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MommytoEliana
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Eliana is 28 months old.  She is night waking alot and it's been like this for awhile.  Dr K said to try melatonin.  Well she took it for 4 nights & then stopped.  I'm assuming she didn't like the taste.  

What else can I try to help her sleep better? Eliana is an O.
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Does she eat compliantly for her blood type?  Does she get enough exercise for her blood type?  Does she nap in the afternoon?

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Does she eat compliantly for her blood type?  Does she get enough exercise for her blood type?  Does she nap in the afternoon?

Debra


yes, and yes I'm exhausted watching her and a 2-3 hour nap I'd say 5-7 times a week (varies from week to week).  if she doesn't nap she is the biggest grump.

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Glad she is eating compliantly.  You could be exhausted watching her as she goes along, but it may not necessarily be 'exercise' per se for her.  Do you take her out for walks?  Out to the park for some running around?   Especially after a 2-3 hour nap.  I would say try cutting back the times of her nap to maybe an hour each day and make it as close to starting at noon...1:00 p.m. at the latest as possible.   If she is not sleeping as much during the day she may settle at night.  You will probably have a bit of grumpiness after only an hour of sleep as she wakes, but hopefully it will help her sleep through.   She may be the type that does not need to nap every day now that she is getting older.   Sometimes when the kids I babysit are grumpy it is because they are hungry and need to eat something complant.  Fruits, rice cakes, compliant muffins/cookies and water work wonders.  Oh...and carrots...they all love carrots.  All O's and A's.

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actually I take Eliana on a 4 mile walk everyday (now that it's starting to get warmer) she sits in her stroller then we stop at the park and she plays for 45 minutes since it's so cold out right now.  we also have an indoor slide at home...one of those Step 2 cubes with a slide.  I got it last year for $10 at the thrift store & it's practically brand new.  needless to say she LOVES it.  

she is even grumpier if I have to wake her after an hour.  i've had to do it a few time as I had a Dr's appt. etc.  and she sleeps just as bad at night no matter whether she naps for 5 minutes or 3 hours.  and she definetly is one child who needs her naps.

she grazies on food pretty much all day like I do.  we do have 3 meals per day but at least 3 other times she has something in her mouth she is eating.  my child is weird she LOVES fruits, veggies and water.  she is not into sweets or candy hardly at all.  I just printed some recipes from the typebase for muffins & such that we both can eat.

just not sure what else to do.  I think I may need to call her pedi and see about the allergy testing we talked about previous.  i'm wondering if she's allergic to something that keeps her annoyed at night.  her naps during the day not a peep out of her.



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Glad she is eating compliantly.  You could be exhausted watching her as she goes along, but it may not necessarily be 'exercise' per se for her.  Do you take her out for walks?  Out to the park for some running around?   Especially after a 2-3 hour nap.  I would say try cutting back the times of her nap to maybe an hour each day and make it as close to starting at noon...1:00 p.m. at the latest as possible.   If she is not sleeping as much during the day she may settle at night.  You will probably have a bit of grumpiness after only an hour of sleep as she wakes, but hopefully it will help her sleep through.   She may be the type that does not need to nap every day now that she is getting older.   Sometimes when the kids I babysit are grumpy it is because they are hungry and need to eat something complant.  Fruits, rice cakes, compliant muffins/cookies and water work wonders.  Oh...and carrots...they all love carrots.  All O's and A's.

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Keeping a regular and consistent sleep schedule is important.  Perhaps try engaging in a relaxing bedtime ritual to 'calm' her down before she sleeps for trhe evening, such as storytelling time.

Plenty of regular exercise and no sugar consumption will probably help her exhaust for energy levels during the day.

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If children watch tv in the evening, it can get the brain stimulated in such a way that they cannot shift into sleep mode.  



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our nightly ritual consists of...
my dad bought a 3 foot winnie the pooh it blows up with air when you plug it in.  she gives pooh a hug, kiss and says night night to him.  we unplugg pooh for the evening (he is only plugged in for about an hour).  we get into bed and read a story or 2 or 3 or 4.  they are winnie the pooh bedtime stories.  

she's doesn't care much for TV and might only watch 20 minutes a day at about 5pmish when we get home for the day.

and the only sugar she gets is natural sugars in foods.  no extra added sugar.

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If you are waking Eliana after an hour nap (for whatever reason) odds are she's grumpy because she's just starting back out of the deepest part of her sleep cycle. I used to do that all the time, thinking I was doing a good thing for me. I'd take an hour nap. And I'd always wake up more tired than when I went to sleep. Now I know why. Just thought I'd mention that.  
You should be glad she is weird as you put it because she loves the fruit etc. Which I know you prob really are. Really who wants to see their kids stuffing their face w/ junk all the time? Even the parents that let their kids do that.........they know it's not a good thing. And great to hear she gets no added sugar as well.  And not much TV. So much other stuff to do to stimulate her little mind.  
May I suggest some sweet potato w/ ghee before bed? Not only is it a carb, it's a bennie for her as well.  and yummmmyyyy!!!!!!!!!   Add a bit of sea salt and all set. May I also suggest the Jewel variety, I think it is. Sorry, mind went blank. It is really really orange inside and it is sooooo sweet. Add a little ghee and it's like dessert.  
One other thing, is she tinkling before going to bed. If not, that could be waking her whether she goes potty or not.




