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Rex
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Last evening I took one capsule of each ( a first-time dose to check it out).  During the night I felt itchy around my belly button & this AM I saw that that area is very red & I have hives on my neck.  I feel very itchy.  Any thoughts?
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My approach would be to stay off both until the rash disappears and then add them in one at a time.  My guess is that it's the Intrinsia causing the reaction.  Not because it's bad, but because it is very powerful.



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Andrea...what does "DA" stand for?  I need to get more current on this abreviated language.  These letter abreviations are too modern for me...but I'm willing to learn.  

Victoria...Ok, I'll try that.

I've never had an unpleasant reaction to a NAP product and I use many so I was saddened & frustrated because I really want to be able to take these supps.  
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Thanks Andrea.  

Victoria...you got me to thinking about the Intrinsa being "very powerful" so I re-read the label and it does say to take it "with food"...but, when I took it, it was in the evening when I eat my "smallest" meal.  When I re-try taking it I will take it with my "biggest" meal of the day which for me is lunch.  I hope & pray that this will do the trick so I can tolerate it because as I said, I want so very much to be able to take it.  I'm still very itchy...I hope it calms down soon.  I'll report back after I try again.  Thanks for the good tip...I hope you've provided me with the solution.
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I would also start out with a very small dose of the Intrinsia, maybe just one with a big meal, because it can have some strong cleansing effects.  

But at this point, why not take a little break from it and try the polyflora for a while.  Hopefully that will sit well with your body and actually fortify your intestinal health.  I have not heard of anyone having a reaction to polyflora, but I guess there could always be a first.  (I doubt it, though.)    I experience it to be very soothing and comforting and makes my body feel as if the work load has been lightened. Love that supplement!  

I was thinking also that maybe a good dose of Quercetin and bromelain for a couple of days might interrupt that rash reaction.



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Victoria...thanks a million for your help...I will try all your suggestions.  I was even thinking that I'd break the capsule & try only half the capsule dose for the first few times until I see that it's well tolerated.  Wish me luck.
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I open the caps and sprinkle intrinsa on my salad!
love the ghee taste it gives, with all the other combinations.


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Good luck and Radiant Health to ya, Rex!  



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I also have some questions about INTRINSA....

Its for fungus or candida problems, gut support, so I have read that anti-candida supps. must be avoid if people eat any type of grains or fruits ???????? because it will increase candida problems......true??????

Lola it's smell horrible, with salad


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I still have the rash & was awakened by the itch a few times during the night.  I did resort to taking a Benedril capsule at 2 A.M. and finally fell asleep until 5:30 A.M. when I just stayed up. The rash seems a little less red this morning...I hope tonight will be better.  How long do you think it will take for my body to get rid of the Intrinsa so I can try again?  
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grains and fruits should be minimal when treating a candida condition in the first place.


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Lola what about grains and fruits SF or Diamond, that's my question????
May a people without  Candida Condition (me) take Intrinsa just for health gut???? I like guee smell but Intrinsa


Rex, maybe it will better  start just with Poliflora O


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I don't know for sure, Rex.  I'm sorry you're suffering!

I think you're just going to have to be patient and not try and rush anything right now.  Take some deep, slow breaths and go for a walk, or do something else that you can just enjoy.  Don't worry.  This too shall pass.  

You could always call and talk with the NAP people at the BTD store.  Tell them what happened and see if they have heard of Intrinsia causing that reaction.  They might have some ideas for you.  Or, I suppose there is the chance that something else caused this reaction.  



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Raquel...thanks...As soon as I'm back to normal, I will start with the Polyflora and if that works out ok, I'll try the Intrinsa again.  I spoke to Lynn at NAP & she suggested that I break open the capsule & actually mix it in with my food or even blended into a nice thick smoothie.  Lola's idea is good too, to sprinkle it on a salad.  I'm still itchy...I'm trying to resist the urge to scratch.
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Quoted from Raquel
I also have some questions about INTRINSA....

Its for fungus or candida problems, gut support, so I have read that anti-candida supps. must be avoid if people eat any type of grains or fruits ???????? because it will increase candida problems......true??????


When you have candida, you should minimize grains and fruits as well as any foods that feed the yeast, as Lola said.  This does not mean to avoid the anti candida supplements.



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Thanks Victoria...NAP pretty much gave me the same advise that you just gave me.  Lynn said that because we are all individuals (which I accept) it could take a week or two or I could feel relief within 24-48 hours.  I'm hoping for the quicker healing....itch, itch, itch...oh, this is very uncomfortable!  I just hope for an unbroken night of sleep tonight...I'm so tired today, after last night, of getting up so many times.
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Rex, I agree with Victoria Quercitin may help you.....also some lavander oil mix with almond oil...lavander calm the rash....


