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italybound
Sunday, February 24, 2008, 4:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from carmen
..the whole flax seeds..or ground flax... You'll need to drink lots of water the whole day(with either) as it soaks up a lot of fluid from your body on the way thru.
Somewhere posted that one (I forget which!) will tend to constipate you much more, even with lots of water.  


from Post 6 - would someone mind clarifying (what I have italicized above) if this is referring to whole or ground flax or to some other 'agent' for cleansing the bowel (such as psyllium - as this was previously being discussed).  I'm looking for info on why O's aren't supposed to have psyllium besides that it makes us gassy. I looked in all my books and find nothing when looking in the appendix under psyllium.

Found this :
Quoted from don

Psyllium is not recommend for long term use for type Os. It is considered too harsh. Instead try using soaked flaxseed.


So does this mean an O could use psyllium for a while (my ND put me on a colon cleanse for a month - it contains a lot of psyllium) actually here are the ingredients :

Slippery Elm Extract      100      mg
Lecithin      100      mg
L-Glutamine      100      mg
Goldenseal Extract      250      mg
L-Glutathione Reduced      100      mg
Caprylic Acid      250      mg
Garlic Extract      100      mg
Oregano Extract      100      mg
Grapefruit Extract       100      mg
Lactobacillus acidolphilus       300      mg
N-Acetyl L-Cysteine       250      mg
Psyllium       500      mg
Quercetin       100      mg
Betaine HCl       250      mg

Thanks!!



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Quoted from italybound
it contains a lot of psyllium ... Psyllium 500 mg


This does not sound like a lot to me. I used to take a tablespoon or two psyllium on soe days before I started incorporating Flax seeds into my A diet.

Did not give me problems. And each Tablespoon would contain about 14 times as much as your dose.

I wondered what a normal dose was, so I looked what Metamucil contained. Powder/Wafer formulations of the commercial broduct deliver approximately 3.4 g of psyllium husk per dose.

Incidently I had to give up flax when I went on the Explorer diet and thought I might take some psyllium again to boost fiber levels. On the explorer diet I did not tolerate psyllium well, which never was a problem for me on the A diet. This is closer to the O diet than my A diet was.  So maybe it is what one eats along with the psyllium that determines how well people do with it.




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Type O's have a very Sensitive digestive Tract and the psyllium husk do like whole grain wheat and irate it, As far colon cleaning follow page 106 of the Live Right Book, It takes time but it will do it.


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Quoted from LarryC.
As far colon cleaning follow page 106 of the Live Right Book, It takes time but it will do it.


Are you talking about following the Foods that Lower Polyamines and Indols ........... All of those foods, supps mention ODC....what is that?



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ODC....what is that?

Ornithine Decarboxylase




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There's more information on it on page 154 in LY4rt.


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What negative responses do you think one would have to psyllium besides being gassy?



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Hello, I am a new ER4YTer, O- Ns.  I too am wondering why psyllium is not good for Os?  I have been researching many recipes that use psyllium husks for thickening, in smoothies, dressings, baked goods, etc.  What would be a better substitute?
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  What would be a better substitute?


rice bran or flaxseed meal.



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Hi deskjockie, welcome!

You can let everyone know your bloodtype (O Rh- nonnie?? ) by visiting the member center and getting the appropriate avatar. We can all respond better to your questions and you won't have to type it out every time!

There are other thickeners as well, arrowroot comes to mind, but flax works well.

Psyllium can be an irritant to the intestines/colon. Steve Shapiro suggested other possible issues. A search of the archives from the old board shows a whole lot of O's who both do and don't notice anything. From a personal perspective, psyllium tears me up, very harsh. There may be other alternatives such as methycellulose (citrucell) but I am not familiar with the product.

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This is what works very well for me:  Grind 4 tablespoons of flax seeds to a powder and the use it to top 1/2 can of juice pack chilled crushed pineapple.  Press it down with the back of your spoon to soak up the juice, so you don't inhale the flax powder when you are eating.  This 'snack' makes a tasty breakfast.

I'm very regular, using this plan.
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Quoted from LarryC.
Type O's have a very Sensitive digestive Tract and the psyllium husk do like whole grain wheat and irate it, As far colon cleaning follow page 106 of the Live Right Book, It takes time but it will do it.


Why not reveal what's on page 106 of the Live Right Book in here?  At lot of us don't have the time nor the $ to spend on more books in order to find out what works best for type O's.  
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Quoted from italybound


rice bran or flaxseed meal.


What about ACAI Super Cleanse Vegetable Capsules ?  Has anyone use it with good results?
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I can t go to my local library and take out one of Dr D s books for instance, but you guys sure can!!!!


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Psyllium seems to make O's rather gassy.


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Psyllium can also cause darkening of the intestinal lining, which can
sometimes result in weird signmoidoscopy results



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Psyllium makes me bloated & gassy as well.  In the past, I always had "power oatmeal" (whole oats with skim milk poured over the top, cinnamon, nutmeg, almonds & apple slices) 90% of which I now know I'm not supposed to eat as a O.     I'm only on day 4 of the BTD & have been making sure to up my beneficial & neutral veggies to help counteract the upped meat consumption.  Oh, and lots & lots of water!  


Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again!
Goal weight acheived!!  Woo Hoo!!!!
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I sure wish that I could do flax seeds. It's a neutral for me but I don't know if it's because I am an Explorer minus her gallbladder and don't do well with too much fat and flax is quite concentrated...but...it constipates me...even if I consume lots of water. It turns into a gummy cement; my colon goes into a type of shock when I try to introduce it into my diet. I wish there was a way around it! If I make a batch of gluten-free bread and there is a few tablespoons it seems fine...but still experimenting. Sometimes something is fine for awhile and then it's not. It's a way of life for me and so I am patient and keep experimenting.
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Quoted from mariO+


What about ACAI Super Cleanse Vegetable Capsules ?  Has anyone use it with good results?


One thing you will become really good at on this way of life is reading labels. I've been doing the lifestyle so long that I actually read the labels on non-edibles, too!

Read the labels of everything you pick up to put into your basket, and decide for yourself if you want to ingest those ingredients.

I've never heard of the product you mention here, so I cannot comment on it, sorry.


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One thing I really liked about corn, corn meal, Bread, Pinto Beans and Potatoes was the way they satisfied hunger and the bulk of material they contributed. But alas.. not good for O+ Hunters. Psyllium and Pinto Beans are two of the few items that have resulted a lot of gas and pain. Psyllium also can cause severe constipation if it is not saturated in liquid throughout the length of the GI track. I have experienced wonderful results with small quantities (a single tablet or capsule) of Cascara Sagrada. Two capsules of Cascara Sagrada seemed like overdoing it. Have not noticed how that scores on BTD/GTD.

I used to put a couple tablespoons of ground flax seeds in a bowl of granola with plain yogurt and while I dont recall thinking about it... I had wonderful regularity so I didn't have to think about it... I miss those foods, since they were my staples.

I also think I needed the increase in animal protein and veges... a lot more than I needed any of those foods I seem to miss.


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