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Lisalea
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Chinese Bitters: Purges and detoxifies the liver
Ingredients: Chinese Gentian, Bupleurum

Organs affected: Liver, gallbladder, urinary bladder

Gold Coin Grass (GCG): Helps crush and soften gallstones.  
Ingredients: Gold Coin Grass, Bupleurum

Organs affected: Liver, Gallbladder, Kidneys, Urinary Bladder

Are these ok for my bloodtype

Has anybody ever taken them ?

Here is the link:
http://www.sensiblehealth.com/store/herbtincture-us.html

I beleive that this would help and/or alleviate my burping and
improve digestion in general ...  [/b][b]


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Quoted from LISALEA
Chinese Bitters: Purges and detoxifies the liver
Ingredients: Chinese Gentian, Bupleurum

Organs affected: Liver, gallbladder, urinary bladder

Gold Coin Grass (GCG): Helps crush and soften gallstones.  
Ingredients: Gold Coin Grass, Bupleurum

Organs affected: Liver, Gallbladder, Kidneys, Urinary Bladder

Are these ok for my bloodtype

Has anybody ever taken them ?

Here is the link:
http://www.sensiblehealth.com/store/herbtincture-us.html

I beleive that this would help and/or alleviate my burping and
improve digestion in general ...  [/b][b]



How compliant are you to your diet?

Have you looked at the Stomach Health Protocol for your type?

The items Dr. D recommends would be a better solution.  How the protocols work.  The first item on the list is the best, and then next on down the line.  You can try one at a time, or a few in combination.


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.

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How compliant are you to your diet?

Have you looked at the Stomach Health Protocol for your type?

The items Dr. D recommends would be a better solution.  How the protocols work.  The first item on the list is the best, and then next on down the line.  You can try one at a time, or a few in combination.




Well the past month I've been VERY compliant; I may eat too much honey or manna bread on certain days or maybe too much grains  
however; I have NOT eaten one avoid, I'm PROUD to say !!

I will go take another look at the items that Dr. D recommends since u say that they would be a better solution ... however; as  far as my original question goes about the ingredients in the tinctures ... I take it that they r fine   ??

Thanks KimonoKat


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however; as  far as my original question goes about the ingredients in the tinctures ... I take it that they r fine   ??

Thanks KimonoKat


I'm sorry I don't have an answer to your question.

If the individual items are not in typebase, they are considered unknown, and therefore neutral.  You could search the entire web site (link is on the front page) for these items to see if anyone has discussed them before....there might be something in the archives.

Too much honey, or too much grain even though they might be okay neutrals might cause you problems.  They can definitely make me wake up the next day with a sore throat and head cold.......so.....always make sure you have bennnies at every meal.


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I have used one bottle of both Chinese Bitters Gold Coin Grass (GCG) about 3 years ago before I did my first liver flush.

Bupleurum is OK for all blood types. I say that because it is in NAP's Hepatiguard product. I don't know about the Chinese Gentian and Gold Coin Grass ingredients.

I suspect these products were mentioned in the liver flush thread.


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... always make sure you have bennnies at every meal


I do, thanks

Hopefully somebody will come along that knows about Chinese Bitters and Gold Coin Grass !!  


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I have used one bottle of both Chinese Bitters Gold Coin Grass (GCG) about 3 years ago before I did my first liver flush.


Hi MoDon,
How r u ??

May I ask about ur experience with  both the Chinese Bitters and Gold Coin Grass ?
Do u beleive that it helped u ?
Also;
If u can tell me anything and everything about it, I would greatly appreciate it
Thank-u MoDon  

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I don't know about the Chinese Gentian and Gold Coin Grass ingredients.

I will treat these ingredients as neutrals then ...
Cheers


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I had a very successful first liver flush, so from that standpoint I think the GCG worked. I passed a lot of smaller stones and GCG is supposed to break up the stones so I think that is another example of how it worked.

By comparison I have done around 34 liver flushes and I don't think any flush resulted in as many smaller stones as the first flush. Many of my later flushes resulted in lots of bigger stones.