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I also agree with Victoria.  Quercetin is awesome, I can't go without it.

I had a digestive reaction to Intrinsa for quite a while, but now my body loves it.  Getting candida out can be very uncomfortable, so if you think that is the issue, you may want to address candida with a few other approaches first, and work your way into it.

Could also be an allergy to an ingredient in the polyflora (or the Intrinsa, though it has fewer ingredients).  I'm allergic to rosemary, so I run into that pretty often in supplements. I'm allergic to polyvite O; I don't remember if it has rosemary in it, but I just take the genotype multivitamin instead.  I still have some trouble with Histonia, although I think it is good for me and I just need to work into it gradually and figure out the best time to take it.


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Quoted Text
what about grains and fruits SF or Diamond,


guidelines are guidelines, but not specific for determined health issues......those need to be addressed by each individual, while following their plan and healing consequently.


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Quoted from Raquel:
"May a people without  Candida Condition (me) take Intrinsa just for health gut???? I like guee smell but Intrinsa . . "
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Raquel,
You can certainly take Intrinsia.  It is not just for Candida issues, but all gut healing needs.  It heals the lining of the intestines and creates a healthy environment there.

If you don't have a lot of gut problems, you could just eat ghee.  



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Thanks Lola and Victoria, I have one Intrinsa at home that a friend never used, thats I want to know if I can take it for health  gut, despite of I dont have candida condition....(years ago I had a severe colitis)

I usually  take Poliflora AB, its great supp.


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Raquel...just be sure to take the Intrinsa "with food" as directed.  Don't make the same mistake that I did, to take it on a relatively empty stomach...I'm still itchy...not a great feeling at all.  I'm anxious to feel normal again so I can give it another try...this time "with food".   I can see the redness getting more dull but it's still there & is still quite itchy.  I had to get up last night at 2:00 A.M. to take a Benedril...finally did get some sleep...thank goodness.  
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Intrinsia really helped take care of my IBS and leaky gut.

Rex, do you have any Emu oil?  I love that stuff for any and all skin issues, and I would try it on your type of rash.



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Victoria, thanks for the suggestion...Emu oil...I'll try it...at this point I'm willing to try anything that might give me relief.

Melissa...it's encouraging to know that you have managed to overcome sensitivities to certain supps...this is the first time I have ever had any kind of adverse reaction to a NAP supp so it disturbed me...now I understand that even with a pure supp an adverse reaction can happen to anyone...now it's just a matter of trying to figure out how to coax my body into accepting it...I hope I can do that.  It's a little scarey to think that I might get this rash again but I'm hoping that if I take it "with food" next time it will be ok.  

Victoria...NAP told me that they have "not" had other reports of getting a rash from Intrinsa...so it might not be common to react this way...I'm sure if a lot of customers had this problem, NAP would have been notified.
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Rex, I am wondering about the idea of taking the polyflora and intrinsa together.  Intrinsa may cause a cleansing reaction, the polyflora would be to build the good bacteria.  In my way of thinking I would take them apart, not at the same time.  Like any anti fungal, I would take it separate of the probiotic, maybe by some hours or one at night, one in the am.  But I don't know that this is why the itching happened.  But if you did have some candida, and it was dying off, you could have a herxheimer reaction, where the dead yeasts can cause symptoms.   So all the comments of starting out on smaller amounts are helpful.  I hope you are feeling better soon!  Itchiness can be so annoying!
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paulam...thanks for presenting another good point about taking these supps separately, not together.  I'm just wondering if I should just consider this rash a "warning" to me to just NOT try these anymore.  My inclination is to try again but what if next time my reaction is even worse...very scarey to even think about...perhaps I should quit while I'm ahead & not press my luck.  The rash is all over my neck now & is extending downwards across my upper chest...I'm watching it spread & wonder is this how it brakes-up or is it getting worse?
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paulam...You taught me a new phrase, "herxheimer reaction", so being unfamiliar with this I looked it up & if this is what I'm experiencing that would be good because I'd be getting rid of toxins that I was not aware I had.  I sure hope that what I'm experiencing is only getting rid of toxins.  I also looked up candida and I don't fit that profile so my guess is that candida is not one of my problems.  Thanks for teaching me something new.
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Hi Rex,
Maybe not candida, but leaky gut as Victoria mentioned.  I believe that Hunters have gut issues, and you sound like you are having an allergic reaction for sure.  I agree that quercetin should help and maybe some stinging nettle/utica dioca caps.  But just to be sure, did you switch laundry detergents?  Is it more moldy in your environment (leaves, etc outside that are moldy?)  
When I was in my 20's I had a scary case of hives when I was living in a "basement" apartment.  I believed it was brought on by a combo of taking birth control pills and something I ate.  I stopped both things, but never really new what caused the condition.  I do know that they were the kind of hives that almost made it hard for me to breathe, and they were all over my trunk area.  I don't recall what I took to stop them, but it was frightening.  I had never had those before.  In my 30's, an alternative md suggested candida was one of my problems, and that is when I started to take probiotics and learn more about the gut.....leaky gut, etc.  Anyway I hope the rash is beginning to fade?
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I just don't see the Polyflora causing this.  I would be very surprised.

