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What are your thoughts about Resveratrol...do you recommend that I take it?  Dr. D's Store does not sell it so it makes me think that he & Martha might not think too highly of it.  I welcome your thoughts.
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They used to sell it quite a while back...it may have changed to another name.

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I take this product daily.   I'm not a wine drinker and I want the benefits of
resveratrol

http://www.p-73.com/proddetail.asp?prod=014


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Thanks everyone...your thoughts are very much appreciated & helpful.
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Quoted from Chloe
I take this product daily.   I'm not a wine drinker and I want the benefits of
resveratrol
http://www.p-73.com/proddetail.asp?prod=014


wow, that looks like some potent stuff, only I wonder how much resveratrol is actually in it, since it says proprietary blend 1000 mgs. what I take only has 100 mg and is more expensive.  



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wow, that looks like some potent stuff, only I wonder how much resveratrol is actually in it, since it says proprietary blend 1000 mgs. what I take only has 100 mg and is more expensive.  


100 mg is a high dose of Reservatol. The linked to tablets would contain much less.

The 100O mg is for two tablets. So Each tablet would only be 500 mg.
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The whole grape- skin, seed, and sour pulp is used


This sounded to me like ground up raisins with seeds. So I assume about  half of the 500 grams is sugar and much of the other half is not reservatol.

In fact 100 mg of reservatol requires about 130 cups (around 50 pounds) of fresh grapes.  So if you simply remove water to dry out the grapes and do not do anything to concentrate the resevatol you are going to need a lot of tablets to get 100 mg of reservatrol.

If a pill contains 100 mg of reservatol in it, that pill  probably was not made from grapes since that would be too expensive.  Polygonum cuspidatum is commonly used instead.

Also one would need to drink more than 10 liters of wine or grape juice to get 100 mg of reservatol.  Far more than it is feasible to drink daily.



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I give that to my ebf as an antioxidant coz of the chemoth....resveratrol&opc....


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If a pill contains 100 mg of reservatol in it, that pill  probably was not made from grapes since that would be too expensive.  Polygonum cuspidatum is commonly used instead.


I confirmed w/ the company, their resveratrol is made from the seed, skin and vine of the grape. YAY!!

http://www.procapslabs.com

No fillers!!  



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I confirmed w/ the company, their resveratrol is made from the seed, skin and vine of the grape. YAY!!

http://www.procapslabs.com

No fillers!!  


They may claim their reservatrol is coming from grapes, but the label of the product from procapslabs states that the reservatrol in their product comes from: polygonum cuspidatum not from grapes.

Here is the label:
http://www.procapslabs.com/PCL/Images/PDF/Ref-300483.pdf

If their product was made from grapes they would need something  like 1500 pounds of grapes to make their smallest bottle which of supplements which sells for $15.90.

You cannot buy 1500 pounds to grapes to produce a product that you sell for $15.90 and still make a profit.



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They may claim their reservatrol is coming from grapes, but the label of the product from procapslabs states that the reservatrol in their product comes from: polygonum cuspidatum not from grapes.
Here is the label:
http://www.procapslabs.com/PCL/Images/PDF/Ref-300483.pdf


thanks for posting this link. I called them back and this rep assured me the last rep was wrong, that it is in fact derived from p/c not grapes. The bottle I have in my hand doesn't state anywhere from what source it's derived. I'll be sending an email re: that. It shows grapes and p/c on the label. I think that needs to be cleared up in the info as well. Marketing!!  



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I do not like any of those Andrew Lessman products.  He sells them on one of those
TV shopping networks.  Years ago I bought one of his supplements specific for hair,skin and nails.

After taking 750 pills for a whole a year, I saw absolutely no results at all.  He might be a marketing genius but he's not a supplement genius.  You're better off buying
NAP products.  At least we know they go with our blood types and Genotypes.


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I do not like any of those Andrew Lessman products.  He sells them on one of those TV shopping networks.  Years ago I bought one of his supplements specific for hair,skin and nails. After taking 750 pills for a whole a year, I saw absolutely no results at all.  He might be a marketing genius but he's not a supplement genius.  You're better off buying NAP products.  At least we know they go with our blood types and Genotypes.


I'm certainly not knocking NAP, but taking anything pre BTD is not a fair shot IMHO.  If you're eating foods that are working against you, no amount of supps is going to undo that. At least not for me it doesn't work that way.  