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One other thing, is she tinkling before going to bed. If not, that could be waking her whether she goes potty or not.


This was something I was wondering about.  Is she potty trained?



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If you are waking Eliana after an hour nap (for whatever reason) odds are she's grumpy because she's just starting back out of the deepest part of her sleep cycle. I used to do that all the time, thinking I was doing a good thing for me. I'd take an hour nap. And I'd always wake up more tired than when I went to sleep. Now I know why. Just thought I'd mention that.  
You should be glad she is weird as you put it because she loves the fruit etc. Which I know you prob really are. Really who wants to see their kids stuffing their face w/ junk all the time? Even the parents that let their kids do that.........they know it's not a good thing. And great to hear she gets no added sugar as well.  And not much TV. So much other stuff to do to stimulate her little mind.  
May I suggest some sweet potato w/ ghee before bed? Not only is it a carb, it's a bennie for her as well.  and yummmmyyyy!!!!!!!!!   Add a bit of sea salt and all set. May I also suggest the Jewel variety, I think it is. Sorry, mind went blank. It is really really orange inside and it is sooooo sweet. Add a little ghee and it's like dessert.  
One other thing, is she tinkling before going to bed. If not, that could be waking her whether she goes potty or not.


I've only had to wake her from nap a couple times to go to appts.  But I did discover my old sitter used to wake her up (gggrrr)  

So sea salt is ok for a toddler? O? A?  I'll have to see if the HFS has ghee.

She is not really going potty yet and she wanted to sit on it last night when we were getting ready for bed.  She did not go though.  

I'll have to check what kind of sweet potato is in the store.  I do not think it is Jewel but I'll have to see.  

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This was something I was wondering about.  Is she potty trained?



Eliana was doing well with potty training but then she had 2 surgeries.  One in Oct 06 and the other Jan 07.  And like anything else it's her way or no way.  She took herself off the bottle to sippy in one day at 13 months.
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I'll have to see if the HFS has ghee.


you can easily make it yourself. throw 4 sticks in  a baking dish, set your oven to 350, timer to 1 hour, check it after 1 hour to be sure the stuff in the bottom has browned ( i cook mine until it's a bit on the brown side, when it cools it's kinda a tan color) . cool, strain and you can leave it sit on the counter as long as you use ONLY clean and dry utensils.  




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you can easily make it yourself. throw 4 sticks in  a baking dish, set your oven to 350, timer to 1 hour, check it after 1 hour to be sure the stuff in the bottom has browned ( i cook mine until it's a bit on the brown side, when it cools it's kinda a tan color) . cool, strain and you can leave it sit on the counter as long as you use ONLY clean and dry utensils.  


I'm not good at making things like this in the oven.  They never turn out right Thanks!
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One thing that helped my daughter transition to using the toilet is that I bought her a tiny toilet that was white and looked just like a miniature version of the big one.  She never liked "going" on the big one with her legs dangling down.  I set it beside the big one and just let her play with it, not making a big deal of it.

The carbs before bed, as Italy suggested, often help with sleep. . . Sweet potatoes would be better than fruit before bed, in my opinion..



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One thing that helped my daughter transition to using the toilet is that I bought her a tiny toilet that was white and looked just like a miniature version of the big one.  She never liked "going" on the big one with her legs dangling down.  I set it beside the big one and just let her play with it, not making a big deal of it.

The carbs before bed, as Italy suggested, often help with sleep. . . Sweet potatoes would be better than fruit before bed, in my opinion..


I have a small potty chair & its exactly like the one in the Elmo potty training DVD.  She LVOES that Elmo DVD.  She watches it everyday and sometimes says potty and we ahve to run & sit on it during the DVD.  I go to the bathroom with her & go if I need to and sometimes pretend to go as well jsut so she gets the idea.

she does nothing in the norm and everything is at her terms/rate.

besides sweet potatoes are there any other carbs that might help?  she doesn't always eat sweet potatoes.  she gets bored with food easily.  

normally she doesn't eat anything wthin the last hour before bed. bed time is at 8 so from 7-8 she doesn't eat anything if not longer.  she does have a drink before bed but about 2-3 ounces.

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she does nothing in the norm and everything is at her terms/rate.