Maybe the Intrinsia, but like NAP, I've never heard of it before.  The worst is that some people really don't like the smell or taste of it.  

I hope you give the Polyflora a chance first and if there is no rash, keep taking it for a while before you even think about trying the Intrinsia again.  Blood type-specific probiotics are so very important to immune health, I think it's worth an effort on that supplement.

Quercetin, Rex!  

Hey, is there any other possible cause for this reaction?  Anything?



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sounds like something  wanted to get out when it saw the intrinsa and probiotics come down...it's like the bad guys leaving town when Clint Eastwood shows up to clean it up..you get a bid of havoc before the town goes back to being peaceful and safe...


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paulam...yes, the rash is finally beginning to fade but it's still "there"...very disconcerting...taking longer than I thought to heal.  I'm sorry about your past scarey experience with hives...sounds like you weren't having a nice time of it at all.  My laundry detergent is the same as usual & no unusual mold here that I can sense.

Victoria...no, I can't think of anything else that could have caused this.  I put the Polyflora & Intrinsa away for now and will see about trying it after I'm all healed...way after!  I just want to go back to the way it was when everything was good.

mikeo...I love Clint Eastwood...great analogy.
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Victoria...when I am brave enough to try the Polyflora my plan is to blend half of one capsule into my smoothie that I have every mid-morning...does that sound like a good plan?  My smoothie consists of pineapple juice, flaxseed meal, ARA6, cod liver oil, Biosil and protein powder. It's very thick so I figure it will serve to coat my stomach & hopefully protect me from having another bad experience.  If that works out...I plan on doing the same with the Intrinsa.
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Sounds like a delish smoothie, Sweetie.

I have no idea what the effect of food is on the Polyflora.  I have always taken it on an empty stomach.  Could be that it's just fine and will still work well.  Lola might know, or it might take another call to NAP.



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Doesn't the Polyflora O have brewer's yeast? wwbailey found out that he has an allergy to that. I suspect I do as well (and to all yeast).
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when you know you are allergic to something, you definitely don t take it!

that said, I take polyflora with live cell first thing in the morning on an empty stomach followed by a substantial amount of liquid!

http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2006/03/21/polyflora-probiotics?blog=26
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I have battled with IBS most of my life, and my digestive system is definitely my weak link.  I have tried countless brands of probiotics over the years, but when I used Polyflora B for the first time, my dear little gut breathed a sigh of relief!  

The stress eased up quickly as I used it daily.  I have no yeast allergies, just major gratitude for the way this product worked for me!



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Thank you so much to all who have given me such wonderful direction regarding my troublesome reaction.  I have read all the posts & will consider all the alternatives.  Still itchy this morning...this is sure taking a long time to correct itself.  
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Rex, Quercitin is also in DETOX protocol,  If I were you just take Poliflora and Quercitin.

I took Intrinsa (with food at lunch) and no bad reaction.  I take Poliflora 10 min before breakfast.

I also have read about "herxheimer reaction" when people take anticandida supps.




