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OzlemW
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I just bought a magnesium tablets 250mg, how many I should take a day?What is good to take with E, C vitamins? any other vitamins that I shouldn't take magnesium together? What is the benefits of the Magnesium?
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loose stools is a sign of too much magnesium.....so regulate the amount to your personal needs.

The ratio of
calcium to magnesium is said to be about 2:1 or 1000mg of Calcium and 400mg of Magnesium....try that for starts and see how it works for you...lower the dose if needed.


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So, I should take it with calcium then? My magnesium tablets 250mg, should I take one or two for the beginning?

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try one first and see....
I take magnesium at night, alone......helps me sleep. keeps me regular, and also, haven t had muscle spasms in years.

calcium I get from food.......veggies, fish and protein with bones!...love to gnaw on bones and suck all the marrow.......preferably inside my cave!!! lol


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it says take with food though, doesn't make your stomach upset?
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I take 250-500 mg of magnesium each night before bed and I've yet to get stomach upset. But it sure helps me go in the morning.


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That's good, I will take it at night then. I need to sleep and I need regularity too  

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I have to tell a magnesium story.  My hairdresser told me about how exhausted she was and her blood pressure was high and she had these weird feelings in her head and couldn't sleep.  She had me use my cuff to recheck her blood pressure and it was very high even tho she was on medication.  Her doctor told her it was stress and put her on anti anxiety medication as well.  She's an O.  I told her about the diet, the evils of wheat, loaned her my cardiovascular BTD book and also told her that many people with high blood pressure are deficient in magnesium.  Six weeks later she was the same, wanted to see an endocrinologist first to have her hormones checked.  I gently reminded her about the diet and magnesium.  She asked to keep the book a little longer.  A few weeks later she left a message on my phone saying she had been taking the magnesium for two weeks and all her symptoms are gone!!! And that she owed me her health.  She told my husband she wanted to kiss my feet!!! I think I'll ask for a free pedicure instead of the kisses.  Her shop is in an uproar.  She said she is going to write that doctor a letter.  












 
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Wow Mrs.Rogers! What a story! I am so glad she is better now. Yes, I will start to magnesium tonight.
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I take 600 mg of magnesium each evening-
I did start with the low dose- and after 2 weeks took the higher dose.
From LRT
"type B´s risk having deficiencies in magnesium in part because you assimilate calcium so efficiently.
Coincidently overweight individuals especially those with extreme poor sugar handling capabilities are often deficient.!

Remember not all magnesium is created Equal !
Magnesium oxide is NOT a good source - it comes out again- used against constipation.


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Remember not all magnesium is created Equal !
Magnesium oxide is NOT a good source - it comes out again- used against constipation.


what is a GOOD source of magnesium?     I take mine at night as well.........no upset tummy for me either.  



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This was a really good page resting posted a while ago:
http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/magnesiumchloride.html


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Yes, it is good, tells a lot about magnesium, but I am not sure if I understood 100%.  How would I know magnesium I bought(nature made's brand name) is good source or not?
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maybe take calcium in the morning and magnesium at night since I have heard that they compete or cancel each other....I guess in China they take equal amounts of each, while here we take more calcium....I tend to think its better to take equal amounts....
sorry that I don't know how to tell a "good" brand....

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I don't take calcium tablets, I get that from vegetables and dairy. Okay, question is now, "Are they compete or cancel each other" ??
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what is a GOOD source of magnesium?


I like magnesium citrate.  That is what childbirth educators recommend to pregnant moms when their B/P starts creeping up.  (Well, those trained by ACBE)
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Magnesium citrate is very good - but hard to get here- it was what I got last time I wnt to UK.... but I have never seen it here in Denmark.....

I don´t do calcium eaither us B´s get enough see my post about LRT and B .


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I have two kinds of magnesium in my cupboard.  One is magnesium citrate 350 g.  The other is a powder I mix in 2 litres of water (magnesium chloride) and keep bottles of the water in the fridge.  

Each night I take 3 oz of the liquid and if I need more (usually during PMS time), I take it.  It's great for a headache cure as well sometimes.

I do have a calcium/magnesium liquid I take regularly (1 tbl. a day).  This was given to me by my naturopath.  The one who doesn't understand about B's and calcium.

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Magnesium citrate is very good -


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I like magnesium citrate. )


this is what I've always read and heard...........recently I was specifically told by someone (don't remember who or in what thread) here that citrate is NOT a good form of mag or cal, that it's only used so much because it's cheap. I'd really love this cleared up once and for all. Anyone know? and have substantial 'evidence'?  




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magnesium chloride is what I take.


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magnesium chloride is what I take.


is it better than citrate and is citrate so awful?



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the chloride is awful tasting but I don t mind! lol


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my magnesium ingredients: magnesium oxide, cellulose gel, croscarmellose sodium, magnesium stearate. Is it good I don't know?
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magnesium chloride is what I take.


Me too, 5 mils in an 8oz glass of water, just before I go to bed at night.   Ignore the yukky taste.