Sound like my daughter when she was a baby

I would say since you are so lucky to be at home with her.
Structure your day so she gets plenty of fresh air and exercise.
A nice hot bath followed by some high carb dinner. A goodnight  song/story - a cool dark room and she would eventual learn to settle into a good night.
Sometimes around this age children can be a real pain in the.... not really ready to give up sleep during day- do not really need it so much as they used to- at the same time they begin being awre that they are an independent person and that they might be able to decide things or try to

I often find that a good nap during day  = good night sleep- but impotant that it is not too late during the da.

I just looked into Emma babydiary and my entry at 26 months was follwing this was before BTD!) ( I´m not saying this is ideal;-) )

wake up at 8
breakfast: mainly eggs ryebread or peanutbutter sandwich
9-11 in kindergarden- lots of playing
11 lunch: veggies and fish or meat
sleep in pram outdoor ( all danish kid do that till 3 years from 12- 13.30
14/(2 o´c) snack: - fruit and cheese
Going for a walk in the park or on the playground
maybe a small snack when we came home around
16.30 - like carrotsstick or dry fruit
playng athome -maybe "helping doing dinner "
bath around 18.00
dinner around 18.30/19:  mainly light veggie based stuff- soups pasta- rice dishes,
nice reading book /singing song session - and in bed by 20- and a good night sleep
in a cool quiet dark room.

I have worked as a nanny in Ireland 2 years before I had Emma- and I have had my deal of insecure or spoiled children that couldn´t/ wouldn´t sleep.
So when I had Emma I decided that I wanted to teach her that to sleep was nice and safe - and now at 12 she loves going to bed- how many teens says that

I don´t think Elianna is either -she is just growing older - being more aware of what is going on around her.

I think that if you make her aware that this is nighttime and that you are there - but that you are very boring/want to sleep- she ´ll learn that she can fall a sleep by herself without waking you up.

Good luck



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Sound like my daughter when she was a baby

I would say since you are so lucky to be at home with her.
Structure your day so she gets plenty of fresh air and exercise.
A nice hot bath followed by some high carb dinner. A goodnight  song/story - a cool dark room and she would eventual learn to settle into a good night.
Sometimes around this age children can be a real pain in the.... not really ready to give up sleep during day- do not really need it so much as they used to- at the same time they begin being awre that they are an independent person and that they might be able to decide things or try to

I often find that a good nap during day  = good night sleep- but impotant that it is not too late during the da.

I just looked into Emma babydiary and my entry at 26 months was follwing this was before BTD!) ( I´m not saying this is ideal;-) )

wake up at 8
breakfast: mainly eggs ryebread or peanutbutter sandwich
9-11 in kindergarden- lots of playing
11 lunch: veggies and fish or meat
sleep in pram outdoor ( all danish kid do that till 3 years from 12- 13.30
14/(2 o´c) snack: - fruit and cheese
Going for a walk in the park or on the playground
maybe a small snack when we came home around
16.30 - like carrotsstick or dry fruit
playng athome -maybe "helping doing dinner "
bath around 18.00
dinner around 18.30/19:  mainly light veggie based stuff- soups pasta- rice dishes,
nice reading book /singing song session - and in bed by 20- and a good night sleep
in a cool quiet dark room.

I have worked as a nanny in Ireland 2 years before I had Emma- and I have had my deal of insecure or spoiled children that couldn´t/ wouldn´t sleep.
So when I had Emma I decided that I wanted to teach her that to sleep was nice and safe - and now at 12 she loves going to bed- how many teens says that

I don´t think Elianna is either -she is just growing older - being more aware of what is going on around her.

I think that if you make her aware that this is nighttime and that you are there - but that you are very boring/want to sleep- she ´ll learn that she can fall a sleep by herself without waking you up.

Good luck


Thanks!

Actually I'm a single mother so I don't have the pleasure of staying home with her.  I wish I could though.  

It is dark in the entire apartment when I want her to go to sleep.  I do not stay up and watch TV or keep any lights on for me to do something.

I even get showered and ready for work in the morning in the dark so she gets as much sleep as possible before I have to wake her.


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Oh Sorry Jeannette somehow I had got that wrong :??
- welcome in the club - single mums are tough...doing their best- Oh how I remember sneaking around in darkness.... I was so lucky that I was a student so Emma only had to stay at her minder/kindergarden half the day.

BTW I just read in one of our magazines that children with astma do sleep worse and wake up more often- so it might not be that course as well.

But as I wrote I do think that it just a period... she´ll get older.
Sleep tight


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Oh Sorry Jeannette somehow I had got that wrong :??
- welcome in the club - single mums are tough...doing their best- Oh how I remember sneaking around in darkness.... I was so lucky that I was a student so Emma only had to stay at her minder/kindergarden half the day.

BTW I just read in one of our magazines that children with astma do sleep worse and wake up more often- so it might not be that course as well.

But as I wrote I do think that it just a period... she´ll get older.
Sleep tight



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