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The Healing Crisis
AKA: The Cleansing Reaction, The Detox Reaction, and The Herxheimer Reaction
What is it?
Also known as the "Herxheimer Reaction", this reaction occurs when the body tries to eliminate toxins at a faster rate than they can be properly disposed of. The more toxic one's bodily systems are, the more severe the detoxification, or healing crisis. It is characterized by a temporary increase in symptoms during the cleansing or detox process which may be mild or severe. You may feel worse and therefore conclude that the treatment is not working. But these reactions are instead signs that the treatment is working and that your body is going through the process of cleaning itself of impurities, toxins and imbalances.
Such reactions are temporary and can occur immediately -- or within several days, or even several weeks, of a detox. Symptoms usually pass within 1-3 days, but on rare occasions can last several weeks. If you are suffering from a major illness, the symptoms you experience during the healing crisis may be identical to the disease itself. Sometimes discomfort during the healing crisis is of greater intensity than when you were developing the chronic disease. This may explain why there may be a brief flare-up in one's condition. Often the crisis will come after you feel your very best. Most people feel somewhat ill during the first few days of a cleanse because it is at that point that your body dumps toxins into the blood stream for elimination. With a more serious condition there may be many small crises to go through before the final one is possible. In any case, a cleansing & purifying process is underway, and stored wastes are in a free-flowing state.
Cause:
The healing crisis is the result of every body-system, in concert, working to eliminate waste products through all elimination channels and set the stage for regeneration. The end result: old tissues are replaced with new. When any treatment or cleansing program causes a large scale die-off of bacteria, a significant amount of endotoxins (toxins within the bacteria itself) are released into the body. The more bacteria present, and the stronger their endotoxins, the stronger the cleansing reaction. When any treatment or detox causes the organs of the body (particularly the liver, which is a storehouse of drug and poison residues) to release their stored poisons and toxins, a cleansing reaction may occur. Any program, such as fasting, which causes a rapid breakdown of fat cells (which are a storehouse for toxins), can cause a healing crisis as toxins previously lodged in the fat cells are released into the blood stream.

Symptoms:
The healing crisis will usually bring about past conditions in whatever order the body is capable of handling at that time. People often forget the diseases or injuries they have had in the past, but are usually reminded during the crisis. There are a wide variety of reactions that may manifest during a healing crisis, the most common are:

Increased joint or muscle pain

Diarrhea
Extreme fatigue and/or its opposite, restlessness
Cramps
Headache (believed to be caused by buildup of toxins in the blood)
Aches, Pains
Arthritic flair up
Insomnia
Nausea
Sinus congestion
Fever (usually low grade) and/or chills
Frequent urination and/or urinary tract discharges
Drop in blood pressure
Skin eruptions, including: boils, hives, and rashes.
Cold or flu-like symptoms
Strong emotions: anger, despair, sadness, fear, etc.
Suppressed memories arise
Anxiety
Mood swings
New phobias develop

Easing Your Way Through the Healing Crisis:  
Drink plenty of fresh water (especially water), juices, and herbal teas to flush the body of toxins. Some professionals recommend distilled water as the best. Drink from 2 to 4 quarts(liters) per day. This will help flush the toxins out of your system and speed along the detoxification.


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Raquel...I take bromelain first thing in the AM...do you think I can take the Polyflora at the same time with the Bromelain?  I usually eat breakfast about one hour later.  

Chloe...wonderfully thorough explanation...thanks.
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You could take polyflora with your bromelain.    You could take quercetin at the same time also.



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Some professionals recommend distilled water as the best.


I prefer purified water .......with a pinch of your preference, sea or mineral salt added


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Rex, take a little break, then reintroduce one at a time with reduced frequency. Sounds like a die-off reaction.


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Dr. D...thank you for watching over me...I do rely on you...you've proven time & time again that you have earned my dedication (my DH is a follower too)...Question:  what is a die-off reaction?  
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I wonder the same: what is die-off reaction???


Rex, I take before breakfast Quercetin and Poliflora...remenber Dr.D "one at a time" maybe the last one would be INTRINSA...


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Raquel...I just Googled "die-off" reacation & as far as I can determine it is just another way of saying Herxheimer's Syndrome...which I learned about a few posts ago.  Thanks also to you for watching over me...you guys are "family" to me. Another term that I Googled is "leaky-gut"...which was also mentioned a few posts ago.  Very interesting stuff...I'm learning so much.  
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Ok...let the test begin...I had my first  very small dose of PolyFlora O this AM.  So far I feel fine.  I'll do this for a few days & then try the Intrinsa the same way...in very small doses, this time WITH FOOD...the first time I took the Intrinsa shortly before bed on a relatively empty stomach.  I never reacted poorly from taking any supp before so I had become careless about following the bottle directions...didn't think it was important...I learned my lesson the hard way but better late than never.  If I was experiencing die-off I'm glad because it meant that I really needed that detox...I don't want to keep any "junk" in my body...so getting rid of it is a good thing.
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Rex, just few days with Poliflora and then Intrinsa ????

maybe would be better 4 weeks or more only with Poliflora O, its the first time do you take Poliflora??? I have read about clean and detox candida, and some Naturopaths recommended
start slowly with some anti-candida supps.


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I'm with Rachael on that advice.  Take it slow.