Magnesium aspartate (powder capsules) with my breakfast, is my other choice.

I get my calcium from compliant BTD food.   Cheers John.



 
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I take 400 mg of magnesium citrate in the morning along with my other vitamins and 400 mg of mag citrate at night just before bed.
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.recently I was specifically told by someone (don't remember who or in what thread) here that citrate is NOT a good form of mag


That was Laura P. Perhaps she can explain it. I take magnesium citrate, at least until this bottle runs out.


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That's the thing I hate, the things you think it is good for you like vitamins then mention to be not good. That's why for a long time I wasn't taking anything
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my magnesium ingredients: magnesium oxide, cellulose gel, croscarmellose sodium, magnesium stearate. Is it good I don't know?


Why is citrate not good ? and by the way it is NOT cheap at all ! and hard to get- as I wrote earlier I had to get it in UK.
In ER4YB it is citrate and oxide that Dr. D recomens...
I guess the oxid since it is easist to get and cheapest- it is the one that is put in every vitamin pill here- and all the danish pages says that it is used for constipation ......

Maybe it differs from Bloodtype ?


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Why is citrate not good ?
In ER4YB it is citrate and oxide that Dr. D recomens...
Maybe it differs from Bloodtype ?


yes, I want to know what's wrong w/ citrate too...........all I remember is the person was very adamant that it was junk, basically........
thanks for the fact that the ER book cites citrate as a cal to use
and I'd like to know if it differs from B/T to B/T too........... guess these answers will all be part of our future learning......



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I take magnesium citrate and it seems to be working for me. Taking it at night helps me go in the morning, and not taking it at night, I'm not as regular. So for me, it is serving its purpose. Unless someone can give me some documented facts regarding why it's not good, I'll continue to use it.

I believe it was Laura Petrolino (in another thread) that stated that magnesium citrate was not good, but Heidi (from the old boards) recommends it HERE and HERE.


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I'm currently reading "The Miracle of Magnesium" by Carolyn Dean, M.D., N.D. which I highly recommend...lots of information about magnesium. I thought I'd add some of her comments to this thread. Here's what she wrote on her supplementation:

"Presently I take two 550 mg capsules of magnesium oxide, but each capsule does not contain 500 mg of magnesium. Only 60% of a magnesium oxide capsule is magnesium; the other 40% is attached oxide. 60% of 500 mg is 300 mg. Of that 300 mg, I may be absorbing only half; half of 300 mg gives me 150 mg. (So two 500 mg capsules give me a total of 300 mg of magnesium). My diet supplies me with another 200 mg, putting me well above the RDA for women, which is 320 mg."

She went on to write that on the days that she is under significant stress, she takes 3 instead of 2 capsules.When her bowels get soft and unformed, she goes back to 2 per day.

She also switches brands and types of magnesium every few months to give her body a change so she doesn't get used to any one type and also to see what works best for her.

She takes her first dose in the morning when she wakes up and the last dose at bedtime. If she takes a third dose, that will be in the late afternoon. Magnesium is the most deficient in the late afternoon.





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She also switches brands and types of magnesium every few months to give her body a change so she doesn't get used to any one type and also to see what works best for her.

She takes her first dose in the morning when she wakes up and the last dose at bedtime. If she takes a third dose, that will be in the late afternoon. Magnesium is the most deficient in the late afternoon.



Thanks for the info, Glittergal.  Usually, I go to the HFS or get a sample from someone and muscle test to see if a product is good.  If it tests good and is reasonably free of nasty additives, I go for it.  My mag citrate doesn't always test good so I'm excited about going to the HFS and seeing if it's time for a different formulation.  If one can't muscle test, I think it is reasonable to switch around and watch the results.  As we all know, none of us subscribe to the one size fits all routine.  I've taken mag oxide when it tested good and it works too.
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I take magnesium citrate


Oops! I was wrong. I take chelated magnesium, not magnesium citrate. I could only find one reference to its absorbability HERE.



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glittergal, is it say on the book any brand name? And what is the muscle test Mrs Rogers?
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I think the ratio of calcium to magnesium is important from a blood type perspective.  Check out the NAP products for an example of how Dr. D views the needs of the different types.  CLICK  I personally use different brands and sources from my health food store, rotating as much as I can to give my body a break from just one kind of mineral source.  I try and stick with the chelated forms, or citrate or asporotate, something like that.  I also like the Maerle seaweed that Dr. D uses, but it's not always easy for me to work from mail-order.

Type B's need more magnesium than type O's for example.  I still take a calcium supplement.  I tried for a long time to separate the calcium from the magnesium, but found it nearly impossible since I take quite a few supplements.  I'm currently taking 1000 mg. cal. citrate and around 600 mg of magnesium asporotate.  I divide it up throughout the day, with meals, taking 400 mg of my mag. with my last meal of the day.  I generally take as much mag. as my body will handle before my stools get too loose.  At that point, I back off until I find the point that my body likes.  It does make for better sleep and reduces the tendency for muscle cramps, even menstrual cramping.



