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Hello All.  I'm new here but am not new to the blood type diet.  My mom and sister have really gotten better fighting different chronic things by following the diet.  I started to follow it last year, but I just did the blood test and I was mistaken about my blood type.  I "assumed" I was an A+ for some reason, going by memory.  It turns out I am an AB+  .  I just found that out last week.

Anyways, I have a problem that maybe some of you can help me with.  I could make this thing like 10 pages long, but I'll try and keep it short.

A year and a half ago I was diagnosed with H. Pylori and it wreaked havoc on me.  I lost 20 lbs in one month and I haven't been the same since. I took the test results to the Dr. and they gave me the Anti-biotics for it.  I did it that way because I was nauseous all the time.  I think it killed it but ever since then I've been up and down, fighting different parasites, low in vital chemicals, etc. etc.  I'll get to feeling semi normal and bam, something else hits me.  I'm 36 years old and I never was good at eating well to begin with.

Anyways, my ND and my nutritionist in my chiro's office both have found that I have H.Pylori back in my system by their bio feedback systems.  Each of them have a different type. Plus my stomach is telling me so too.

I need to know how to fight this best!!!!  I don't want to take the antibiotics because when I did, it seemed to take me a long time to recover from them.  I will if I get to the point of nauseau all the time, but at this point, I'm not.  I can still eat. Fairly well.  Although I think I'm losing a little weight again.  Which I don't think I can afford to lose too much more weight.

At present I am taking different things my Nutritionist and ND have prescribed:

STM supplement  by Chiro-Zyme consists of:
  folate, B12, papaya, marshmallow, slippery elm, mastic tree, stomach intrinsic factor, proprietary plant enzyme blend

HCL by Chiro-Zyme w/ meals  consists of:
   Beet, Pepsin, More enzymes

Amazon C-F by Raintree Nutrition consists of :
   Cat's claw, vine bark, amor seco leaf, fedegoso whole herb, mulaca, clavillia, simarouba bark, brazillian pepper tree bark, gervao leat and stem, bitter melon whole herb.

I also take Intramax 1/2 cap 2x a day for multi, some adrenal support, mineral support to help keep me basic, grapefruit seed extract for killing some kind of protozoa that comes up in my biofeedback, some calcium, testosterone (I'm low in), a psychosis Miasm homeopath and sometimes a thing called D-hist (for allergy's but has bromelain and quercitin in it.

I ordered Astragalus and lugustrum from the vitamin shoppe because I didn't see it on the 4yourtype website at the time, then my wife showed me the catalog.  I ordered this because the Blood type encyclopedia said those for the antibacterial protocol.

Is there anything else I should take?  Seems like a lot, yet some days I feel like I'm winning and some like I'm losing.  Not sure.  

Also, my nutritionist said to take Coconut Oil, unrefined, but she's not a blood type believer.  So I took it one day and stopped because I didn't want to take something I shouldn't.  What say ye on this?  It's supposed to kill H.Pylori.

About my diet.  I drink lemon water, water, ginger tea, and chammomile and that's it.  I did have an IZZE (carbonated fruit drink) this weekend but I haven't drank any in a week before that.  I eat a salad at lunch with either flax seed oil or olive oil for dressing.  Usually some kind of acceptable meat (Turkey and fish) and some nuts and cranberries.  I usually feel pretty good after lunch.  

Are their foods I should stay awasy from?  I know it feeds off proteins but I need some, don't I?

Anyways, sorry for the super long post.  If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears because I want to kill these little suckers and feel better.

THANK YOU!


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ABNoWay, wishing you a warm welcome to the forums!
I have been told once you have H Pylori , it will always show on tests. Of course if you can tell it's bothering you again,
then by all means you should kick it's rear to the curb! You are taking a lot of stuff. If it were me, I'd stick to the things to kill bacteria only right now. I have really bad adrenals and one doctor had me on so much stuff, I think it was counterproductive. That's what I thought of when I saw your list.
Do you have the BTD encyclopedia? If not, I will try to look up some things for you tomorrow re: fighting bacteria. It is just my suggestion, but using BTD suggested supplements to fight bacteria would be first and foremost in a regimine if it
were me.
No problem about the long post. In your case it's good to know all the facts.  
If coconut oil is an avoid for your blood type, I'd stay away from it. I started on some candida stuff that contained psyllium. Thought it'd be okay for just a while, but then a few days into it, I just couldn't do it anymore because I felt like I was doing more harm than good (psyllium is an avoid for O's). So I know what you mean.  
There will be some others along w/ much more info, soon.  



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ABNoWay,
Welcome!

Click on 'Member Center' at the top of this page, then on 'Avatar Settings' on the left, to select an avatar, to share your blood type with us.