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Quoted from LISALEA
Chinese Bitters: Purges and detoxifies the liver
Ingredients: Chinese Gentian, Bupleurum

...

Gold Coin Grass (GCG): Helps crush and soften gallstones.  
Ingredients: Gold Coin Grass, Bupleurum


Bupleurum is an ingredient in Hepatiguard, which is OK for all types.

Gentian is recommended for type A, to stimulate digestion.  In fact, it is an ingredient in Phytocal A.  But I haven't seen anything regarding gentian for Bs.

Gold coin grass also appears to be an unknown.

I, too, used Julia Chang's stuff the first time I did the flush, but not for any of the many flushes I did after that.  I really don't know if it made much of a difference.



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I had a very successful first liver flush, so from that standpoint I think the GCG worked. I passed a lot of smaller stones and GCG is supposed to break up the stones so I think that is another example of how it worked.

By comparison I have done around 34 liver flushes and I don't think any flush resulted in as many smaller stones as the first flush. Many of my later flushes resulted in lots of bigger stones.




and why is that do u think ??
Aren't u suposed to be getting cleaner so to speak as u move forward ??
TY  


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Bupleurum is an ingredient in Hepatiguard, which is OK for all types.

Gentian is recommended for type A, to stimulate digestion.  In fact, it is an ingredient in Phytocal A.  But I haven't seen anything regarding gentian for Bs.

Gold coin grass also appears to be an unknown.

I, too, used Julia Chang's stuff the first time I did the flush, but not for any of the many flushes I did after that.  I really don't know if it made much of a difference.



Hmmm that's discouraging ... however; thanks for sharing that info and more one question if I may ... what did u use for the following liver flushes ??


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I really don't know if it made much of a difference.

R u talking about the products that u used or the liver flush in general ??
Thank-u Whimsical


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I think the flush was beneficial to me at the time (I did 5-6 over a couple of years), but it is disruptive to the system and I think it might have made me susceptible to candida overgrowth after.  Now I don't feel the need to do them anymore, so I don't.

I used the herbs for my first flush, but didn't use them afterwards and really didn't notice much difference.  My first flush was the hardest and I don't know how great a result I got because I vomited up the oil/juice soon after drinking it!  I think it was the olive oil taste that got me, so after that I used almond oil instead and I was fine.  The black cherry juice in seltzer also helped a lot.
 
I followed Heidi's flush instructions, which I summarize below:
Ingredients:
3 Tbsp Epsom salts – mix with 3 cups of water to make four Ύ cup doses (add juice if desired)
1 cup organic, extra virgin olive oil (or other type of oil – walnut, almond)
2 organic red grapefruits (to squeeze 1½ cups of juice)
1 lemon (to squeeze for juice)
Fruit juices – lemon, black cherry, grapefruit
Veggies, veggie broth
PolyFlora

DAY 1:
Juice fast with light snacks as needed (only vegetables and fruit, no fats).

DAY 2:
1) Repeat Day 1.  Take only water mixed with malic acid (1,000mg to 2,000mg malic acid mixed with 2 cups water) and some juice.  Eat as little as possible.
2) Stop eating/drinking at 4:00pm – drink only water (sip it slowly).
3) At 6:00pm (or 4 hours before bedtime) take first dose of Epsom salts.
4) At 8:00pm (or 2 hours before bedtime) take second dose of Epsom salts.
5) Mix 1½ cups freshly squeezed red grapefruit juice with 1 cup oil.  At 9:30pm (or 30 minutes before bedtime) take half of the juice/oil mixture.
6) At 10:00pm (bedtime) take the other half of the juice/oil mixture.  Immediately lie down on right side with right knee pulled up.  Stay that way for at least 20 minutes – try to go to sleep.
7) For nausea, have room-temperature seltzer water with a good dash of black cherry concentrate by your bed.  Sip this until the nausea subsides.  Also, do alternate nostril breathing.