Lola reminded me of THIS product from the NAP store.  It helps with detoxification:

Hepitaguard

    * Milk Thistle Standardized Extract contains an active constituent called Silybin, an antioxidant and free radical scavenger.
    * Bupleurum Root serves a wide variety of harmonizing activities, which may help to regulate body energy, and help maintain the normal process of discharging toxins safely out of the system.
    * Phyllanthus: Research shows that the herb Phyllanthus Leaf acts primarily on the liver and contains important bioflavonoids.
    * Turmeric: Long used by Ayurvedic practitioners, Turmeric inhibits the overproduction of polyamines, chemicals that act with insulin and encourage tissue growth.



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I can report SUCCESS...I have taken both supps & have had no adverse reaction.  I'm so happy.  Thank you for all your advise & guidance.  I appreciate your help in geting me through this.  If die-off was the cause then my candida must have died-off completely and I'm so pleased.  
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I'm happy that you're doing well, Rex!  Yay!!



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Great Rex,  


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I wish getting rid of candida happened so quickly. But for ME, and this is me only, so don't take this wrong.

I thought mine had been taken care of when the Dr. Started my care in February. Now understand this is probably what the VA labeled as Mild Chronic Faigue Syndrome, I have been dealing with this since I went to the Gulf (war-SAudi Arabia.) over 15 years now. Well I have been on three(3) courses of Diflucan and one (1) of Nizoral. If you system gets out of balance those little critters lay in wait until you are down then they come out and hit you hard. For me it is a combo of heavy exercise and the treatment and supportive supplements. That work.

Case in point about mid -October I finished my second course of Diflucan, also Decided to start working out at home because of gas costs, (Lack of really good equipment at home, but I have decent stuff and the knowledge how to use it). Well within Four days I got socked with a really bad sinus infection and they hit me with antibiotics-Amox 500 mg xTwice a day. Well with in 6 days I was back on the the yeastie beasties list, called my Dr. She said you need another round of diflucan. I have not been able to work out in three weeks and feel like c**p. I am working back up to walking and working out with the Wii, yes the machine thing. Mine is not for games for fitness only. My kids know this I will NOT buy games for it only fitness programs and maybe some educational stuff for them. They do have some really decent fitness programs too. Now the protocol is when taking an antibiotic take an antifungal with it. Also you should rotate what antifungals you use, so the beasties do not build resistance to them. Using natural in combo with pharmas helps this too. The beasties are less likely to build resistance to naturals than pharmas, not that they won't.

I am now back on the Gluten-free, corn-free, potato-free, and yeast-free diet. As far as, baker's yeast-it is just like those little critter inside. I think when Dr. D Responded to my posts he said something about Fucus plus or Urtica dionica sp?? For now this means the only sweets I will see are maybe some agave occasiaonally, stevia and some veg glycerine. ( ok maybe the occasional 70% dark chocolate square or two.) Unleavened breads without any of the items mentioned and avoiding gluten period. But there are lots of veggies (Low GI)and meats out there. But my Thanksgiving and CHRISTmas giving dinners all fall in line. I'll enjoy the holidays. I am hoping the Hunter 3 pack and the GT Multi-mineral and multi-vitamin. will do the trick. I will be ordering my Poly Flora O and Deflect O, both of which have been a saviors in cross contamination incidents, along with green tea and yerba mate. I will get the intrinsia and few other things. I know Dr. D supps work for me. About the only one I cannot not take is the Harmonia-because of Barley grass. Between the supplements and my hybridized hunter-O sec diet, my hope is that the the enhanced cell detox will take place.

I will be seeing a local ND who works closely with my candida Dr. and I will go from there.
I really appreciate Dr. D and respect all of his work. Having actually sit int he local medical school library and pulled up the research and read some of it myself. I do not how any thinking and respectable doctor can say it is junk science. The pyramid on the other hand is just matter of the majority of the board members opinion at the time they review it. This is a fact. If I could I would consult with Dr. D directly.  


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I am just starting to take Intrinsa, I took the first 2 caps this morning, without any reaction at all. Although I have been building to this over a long time which included

reducing grain for the last year, almost completely stopping grain fro a week or two, I have also been building slowly the amount of ployflora that i take.

whilst taking all these i have reduced the amount of fruit i eat to one portion a day first thing only. except twice a week when i have smoothie with Harmonia deluxe.

i saw early that someone had recommending taking quercetin and bromelain together - why not take scienca in combines them with turmeric too.


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I also notice that it does not say on the tin, so to speak that you should take with food. and in the protocol for yeast it advises that you take caprylic acid "away from food"

hence i started taking it first thing in the morning. and i shall take the next two caps shortly which is 3 hours after my dinner. then i shall go to bed a few hours later.


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