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Virtually all resveratrol is made from Polygonum species. As with most things, strength is not as important as length and consistency of use.


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I'm certainly not knocking NAP, but taking anything pre BTD is not a fair shot IMHO.  If you're eating foods that are working against you, no amount of supps is going to undo that. At least not for me it doesn't work that way.  


Did you assume I was taking this Lessman supplement pre BTD?  I wasn't.
I was on the type A diet.

I just personally had poor results with that brand of supplements.

It didn't grow hair, fingernails or improve my health in any way. A change
to NAP products (many of them) made a positive difference I could see and feel.

I personally feel if a person wants to choose a supplement protocol to compliment the diet they're on, their best bet is the NAP supplements.  That was the point I
was trying to make     

Sometimes other brands are so loaded with nutrients our bodies don't need that
they can't utilize the ones they're supposed to absorb. My experience has been
that I've taken too many unnecessary nutrients from poor quality sources and
sometimes "less is more".

Live and learn!






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"The similarity in structure between resveratrol and diethylstilbestrol (a synthetic estrogen) has prompted investigations into resveratrol's potential as a phytoestrogen (a plant compound that produces estrogen-like effects). However, these properties also stimulate the growth of human breast cancer cells [5]. This finding seems contrary to its other anticancer activities, and is a cause for concern"

taken from http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/resveratrol.html

anyone know anything about this? any truth to it? cause the last thing I need is more estrogen anything.            I know lots o' things we read on the internet are just opinions, so thought I'd ask.    According to this article, seems like most testing is done in rats and done in vitro.

Dr D, thanks for your comment.

Another interesting comment:

If the plant is not exposed to disease, there are lower concentrations of antioxidants. This is seen when comparing organic foods to those grown by modern mass-production methods.On big farms, plants are protected from pathogens through the use of bug spray, weed killer and other techniques. Because of that, the plant's natural defense mechanisms do not develop. So, you might say that the best food sources for resveratrol are organic grapes that are red or darker in color, because organic farming practices do not allow for the use of herbicides or other synthetic compounds. But still, the content would vary, as does the nutrient content of any fruit or vegetable.

Taken from:  http://ezinearticles.com/?Resveratrol-in-Foods-What-Are-the-Best-Sources?&id=2081163




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It appears to me that QuackWatch attacks nearly every treatment technique used in alternative medicine.


This is not say there the article you linked to is false.

So two comments:

1) One may want to avoid consuming a dose that is many times what one could get by eating food products high in reservatrol (peanuts, blueberries, and cranberries for instance) or drinking beverages containing reservatrol (grape juice, wine, ...). A glass of grape juice or wine might contain between 0.1 and 2 mg of reservatrol, rather than 100 mg.

2) If one has an estrogen related cancer (breast...), a family history of these cancers, or other diseases related to high estrogen levels one might want to avoid consuming reservatrol altogether.


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http://www.diet-and-health.net/Supplements/Resveratrol.html

Something else to read.

This woman, Melissa Q.B.McElderry, M.S., R.D who wrote, "Grape Expectations: The Resveratrol Story" wrote what was quoted in Quackwatch in 1999.

And Mrs. McElderry (I found online) is a dietitian who co-owns and operates several restaurants and threatre-pubs.

If you google her, you will see that this very same article was dumped almost
everywhere at the same time on the internet.  I'm wondering if someone paid her to
say something negative about a supplement in favor of drinking red wine instead.
Could it be the wine industry??

I just question the motives of the author of these so called facts and just because
a food or supplement is a photoestrogen, if it's beneficial for our blood type
or genotype, it's possible that it's protective rather than damaging.

Just like peanuts or soy for type A. Phytoestrogen foods can block estrogen receptor sites from damaging xenoestrogens.

Before you jump to conclusions about what Mrs. McElderry has said, look at
the whole picture.