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And what is the muscle test Mrs Rogers?


Something that is bad for you will weaken your muscles, something good will strengthen them.

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Something that is bad for you will weaken your muscles, something good will strengthen them.


I believe muscle testing is when you hold a product and someone pushes down on your arm. If your muscle strength is good during this test, then it is considered ok. Is that right Mrs Rodgers?  



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I'm attaching a link to a very informative article. Apparently magnesium is much better absorbed through the skin than orally, where...and I got this from the article... I linked below: "it must first be digested and passed through the portal vein to the liver, where nutrients will be disseminated to the rest of the body. Oral supplementation of magnesium is difficult to use effectively enough to bring forth a quick change in magnesium concentrations in the blood and cells."

Also, this article opened my eyes to magnesium citrate which I've been taking for a while to relieve my foot cramps..."Magnesium citrate is of concern because the magnesium has been chelated with citric acid. Most of the citric acid used in this country is made from corn."

Here is the article:

http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/articles-358.html

There is a thread on the T-Tapp board right now on magnesium oil...here is a link someone posted on where to buy it:

http://www.health-and-wisdom.com/magnesium.htm





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I did a test (quite by accident) over the last three days: no mag before bed, but did have warm lemon/salt water first thing in the am. The first day, great elimination; the second, I felt like there was something to come out, but it was very difficult to get it out; the third, same feeling as the second day, but nothing came out.

Moral: I feel better when I drink my LSW, but I believe it's the mag that does the elimination trick.


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Glittergal, thanks so much for those informative links!!  Now, I'm thinking of changing my magnesium.  Have you tried the magnesium spray?  That's very intriguing.  I must say that now I'm worried about taking mag citrate which I thought was fine until I read those articles.  

As for drinking mag chloride, what if I can't stand the taste!  I'm not sure, now, what to change to.  Good grief!  
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Glittergal, thanks so much for those informative links!!  Now, I'm thinking of changing my magnesium.  Have you tried the magnesium spray?  That's very intriguing.  I must say that now I'm worried about taking mag citrate which I thought was fine until I read those articles.  

As for drinking mag chloride, what if I can't stand the taste!  I'm not sure, now, what to change to.  Good grief!  



I just put in an order of magnesium oil. I  like the idea of absorbing the magnesium through my skin. The article also says that celtic gray sea salt has magnesium...I'm going to order that also. The foot cramps that I keep having are telling me that I'm really lacking in this mineral. If the oil doesn't work, then I'll try the magnesium chloride liquid.




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Yes!  Doesn't that magnesium oil sound good, though.  I was thinking about trying that.  If you try the mag chloride, let us know what you think about it.  Maybe we'll both reach that point at the same time.  
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I went to the HFS to get my hands on different kinds of magnesium to muscle test and found some magnesium malate by Nature's Life that tested really strong.  After taking some, I noticed my seasonal allergy symptoms improved! I was taking quercetin, stinging nettle leaf and vit c per Dr. D's allergy protocol with some relief but the magnesium just seemed to make it all work and I feel much better. So I believe it pays to investigate the different kinds of magnesium.

Thank you for starting this thread  Ozlemw.  And yes, as Italybound said, many people use the arm muscle to muscle test, but any muscle will work.  I also use my fingers.  This way you can test yourself.  I place the tip of my middle finger on top of the nailbed of my index (pointer finger) and press down.  If you can press your index finger down, thats weak, if you can't press it down, that's strong.  It takes a little practice, but you can get the feel for it after a while.  Try it with some of your highly bennies and avoids and see how you do.  I might add, that if you are really sick, you need help and may not be able to test yourself.  


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The NOW brand of magnesium citrate clearly states"contains no sugar, salt, starch, yeast, wheat, corn, soy, milk, egg or preservatives". Each pill contains 200mg of magnesium and I take 2 in the morning.
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I place the tip of my middle finger on top of the nailbed of my index (pointer finger) and press down.  If you can press your index finger down, thats weak, if you can't press it down, that's strong.


Is this with the same hand AND while you are holding the supplement in question?


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Is this with the same hand AND while you are holding the supplement in question?


Sorry I didn't make that clear.  Yes, both fingers of the same hand while holding whatever you're testing with the other hand.

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Sorry I didn't make that clear.  Yes, both fingers of the same hand while holding whatever you're testing with the other hand.


Interesting! I'm going to try that next time I'm shopping for supps. Does this work with foods as well? I imagine it would. Sounds a lot like lymphatic testing, although I am no expert on that.


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Does this work with foods as well?


Yes, it works with anything, food, supplements, makeup, skin care, clothing, bedding.  
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You are welcome Mrs. Rogers It has been almost two weeks that I started it, I can tell you I know one thing is better is that my time in restroom It doesn't make me sleepy that much, B complex vitamin makes me more sleepy than magnesium.
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