DAY 3:
1) Immediately on rising, take third dose of Epsom salts and follow with lukewarm lemon water.
2) Two hours later, take fourth (and last) dose of Epsom salts and follow with lukewarm lemon water.
3) Two hours later, you can eat.  Stick to vegetables and juices.  Don’t eat any heavy proteins or fats.  The next day you can return to nearly normal eating (just take it easy).

PolyFlora is a must in the follow-up -- take it twice daily on the day after the flush and for two weeks afterward, to help things return to normal.


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I think the flush was beneficial to me at the time (I did 5-6 over a couple of years), but it is disruptive to the system and I think it might have made me susceptible to candida overgrowth


Oh my God, I'm so sorry to hear that ... I will NOT be doing a liver flush !!
Actually that wasn't my intention to begin with; I just wanted to better my digestion and get rid of this frustrating burping that happens even NOW that I've been compliant for a month ... Grrrrr

However; I will keep Heidi's flush instructions just incase, I appreciate it immensley

I think the best thing for me to do in the near futire is probably the The Stomach Health Protocol from Dr.D'Adamo or Chinese Bitters (to purge and detoxifies my liver) and Gold Coin Grass (to helps crush and soften gallstones. )

Thank-u again Whimsical


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I just wanted to better my digestion and get rid of this frustrating burping that happens even NOW that I've been compliant for a month ... Grrrrr


A mere month?  I think you are expecting too much change in too short a time.  While I'm sure you have achieved a lot in a month, it will take longer for your digestion to be optimal.  Doing protocols and staying compliant will definitely help, but you can't cheat time!  


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A mere month?  I think you are expecting too much change in too short a time.  While I'm sure you have achieved a lot in a month, it will take longer for your digestion to be optimal.  Doing protocols and staying compliant will definitely help, but you can't cheat time!  


Whimsical, u r so right ... Patience is a virtue, TY  


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Lisalea,

I personally think that you have nothing to lose with the liver cleanse.   It may disrupt the digestive system for a day or two, but the benefits of cleaning your liver of gallstones and toxins outweigh any unpleasant side-effects by FAR, in my opinion.  At least for me, I could not get any relief from my candida problems and digestive ailments, even at 100% compliance, until I started doing the cleanses.    


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Lisalea,

I personally think that you have nothing to lose with the liver cleanse.   It may disrupt the digestive system for a day or two, but the benefits of cleaning your liver of gallstones and toxins outweigh any unpleasant side-effects by FAR, in my opinion.  At least for me, I could not get any relief from my candida problems and digestive ailments, even at 100% compliance, until I started doing the cleanses.    


Really ???

May I ask what digestive ailments u were experiencing ??
What bothers me the MOST is the burping !!
I just can't figure out why and where it comes from  

Thank-u very much  


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hmmm  I don't think that we do really need those flushes, it will sustain more my compulsive need of being * clean inwards*  if you get your daily lecithin so far no problems with those stones; and merely Bt. A is prone to produce those stones, if I'd understood it well

I guess that your burpings might come from *being aerophague* or just not enough of pancreatic enzymes for a good digestion, so far perhaps easier to follow some suggs. right here
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Right, and Type O non-secretors are more prone to alcoholism than type As, but does that mean that there aren't any type A alcoholilcs?   And As are more prone to cancer than type Os, but that doesn't mean that you can't get cancer if you're an O.     Isa is right, you might not need the gallbladder flush.  You both tend to be healthier than the other blood types and don't usually worry as much about these kind of things.  However, there is no doubt whatsoever that doing the liver cleanses was the key to recovering my health.  I was to a point where I could hardley eat anything, and I felt so weak I didn't even want to get out of bed.   Lisalea, you were asking about my ailments...  it was mostly that-  the weakness, the horrible candida overgrowth, heartburn, bloating, inflammation of the liver, and brain fog.   Anyway, just trying to relate my humble experience.  I'm no doctor though.  (yet)


