foods and not need supplements at all. But sometimes foods aren't enough. Some people find supplements helpful in the short term, to speed up healing that could have been accomplished through diet alone. In other cases, supplements promote healing that diet alone couldn't do, or are needed long-term to correct problems that arose from years of eating the wrong things.


this is absolutely right on.  I had 3 months of almost 100% compliance once.  But I felt low level depressed... dull.. soon i was back into food that my brain wanted to feel good.  
So to discover these amino's and how they are helping me re-group and get back on track is a miracle.

If you read the mood cure or the diet cure you will understand.  yes food is the healer but for those of us shorted of good brain chemistry by inheritance or by damaging ourselves with food so badly that our brain chemistry is ping ponging without what it needs... and thus reaching for the bad instead of the good out of desperation to feel good.. amino's play a crucial roll back to sanity.
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Resurrecting this thread because my son's ND wants to put him on a gut motility enhancer that has 5-HTP, ginger, and a few other ingredients that don't seem awful.

Any recent experience with this stuff for the O nonnies? I'm not sure I'm a nonnie, but hubby fits description to a T, and my son as well.

Thanks!


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I like 5HTP .. I took it, it worked fast and after a while I stopped taking it every other day then not at all.. IT built backbone in me.. enough to make it back from the blues..


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Awesome. I know a lot of gut disorders are treated with SSRIs, so it seems it would work similarly, without as many of the side effects.


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Awesome. I know a lot of gut disorders are treated with SSRIs, so it seems it would work similarly, without as many of the side effects.


????  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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SSRIs work by slowly raising serotonin levels in the brain- the body makes it, and these drugs keep it from being broken down as quickly. Over the course of a few weeks, serotonin levels rise. 5-HTP also raises serotonin by giving the body the  building blocks to make more. It can raise serotonin levels within hours, not weeks, and with fewer side effects.

I've been taking 5-HTP for years. I've tried to cut down on the dose, and then depression returns. For whatever reason, my body isn't making enough serotonin and I seem to need this as a supplement for the long term. In The Mood cure Julia Ross talks about some patients only needing 5-HTP or other amino acids for a few weeks or months, and the benefits remaining. That has not been my personal experience.


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Goldie, here's some info on SSRIs and IBS:

http://ibs.about.com/od/medicationforibs/a/Antidepressants-For-IBS.htm

I've never been on them, but I've heard people do take them for gut stuff.


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btw why not using l'tryptophane or even the combination of MAP and fatty acids or sam-e ...
here bt matters really I often observed also that this isn't taken serious by other therapists !!! What a pity - wasted time and money !!! The same for hypericinum.... no doubt... it doesn't work neither for O's- AB's nor B's.... only A's can have a profit here ... ....


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This is really interesting.

So, a theory on why everyone with a MTHFR polymorphism seems to have gut problems and depression is that we don't get enough folate to produce enough neurotransmitters. As we all know, the gut is the second brain. So if you don't produce enough, say, serotonin, you get sluggish bowels that allow bad critters to grow, thus causing constipation or diarrhea.

My son just started a supplement with 5-htp. I started it with him, since we're both MTHFR-ers. So far, he has a lot less gas/bloating and I have noticed my poops are less urgent. The supp has an activated version of b6. We're also taking magnesium malate and methyl b12.

I don't want to call this a cure, but so far, so good. Really neat!


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right on, miss pudding…I'm much better with my regimen of activated B-6 and B-12 and folate.
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Well, maybe I spoke too soon!

After two days on the 5-htp, I started getting migraines. My son has a healthier liver (at least, I think so, as he's not hitting the coffee and the red wine on a regular basis...), so he seems fine on it. He got some minor headaches the first couple of days but is fine now. Our naturopath told us to cut back on the dose with the headaches and see what happens. But then his poops slowed way down. Waiting to see what the ND says!

I guess it's like anything else. When you start tinkering with the body's neurotransmitters, sometimes weird stuff happens! Sheesh!


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