I usually trust the research of The Life Extension Foundation. I've been a member for
over 20 years and they are on the cutting edge of research in both alternative
and conventional medicine...  Their researchers are Phds and MDs...not usually dieticians which is what Mrs. McElderry is.

http://www.lef.org/resveratrol/




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I got this from Vitamin World

Nature's Way Resveratrol Synergistic Formula 37.5 MG resveratrol

red wine extract-30%polyphenols (60 mg)  200mg
red wine powder  200mg
japanese knotweed 50%resveratrol (75mg)  150mg
grapeseed extract 95% polyphenols (95 mg)  100mg

Let me know what you think...Aani


Listen, this is what I think: I think we can't go around measuring our goodness by what we don't do, by what we deny ourselves, what we resist, and who we exclude. I think we've got to measure goodness by what we embrace, what we create, and who we include. Pere Henri (Chocolat)
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Chloe, re: Melissa Q.B.McElderry.....as soon as I saw she co-owns and operates several restaurants and threatre-pubs, well let's just say, that several eyebrows raised       
You do make a lot of good points. I just don't want to be consuming something that actually does raise estrogen levels. IF it does. Therein lies the question.          and thanks so much for posting that LEF link!  I'm def going to have a look around there.
+Aan, I wish I knew enough about resveratrol to give you an opinion, but I don't. Looks good to me, but that means nothing in the grand scheme of things



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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GCU/is_5_16/ai_56881798/pg_2?tag=content;col1

Here's page #2 of the article that identified Mrs. McElderry's qualifications.

She might receive financial benefits from selling wine...and might feel a threat from
resveratrol supplements being sold.


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My husband and I use a product by Genceutic Naturals called Wild Crafted Resveratrol.  The label states the 100 mg. resveratrol is from wild crafted Muscadine Grape.  It also says it is free of toxic chemical pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, synthetic fertilizers, sulfites and does not contain any genetically modified grapes.  

The only other ingredients listed is silicon dioxide and vegetarian capsule.  I buy it at The Vitamin Shoppe.
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I'll check that one out karen. I have a $5 coupon I need to use. The reason I bought the one I had is because they had marked that down . It was a few months before the pull date...Aani


Listen, this is what I think: I think we can't go around measuring our goodness by what we don't do, by what we deny ourselves, what we resist, and who we exclude. I think we've got to measure goodness by what we embrace, what we create, and who we include. Pere Henri (Chocolat)
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btw...this-one works fine as well www.life plus.com  and also http://www.natvd.com they do have non-expensive but good products as well  


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Overly simplistic to assume that all phytoestrogens enhance or stimulate breast cancer. Most phytoestrogens are so weak that if they manage to  displace regular estrogens from their receptor the net effect is an actual lowering of the overall estrogen stimulation in the body. Remember, the drug Tamoxifen is actually a weak estrogen itself; it just compete for the estrogen receptor with the real stuff.

Dietitians don't know c**p about plant medicines.

The Quackwatch guy is a moron.


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Quackwatch guy is a moron.

  ...Aani


Listen, this is what I think: I think we can't go around measuring our goodness by what we don't do, by what we deny ourselves, what we resist, and who we exclude. I think we've got to measure goodness by what we embrace, what we create, and who we include. Pere Henri (Chocolat)
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Dietitians don't know c**p about plant medicines.The Quackwatch guy is a moron.


hey Doc, why don't ya tell us how you really feel           You gave me a good chuckle. Thanks for that.          and also for the comments.  even if I do feel most of it is over my head, I still get the gist.  You're the man!!!     



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I brought this thread up because I just read an article about how resveratrol might be hard on ones liver. I understand it helpful for Gatherers, but since WH is a hunter (swami) I wonder if I should still be giving it to him.  I can't find it in the hunter sups, by nap.  Any helpful info or thoughts about this sub and hunter Geno.  


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Chloe - I have been a member of Life Extension Foundation for a year. It's great. Of all the health memberships I receive offers for, and all the various health newsletters I have received over the years, Life Extension Foundation and the information from Dr.D. are the two I'm most impressed with for my health and will follow.
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I brought this thread up because I just read an article about how resveratrol might be hard on ones liver. I understand it helpful for Gatherers, but since WH is a hunter (swami) I wonder if I should still be giving it to him.  I can't find it in the hunter sups, by nap.  Any helpful info or thoughts about this sub and hunter Geno.  


And I just now read one that said it is good for the liver! Maybe the one you read had the resveratrol mixed up with the alcohol in wine!?!  


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That is possible, The Geno Book had us both a gatherers, I remember the resveratrol was to speed up metabolism. My books are all out right now, so I can't remember if there as another reason to take it. Since swami list him as hunter I wonder if it's still good for him?


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Quoted from Dr. D
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The Quackwatch guy is a moron.


Actually, I think Dr. D. was being overly kind to the man.


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