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Right, and Type O non-secretors are more prone to alcoholism than type As, but does that mean that there aren't any type A alcoholilcs?   And As are more prone to cancer than type Os, but that doesn't mean that you can't get cancer if you're an O.     Isa is right, you might not need the gallbladder flush.  You both tend to be healthier than the other blood types and don't usually worry as much about these kind of things.  However, there is no doubt whatsoever that doing the liver cleanses was the key to recovering my health.  I was to a point where I could hardley eat anything, and I felt so weak I didn't even want to get out of bed.   Lisalea, you were asking about my ailments...  it was mostly that-  the weakness, the horrible candida overgrowth, heartburn, bloating, inflammation of the liver, and brain fog.   Anyway, just trying to relate my humble experience.  I'm no doctor though.  (yet)




I really appreciate ur input and am VERY happy that things have worked out really well for u after the flush !!
Wishing u great healthy always


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Bt. A is prone to produce those stones, if I'd understood it well  


Hi, I was wondering what: " Bt. A " means

Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
I guess that your burpings might come from *being aerophague*

Hmmm not sure about that since I've never had this problem before !!

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not enough of pancreatic enzymes for a good digestion

Really??
I didn't realized that burping was a symptom of NOT having not enough of pancreatic enzymes for a good digestion  
I will have to research that further it seems ...

Thanks for ur input and suggestions  


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Ingredients: Chinese Gentian,
Are these ok for my bloodtype

Has anybody ever taken them?


Gentian is recommended in LR for blood type A's to increase our naturally low stomach acid production.

Unlisted herbs are treated as neutral, but I would use caution with any unrated herb/medicine.

I believe I have performed two or three liver flushes several years ago, without using any special supplements.  I only utilized epsom salts, organic extra virgin olive oil, and either fresh fresh squeezed lemon or grapefruit.

From my recollection, the stones that were released were small and not plentiful.


Alia


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I only utilized epsom salts, organic extra virgin olive oil, and either fresh fresh squeezed lemon or grapefruit.


Hi,

Come to think about it I add a couple tablespoons of Olive oil on a daily basis to my meals; hence that's the equivalence of a mini liver daily, since it's a good oil versus a bad one;  I also eat carrots, beets and sweet potato twice per week; seems to me that I'm eating lots of liver strenghtening foods on a weekly basis ... maybe I'll just have to be patient a little while longer and pray that all this burping STOPS all together with this BTD !!

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From my recollection, the stones that were released were small and not plentiful.



Oh that's great; Lucky u !!!  

Thank-u Alia_Vo


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I am not cognizant of your current health challenges, but if you stay highly compliant on this lifestyle and put an emphasis on liver toning and detoxification foods, you will start to feel better.  

There are several liver and detoxification supplements available through NAP.  You may want to try The Supplement Determinator to discover what is recommended to you:
http://www.dadamo.com/ingrediator/determinator.htm


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Come to think about it I add a couple tablespoons of Olive oil on a daily basis to my meals; hence that's the equivalence of a mini liver daily, since it's a good oil versus a bad one;  


Not really...  That is just normal fat digestion and will not flush stones out of the gall bladder.

The way the flush works is that you first fast without fat for a couple of days to clear it out of your system and basically halt the release of bile from the gall bladder (because bile is used to emulsify the fat you eat).  Then you drink epsom salts to relax the ducts of the gall bladder, thus dilating them.  Then you drink a whole bunch of oil which stimulates a big release of bile from the gall bladder and you hope that jump starting the release of bile while the ducts are open will also release any stones in the gall bladder.  Theses stones will then be eliminated from the body.

The reason this flush also helps the liver is that the liver and gallbladder work closely together.  The liver produces bile, which is stored in the gall bladder until needed.  A congested gall bladder (full of stones) can also congest the liver and make it work harder to do it's job.  If your gall bladder is relatively stone-free, fat digestion is far easier and more efficient.

Bile is made from cholesterol and the only way to eliminate it from the body is via the stool.  If you are not releasing enough bile during digestion, it will remain in the gall bladder.  Since your body uses cholesterol to make it (and can recycle bile, BTW), eliminating more bile through healthy fat digestion can help lower serum cholesterol, since it will be reuptaken by the liver to replace eliminated bile.  Fibre helps to increase bile elimination by binding it to stools to be eliminated.


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