Add information below your avatar setting, in the 'Profile Information' section, typing in the 'Personal Message box': (Rh+/-, secretor status; subtype A1 or A2, MN blood typing information)

Create a Signature that will appear at the bottom of every message you post.

Indicate your gender, age, and location in the 'Personal Information' section.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=ref
read the threads in the Reference Section.


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stick to your BTD as best you can, adding the beneficials.
you first need to cure your gut from all the damage done so far.
check the online protocols,
Anti-Bacterial Support Protocols
Antibiotic Support Protocols
Anti-Inflammation Support Protocols
Intestinal Health  Protocols
Yeast/ Fungus Health Support Protocols
all these come to mind.....
but you need to take it one step at a time.

have you heard of ghee and deflect?
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000177.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/nap/archives/00000026.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/store3/template2/deflect.htm
as well as polyflora and fucus?
https://www.dadamo.com/napharm/gk9.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/nap/archives/00000023.htm




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don t hate me, but wanted to give you more links for the journey you are about to take....
type AB basics
http://www.4yourtype.com/TypeAB_basic.asp
...........................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXPJuoBIMY
enjoy!

and last but not least
ever thought of knowing your secretor status as well as your subtype and MN status?
read the tutorial, and learn about it, on the last lesson
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/1.htm


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Thank you guys.  I do have the encyclopedia among other books.  Thank you for the link Lola.  I've read some of that.  The personality description pretty much nails me.  Kind of interesting.  I've been trained in the Personality Profile by Robert Rohm and now I think there may be a link to the 4 personalities with Blood Type.  

Anyways, Yeah, I'm taking a lot of stuff.  I'm not sure what to get rid of though at this point.  I won't take the coconut oil.  I will try and take "Astragalus", which is part of the Anti-Bacterial protocol.  I think that's all I'll introduce next.  Although I admit, I got that from the Vitamin Shoppe before I noticed the product Dadamo had for helping to kill H.Pylori.  I'll order some of that too.  I think it was the "intestinal health" product.  I saw my nutritionist yesterday and their is GOOD NEWS.  The severity of the H.Pylori showed up less this time!!!!!!  So, this stuff I'm taking presently must be working.  The scary part is I'm starting to lose a little bit more weight, but hopefully as it gets killed, I will gain some back.

She also gave me a list of foods that are Highly Acidic and ones that aren't.  I thought lemons weren't acidic and it seems I was incorrect.  I was drinking lemon water in the morning.  I'll have to cut that out.  So I'm going to try to focus on the foods that are Beneficial and low acid.  I had watermelon last night with supper. 1 Hard boiled egg and Ezekial bread with a piece of Mozarrela, red onion, and flax seed oil on it.  (open sandwich)  MMMMMMM.....  Mostly Low Acid foods, and according to the allergy book, the watermelon is beneficial.

That's the other weird thing, every book is a little different as to what is beneficial and all that.  The Allergy one I have has the latest Copywright date of 2005, So I was using that as my Guide.  But the encyclopedia is more comprehensive.  Anybody have any advice on that??????

Italybound, blood tests I think will always reveal antibodies once you have it, but my way of diagnosis is much different.  Biofeedback machines have a more "right now" evaluation of what's going on in your body.  From what I can tell.  Plus my stomach was concurring with the results. It's been growling more and getting upset.  Thankfully, not nauseous!!!  Sorry if my spelling is all wrong, I never know how to spell nauseous.  I'll have to look it up.  I think it's correct now though.

Thanks guys.  I'm in better spirits today about the news I got last night, but every day is a challenge this last year and a half.  Hopefully know my real blood type now will help.    


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For some reason I can't get the blood type shield to come up. Hmmmm....


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Quoted from JJR
For some reason I can't get the blood type shield to come up. Hmmmm....


are you going to member center (top right) and then to avatar settings?  



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all of the Health Library books have a risk assessment quiz at the beginning of
the book. You can use your score to help you decide if you should follow the
targeted recommendations in that book or not.
food values change between books
BTD FAQ
The Food and Beverage Guides conflict with Live Right 4 Your Type. Why?
http://www.dadamo.com/errata/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1075206572
BTD FAQ - Have many food values changed from the first book?
http://www.dadamo.com/errata/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1075124261
aberrant glycosylation* found in many diseases and characterized by elevated
tumor, inflammatory and/or metabolic markers.  
http://www.dadamo.com/pdf/DAdamo-Lectins.pdf


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Do I have it now?

Thanks for the links. I don't have time to read them now, but later I will.  So maybe just go by the encyclopedia for now, eh?


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Life enhancement sells Bye-Lori which is mastic. That will take care of it.

http://www.life-enhancement.com/product.asp?SID=1&id=159#desc
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Quoted from JJR
Do I have it now?


you do!!!



