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just make sure there are no avoids reading the ingredient list.
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As long as its Enteric-Coated... Just curious what the ingredients really say...It appears these products are sold in Pyramid schemes without releasing this info.
Besides, the Bromalain which casn be used by all groups {from the Health Protocols}.
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(p) pancreas * Daily value not established. ** Percent Daily Values based on a 2,000 calorie diet. *** From dried purified aqueous extracts. ? FIP-unit is the measurement of enzyme activity according to the test methods of the Federation Internationale Pharmaceutique
I've lots of clients (mostly A + B's with heavy reactions on that stuff) ....
that'swhy I am recommending the pancreatic and or enzymes of Natural Factor's, much cheaper and amazingly in their works but even here on plants' basicly
Q: Are there any animal-derived products in Wobenzym? A: Wobenzym contains three enzymes (trypsin, chymotrypsin, pancreatin) derived from bovine and porcine sources.
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Dewdrop, I was addressing widespread inflammation caused by the chemotherapy I went through about 4 1/2 years ago. . . all interior mucous membranes, nasal, lungs, throat, stomach, intestines, vagina, anus. Plus joints, eyes, gums, etc. Needless to say, non-secretors don't do so well with chemicals!
ps. . All those problems are totally cleared up now.
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(p) pancreas * Daily value not established. ** Percent Daily Values based on a 2,000 calorie diet. *** From dried purified aqueous extracts. † FIP-unit is the measurement of enzyme activity according to the test methods of the Federation Internationale Pharmaceutique
does anyone know if any of the following ingredients in Wobenzym are bad for O Secretors?
I'm wondering about the Corn Polysaccharides... what is this and how can it harm?
Is it used as a binder for this product or???
Since it is from corn, the main question is does it contain the corn lectin? If it does then it is be an avoid for the same reason that corn is an avoid.
Have you tried contacting the company and asking them about it? Although, I don't expect them to be able to answer any questions about the corn lectin content.
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I've been using a proteolytic enzyme from "Natural Factors", double strength "Zymactive". No corn in this one. Check it out. http://www.naturalfactors.com/search.asp?mode=cat&cat=49 I have taken Wobenzym in the past and was not pleased. Actually kind of messed with my stomach. I even used the enteric coating one. No complaints with Zymactive.
Yah.. you have to take it on a completely empty stomach. Even a little tea in your tummy will mess up the coating and then the enzymes will break down in your tummy and ouch!
dear Karen, I worked with the whole entire stuff of Natural Factors and they are just amazing, much better then wobenzyme;because here it will work with the digesting stuffs look at http://www.natvd.com and here prices are even better ... I take the complete megazyme to every bigger meal and no bloating nor gasses anymore....and I feel much better ...good luck to U
Yes, Isa. It's a great product and a very good company too.
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What are the differences in Wobenzym and this Repair product?
I'd still say, due to costs and availabilities, that at least some of the ingredients are still corn derivatives...
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about the coating in wobenzyme.... not much people from my praxis were able to support that so I changed it to several other products from N.F and all went well ....just great those stuffs but helas, I am only allowed to recommend em, no more giving them to my clients
I am taking the 'Systemic Enzymes' for my joint pain and muscle aches from my Fibromyalgia issues. Systemic Enzymes are different than digestive enzymes. Below is some info. I found that you all might find interesting.
Why Take Systemic Enzymes?
Digestive Enzymes vs. Systemic Enzymes Digestive enzymes conduct their actions in the stomach to digest food while systemic enzymes are enterically coated to prevent contact with the stomach acid. This way they pass through the stomach into the intestines where they are absorbed by the body.
The primary function of systemic enzymes Systemic enzymes fight inflammation, fibrosis (scar tissue), and viruses; modulate the immune system; and cleanse the blood.
Systemic Enzyme Ingredients
Proteolytic Enzyme (Protease) The term "proteolytic" refers to all enzymes that digest protein. Other classes of enzymes include Amylase, a digestive enzyme that breaks down carbohydrates, and Lipase, a digestive enzyme that breaks down fat during the digestive process. Each of these help in the digestion of food, which in turn helps with absorption of those essential nutrients in the diet. In the body, proteolytic digestive enzymes are produced in the pancreas, but supplemental forms of enzymes may come from fngal or bacterial sources, extraction from the pancreas of livestock animals (trypsin/chymotrypsin) or extraction from plants (such as papain from the papaya and Bromelain from pineapples). The primary uses of proteolytic enzymes in dietary supplements are used as digestive enzymes, anti-inflammatory agents, and pain relievers.
There are a number of clinical trials showing the benefit of using oral proteolytic enzymes as a digestive aid. Proteolytic enzymes are also theorized to help reduce symptoms of food allergies, and as a treatment for rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune diseases.
