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elliefeldman
Friday, March 9, 2007, 3:10pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hello, I am relatively new to the forum, but not new to ER.  I am currently doing the protocal for Yeast/Fungal due to having candida/yeast overgrowth, things are working really well - seems to be helping.  The bad thing is I caught a cold that turned into a raging sinus infection - I finally had to see the dr for some antibiotics.

I am taking Amoxil (along with doing the antibiotic protocal), I guess I am unsure as to if I should still take the supplements (nettle and caprylic acid) from the fungal protocal to kill the overgrowth of yeast - espcially since the anitibiotic will also kill the good and bad bacteria - will taking it all be too much on my system?  I am worried that it might be too much on my system.

Yes I am taking ARA-6 and a very high potency probiotic (35 Billion cfu/pill) I take this first thing in the AM and last in the PM  with the ARA- of course at least 2-3 hours after taking the caprylic acid and also the antibiotic so they don't kill the good friendly bacteria that I just put in.  I also follow the Allergy ER Diet book.

A little about myself - I have Crohn's Disease (leaky gut also) and Lupus (SLE) right now I am currently heading into remission of both of these, the Crohn's is controlled by my diet (ER) and of course an immune supressor - I have been able to lower the dosage and get off a few other medications with the help of ER4YT, I am only on Plaquenil for the Lupus, but I can't stop taking that without dramatic pain.  I am doing quite well, just constantly tired, but I have found that the B vitamin that Dr. D recommends for Fibro does help a lot - I just have to remember to take it.

I am just a little worried on overdoing it with the Antibiotic (I have a low potency longer course so it doesn't upset the Crohn's) and the caprylic acid - anyone have any suggestions if I should keep doing the Antibiotic and Caprylic acid or give myself a little bit of a break of the caprylic acid since the antibiotic will be killing the good and bad bacteria.

What exactly should I focus on besides replensishing the good bacteria?  Any thoughts would be appreciated!

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Welcome elliefeldman,

Did you ask your doctor that prescribed the antibiotic about any supplements you are taking?

I don't believe that the antibiotics will kill the candida. Antibiotics kill the good bacteria that helps keep the candida under control. In other words, antibiotics are a major cause of candida problems.

Did you notice in the Antibiotic Support Protocols that caprylic acid is recommended for non-secretors? I assume that recommendation is because of their higher risk for candida. I wouldn't think there would be anything wrong with a secretor using it too as part of the protocol.


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MoDon - no I didn't ask the dr, that would have gone way over her head, my ND is on vacation this week so I can't ask her either.

As for the Caprylic acid - I am using out of the Fungal/Yeast protocol - and it is listed for either secretor or non-secretor for type A. Out of the Antibiotic Protocol I am taking the Bromaline, the daily vitamin and probiotics - I do not do Echinachia per my ND's recommendation since I have (2) Autoimmune diseases - it could stimulate my immune system to attack itself even more she said.

I have always been told the antibiotics destroy both good and bad bacteria - even when I did a quick search yesterday that is what I found, I will have to do a deeper search to find out for sure I guess. Hm...I think I will do that now.

I try so hard to stay away from antibiotics, but some times it is impossible, they definitely contribute to my candida problem, along with the prednisone I have had to take in the past and the immune supressor I take daily.  

Thanks for the thoughts!!  It sounds like it would work to take the Caprylic Acid too, I would hate to stop when it works so well, I just have to extend the fungal protocal to add the next couple weeks I am on the Amoxil.

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I have always been told the antibiotics destroy both good and bad bacteria

Yes, that is true. The point is that candida is not a bacteria.



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MoDon - Ah -I see the light now!   Thank you!  I never thought of it that way -What would candida be considered than - besides a Fungus?  I always looked at is being in the bad bacteria column, though I guess it really isn't when you need anti-fungals -whether prescription ones, natural or food based ones.  

One would think that I would know that, I have been dealing with it since I have been repeatedly on and off Prednisone and heavy antibiotics/drugs for the Crohn's and Lupus.  Thankfully I have been slowly getting off the drugs as the disease gets under control (I consider it getting under control to the goodness of ER4YT and my ND recommending it to me) the candida is slowly going away - eventually the balance between the good and bad will be even.

Thanks again for your help.
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elliefeldman, welcome to the forums!!
Candida is a yeast. In the intestines there are good and bad bacteria and the candida albicans. We all have it. When one takes antibiotics, the good and bad bacteria are both killed off, leaving only the yeast. Left as is, it will continue to thrive. Add sugar or sweets and it really multiplies. Almost any type of sugar is the worst thing you can consume w/ a candida issue. The probiotics add back in the good bacteria to balance things out.  If it is really out of control, maybe try some 3Lac.  MoDon suggests if you have any amalgym fillings, you should have those removed before aggressively treating candida, as the candida protects from the harmful effects of the amalgyms.  



