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chaton94
Thursday, February 1, 2007, 6:32am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hello i wrote about  coleu in french forum : http://translate.google.com/tr.....ev=%2Flanguage_tools

I wrote many questions there, have you got answers?
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Thursday, February 1, 2007, 5:29pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I tried to read the information in the French forum, but I am not sure what your questions are about Coleus (Coleus forskohlii)?

Could you be more specific about what your questions are about Coleus (Coleus forskohlii) here?


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no Chaton,
coleus is not to combat stress in vegetarian Os but to help a vegetarian O replenish what they lack
physiologically from eating a vegetable based diet.
Pro- Mitokon has coleus, and is also advised in the fatigue protocol

http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/nap/archives/00000025.htm


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Hello, I could'nt  conecter during 2 days because my count chaton 94 was removed


The questions:

I found 2 products “coleus” in France!
1: Powders of Coleus Forskohlii 210 Mg, extract of Coleus Forskohlii titrated to 10%, gélule of vegetable origin: 90 Mg; 60 gélules of origin vegetable proportioned to 280 Mg. Weight net: 21,3 G.
2: Each vegetable capsule contains 100 Mg of extract of Coleus forskohlii standardized to bring 10% of forskoline.

Are proportionings of these 2 products good?

The coleus must be taken with jeun,at the meal (one await 1/2. 00 to eat for example) or right before the meals and why?

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Coleus forskholii largely showed its properties in the muscular reinforcement (cardiac, in particular) and the improvement of arterial blood flow.


I do not include/understand this last sentence is not such step in contradiction with:
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Do not take any if you suffer from cardiac arrhythmia (irregular ventricular beats).


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forskoline is the active ingredient of the roots of the plant Coleus forskohlii. Not only it has a greaseproof potential, but it can also dilate the blood vessels and reinforce the testosterone secretion. All these benefit result from the capacity of this plant to activate the adénylate cyclase, enzyme which raises the intercellular rate of camp (molecule which orders various biochemical reactions in the body): that helps the testicles to produce testosterone.


could there be side effects at a woman because of testosterone?

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I doubt it since women have testoterone too, tho in lesser amounts, and since it is natural I doubt it would overburden ones balance...
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if you are a blood type O woman, and have been a vegetarian for long, it will help your condition.

tell us about your health issues, so we can help.


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chaton95
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Hello, thanks for answers; i haven't been a vegetarian for long but i eat meat only 5 times per week because organic meat is expensive and i have also problem withe my articultions...
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it might be wise for you to follow the arthritis advice from the foodlists in that book.
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED042

and try supplementing with the help of the arthritis protocol
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/7.html


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chaton95
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Thanks lola

but one there is no book in french
and 2 protocole is to expensive for me and it's to diffuclt to buy it in france!

i prefer buy good organic aliment also expensive!

but you didn't answers my questions

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Are proportionings of these 2 products good?

The coleus must be taken with jeun,at the meal (one await 1/2. 00 to eat for example) or right before the meals and why?

I do not include/understand this last sentence is not such step in contradiction with...


could there be side effects at a woman because of testosterone?


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Quoted from D'Adamo Health Protocols - Fatigue Support Protocols
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/15.html
BLOOD GROUP O
Coleus (Coleus forskohlii), 150 mg: 1 capsule, twice daily

The same recommendation is made in the Fatigue book.
Quoted from D'Adamo Health Protocols - Cardiovascular Health Support Protocols
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/15.html
BLOOD GROUP O
Coleus (Coleus forskohlii), standardized extract, 125 mg: 1 capsule, twice daily

The recommendation in the Cardiovascular Disease book is for standardized extract, 125 mg, once daily. It is probably a good idea to use a product that has been standardized.

What is "jeun"?

I think the reference that you got the concern about testosterone from was a body building site. They were using testosterone as an example of a horomone that might be effected by adenylate cyclase which coleus activates. The point is made more generally below is that adenylate cyclase may effect many hormone precesses in the body.
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Forskolin, a chemical found in coleus, activates the enzyme adenylate cyclase. [J Cyclic Nucleotide Res 1981;7: pp.201-24 (review)] This enzyme is a turnkey compound that initiates a cascade of critical events within every cell of the body. Adenylate cyclase and the chemicals it activates comprise a “second messenger” system that is responsible for carrying out the complex and powerful effects of hormones in the body. Stimulation of the second messenger system by forskolin leads to blood vessel dilation [Stroke 1986;17: pp.1299-303], inhibition of allergic reactions [Agents Actions 1986;18: pp.96-9] and an increase in thyroid hormone secretion. [Exp Cell Res 1990;172: pp.282-92] Forskolin has other properties as well, including inhibition of the pro-inflammatory substance known as platelet-activating factor (PAF) [Eur J Pharmacol 1993;245: pp.55-61] and inhibition of the spread of cancer cells. [Int J Cancer 1983;32: pp.801-4]


I would suggest that you try to research coleus at non body building sites too.


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chaton95
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hello Mo don thanks for answers

about building sites, Brian Rowley: licence in dietetics and control in neuro-muscular physiology and pharmacology, carried out research within the framework of its doctorate of State in biochemistry, i'm ok we can find bad things...but this person seems to have lot of competences!

jeun is in the morning before breakfeast at least 1/2 hours!
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...but this person seems to have lot of competences!

That may be true, but if his focus is on body building then he may only be presenting the information that applies to body building, as I previously suggested.



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