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Lola, thanks for the personality test.  I thought I was just a melancholy.  Now I'm a Guardian Inspector?  Hehheheheh

Mayflowers, that looks like a good product.  I'll keept that one in mind if the ones I'm using don't work.  I would also try the Dadamo stuff if mine aren't sufficient.

Thank you all for helping.  I have learned alot already.  


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Mayflowers, have you tried the Bye-Lori products or know someone who has?  I would like feedback on its use if possible.  These look like something I could try.  I have issues with H-Pylori and cannot tolerate the antibiotics.  Thanks.
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"She also gave me a list of foods that are Highly Acidic and ones that aren't.  I thought lemons weren't acidic and it seems I was incorrect.  I was drinking lemon water in the morning.  I'll have to cut that out." from ABnoway

http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_lemon.htm

Lemons are not acidic.


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"She also gave me a list of foods that are Highly Acidic and ones that aren't.  I thought lemons weren't acidic and it seems I was incorrect.  I was drinking lemon water in the morning.  I'll have to cut that out." from ABnoway

http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_lemon.htm

Lemons are not acidic.


  The minerals are alkalizing but initially, to the stomach, they are not it seems.  According to the list I have, it has a PH number of 2.2-2.6.  The lower the PH, the higher the acidic.  It's all very confusing and alot of it has to do with how the body processes the foods, I think.  Like meats have a High PH, but when you digest them, it makes your body acidic.  I have to find some balance.  But it appears that lemons are initially very acidic.  So, I'm trying to stick with more foods that are niether initially or eventually acidic, I think.  H.Pylori likes an acidic environment.  This is quoted from your link:

Lemons are ideal for getting rid of toxic materials in the body, but the citric acid in lemons can really stir up the inactive acids and inactive toxic settlements of the body. The mineral content of the lemon is alkaline-forming in its ash. However, before this alkaline ash goes into the tissues, the citric acid is stirring up many of the acids in the body and it is difficult to get rid of the toxic conditions. We cannot get rid of these acids because the kidneys, bowels, lungs, and skin are not throwing off the body acids fast enough.



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It is always important to keep in mind blood type when reading any information.
For a Warrior/Bt A like myself lemons are highly beneficial.
May have to do with warriors/bt A being rapid acytelators so we process stuff through our systmes quickly.
Lemon is highly bene for AB's as well.
Only you can decide how to proceed.
  


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very good point about the acid alkaline issue.
I believe Dr D takes this into account during the design of both his systems, taking individualized physiology into account.
He has already done the work, so to speak!!


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It is always important to keep in mind blood type when reading any information... Lemon is highly bene for AB's as well.  


Dottie good point .  In the encyclopedia, re: lemons for AB it says:  Beneficial: contains component that positively influences known disease susceptibility.


ABNoWay
From Encyclopedia for bacterial :
Arabinogalactan
Astragulus
Colostrum, bovine and garlic(for intestinal health - thought this might apply)
garlic also acts as a blood thinner
Slippery Elm - stomach health

When you find out your secretor status there may be a couple of other things if you should find you're a non-secretor.
Also, do you need the supps for Yeast or Fungus?
Hope this helps.



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Now I'm a little confused.  You're saying if the book says it's beneficial, it means it's beneficial in any circumstance or sickness?  I was thinking it might be wise to eliminate as many "contributors" as possible while still eating as much Beneficial foods in the process.  There are still some foods that aren't acidic that are beneficial.  Maybe I'm all wet though.

I have some of that colostrum.  I may have to take some.  I have astragalus too, but I didn't introduce it yet.  I thought I might wait until I'm done with some of the other things I'm taking.  I don't know.

I had a real bad yeast problem over the summer and got rid of it.  Man did that kick my butt too.  Made my head all cloudy.  I don't appear to be struggling with that too, but I suppose it's possible it may happen.  I know one contributing factor was I had antibiotics for the H.Pylori (which is a lot), then I had a tooth get infected (bad root canal) and I took a bunch of antibitotics then.  I took a fungul flush prescribed to me by my ND and it worked great.  It did have psyllium in it, but it didn't seem to bother me.  I didn't check if it's ok for AB's.  There was Bentonite, OIl, Oil, I forget what kind of oil, and a probiotic.  


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as you eventually heal, you begin introducing the beneficials which now give you trouble......through commitment and compliance you will reach your goal!
hang in there!


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as you eventually heal, you begin introducing the beneficials which now give you trouble......through commitment and compliance you will reach your goal!
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Thank you.  Yes, I love to drink lemon water and I know it's beneficial.  I may just hold back a little bit before hitting it again, as it seemed to make my stomach more upset.  But as I said, according to the testing, I'm getting better, so hopefully that continues and in time I'll be drinking my lemon water again!!!!!! Sooooon!!!!


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Actually, according to the list, lemon water is only neutral for me anyways.


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