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Italybound,

So yeast is just yeast is what you are saying.  I guess I just thought of it as a fungal bacteria.  But I guess not.

Yes, yes sugar in any form in excess is evil. I eat little to no sugar - only the little bit I get in fruit (which is not much fruit at all) - I rely on stevia and veg. glycerine, little grains - I follow the Allergy - fighting it with the Blood Diet book, 9 servings/week is sugessted in the book. Right now the good bacteria in my body is winning the fight, I just have to be consistant and viligent especially with the antibiotic course and after it.

I have heard about the Amalgem fillings causing/contributing to the candida problem, I woud love to have those removed, but there is NO WAY I can even begin to touch that - I can't afford it - not even on a payment plan (have no dental insurance either), I can barely afford to feed myself and my family healthy ER food and supplements plus pay the bills, I believe that if I can keep myself in the best possible health with ER it is better than doing nothing, and since there is no way I can afford it until maybe some day down the road (way down at this point) when I have more $, I will work at it this way - it seems to work well for me.

If you are not to attack the candida until you have the mercury removed how can some people function? Especially for those who can become almost paralized with the candida but can't afford to have the amalgims removed? How does that work? I know you can't ever eradicate the candida - there needs to be the balance between the good and bad bacteria to keep your digestive system working properly.

So, I guess another question is what are those people (like me) to do? I am very curious, I have seen the mercury toxin removal discussion come up here multiple times, but no real response of what to do when you can't afford it? Let it consume you or do something?

My ND has never mentioned  the mercury removal to me, I plan to bring it up at the next appt. I have with her in 6 weeks and see what she thinks.

Just a new forum member with lots of questions. Thanks for all the information and help.
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 1.)Italybound,So yeast is just yeast is what you are saying.  I guess I just thought of it as a fungal bacteria.  But I guess not.
2.) If you are not to attack the candida until you have the mercury removed how can some people function?
3.) Just a new forum member with lots of questions. Thanks for all the information and help.


1.) yes, as I understand it, it is just yeast. Here is some info. You can also do a google search for "candida yeast" and find lots more to read on it.
http://altmedicine.about.com/od/popularhealthdiets/a/candidadiet.htm

2.) I dont have the answer to that for you. This is something that MoDon has posted and feels strongly about. Maybe he'll pop in and post some more info.

3.) feel free to ask all the questions you want. we're all here to help each other and there are lots of great people here w/ lots of good info.  




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The problem with not addressing the mercury, you run the risk of making your health worse.  I believe that's what MoDon has posted in the past about trying to treat his candida without removing the amalgam first.  I believe he said that's what pushed him into adrenal fatigue, making his health worse.

I'd recommend reading some of the threads we have here on mercury fillings.

Dental Mercury

Adrenal Fatigue

Candida Spit Test ~ Candida Detox I

Fatigue & Mercury

Mercury Posioning Signs

Adrenal Fatigue & Exercise

Candidase for Candida?

These are just a small sampling of threads that came up when I did a search of the forums for the word "mercury."

Hope this information helps you.



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What exactly should I focus on besides replensishing the good bacteria?  Any thoughts would be appreciated!


Welcome to the BTD community, ellliefeldman.

Incorporating appropriate stress-reducing and calming exercises such as yoga, tai chi, alternate noistril breathing, and some light cardio work will assist your body physically, along with staying very compliant with this lifestyle--focusing on the super beneficial food items in the Health Series book you are utilizing.

Alia


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If you are not to attack the candida until you have the mercury removed how can some people function? Especially for those who can become almost paralized with the candida but can't afford to have the amalgims removed? How does that work? I know you can't ever eradicate the candida - there needs to be the balance between the good and bad bacteria to keep your digestive system working properly.

So, I guess another question is what are those people (like me) to do? I am very curious, I have seen the mercury toxin removal discussion come up here multiple times, but no real response of what to do when you can't afford it? Let it consume you or do something?

I can't tell you what you should do. All I can do is warn you of the risks of treating candida if you have mercury exposure from any source, including dental fillings.

Before I had some health problems, but at least I could function and was extremely fit. For instance, I could exercise intensely for hours several times a week.

After taking some supplements that caused the candida to release a lot of bound up mercury I am much worse off. The mercury impacted my adrenal glands and other endocrine glands and has left me extremely fatigued along with many other related symptoms. I can no long exercise even shortly at a moderate level or accomplish much else in my life.

As long as you have mercury fillings you will continue to be exposed to mercury and therefore you will not be able to get rid of the candida. At this point about all you can do is eat a diet to starve it as much as possible.


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