Perhaps the strongest evidence for benefits of proteolytic enzyme supplements come from numerous European studies showing various enzyme blends to be effective in accelerating recovery from exercise and injury in sportsmen as well as tissue repain in patients following surgery. In one study of footballers suffering from ankle injuries, proteolytic enzyme supplements accerlerated healing and got players back on the field about 50% faster than athletes assigned to receive a placebo tablet. 1 A handful of other small trials in athletes have shown enzymes can help reduce inflammation, speed healing of bruises and other tissue injuries (including fractures), and reduce overall recovery time when compared to athletes taking a placebo. 2-3 In patients recovering from facial and various reconstructive sugeries, treatment with proteolytic enzymes significantly reduced swelling, bruising and stiffness compared to placebo groups. 9-11
Serrapeptase Serrapeptase, also known as Serratia peptidase, is a proteolytic enzyme isolated from the non-pathogenic enterobacteria Serratia E15. The enzyme is found naturally in the intestine of the silkworm, which is used by the silkworm to dissolve the cocoon and emerge as a moth. When consumed in unprotected tablets or capsules, the enzyme is destroyed by acid in the stomach. However, when enterically coated, the enzyme is destroyed by acid in the stomach. However, when enterically coated, the enzyme passes through the stomach unchanged and can be absorbed by the intestine.
It has many clinical uses, including as an anti-inflammatory agent (particularly for post traumatic swelling), for fibrocystic breast disease, and for bronchitis (serrapeptase loosens and expels mucous).
Serrapeptase digests dead tissue, blood clots, cysts, and arterial plaque. The late German physician Dr. Hans Nieper used serrapeptase to treat arterial blockage in his coronary patients. Clinical studies show that serrapeptase induces fibrinolytic, anti-inflammatory and anti-edemic (prevents swelling and fluid retention) activity in a number of tissues, and that its anti-inflammatory effects are superior to other proteolytic enzymes. 12 Besides reducing inflammation, one of serrapeptase's most profound benefits is reduction of pain, due to its ability to block the release of pain-inducing amines from inflamed tissues. 13 Physicians throughout Europe and Asia have recognized the anti-inflammatory and pain-blocking benefits of this naturally occurring substance, and are using it in treatment as an alternative to salicylates, ibuprofen, and other NSAIDS. 14
Bromelain and Papain Both Bromelain and Papain are plant-derived proteolytic enzymes. Bromelain, also known as bromelin, is a protein-digesting enzyme extracted from the flesh and stem of the pineapple plant, Ananas Comosus. Papain is a proteolytic enzyme isolated fromthe papaya plant, Carica Papaya. Bromelain is most notable for its effectiveness in the reduction of inflammation and decreasing swelling, but the scope of its benefits continues to increase. As a natural anti-inflammatory enzyme, bromelain has many uses. Arthritis patients may reduce the swelling that causes joint pain by taking bromelain. Bromelain may also be helpful for the pain, numbness, tingling, aching and loss of motor and sensory function in the fingers resulting from carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS). 15, 16 Prevention of the adhesiveness of platelets to endothelial cell walls was accomplished with 0.1 mcg/ml of Bromelain. 16a Thus the benefti of bromelain occurs over a broad range of doses, and even small amounts may be beneficial to anyone at risk to thrombotic heart attack or stroke. Papain has been shown to be effective in preventing burn wound infection and helping remove dead cells. 17
Papain is also used for defibrinating wounds in hopitals, preventing cornea scar deformation, treating jellyfish and insect stings, treating edemas and inflammatory processes, accelerating wound healing, for indigestion, dissolving membranes in diphtheria, treating ulcers, and to reduce fever, swelling and adhesions after surgery.
Amla Also known as Indian gooseberry (Emblica officinalis) is the richest source of Vitamin C. The Vitamin C in Amla is from the Rutin family, and there is about 50 mg per System Enzyme capsule. It also contains tannic acid, glucose, protein, cellulose and Calcium. Amla is useful for stomach problems, it is antipyretic, hair tonic and nerve brain tonic. It is also useful in anemia, hyperacidity and in gynecological problems and epistaxis. Amla is considered to have restorative and preventative properties.
Rutin Rutin is one of the many existing Flavonoids, which are a class of water-soluble plant pigments. Flavonoids support health by strengthening capillaries and other connective tissue, and some function as anti-inflammatory, antihistaminic, and antiviral agents. Rutin and several other flavonoids may also protect blood vessels. Rutin was shown to stimulate wound healing in rats and augment the tensile strength of scar tissue significantly. 18
So in this regard, the 'Natural Factors' Double Strength Zymactive Proteclytic Enzymes with Serrapeptase would be the ticket for me. I'm going to try this one for sure instead of Wobenzym. I'm just really afraid now of the Corn stuff in Wobenzym. It could be contributing to my symptoms for sure!
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Mr. Michael Lee ;might have something to do with the enzymes you mention LisaLea.
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Isa recommends them highly .....my guess is ,yes!
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I take 1 digest with each meal. I don't really know if there are any implications if you take it non-stop. I have a sensitive digestion and it seems to really help my comfort level, so I keep taking it.
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I take 1 digest with each meal. I don't really know if there are any implications if you take it non-stop. I have a sensitive digestion and it seems to really help my comfort level, so I keep taking it.
Oh OK ... I just hope it doesn't hurt u in the long run !!
A naturopath once told me to NEVER take anything longterm withOUT taking breaks ... just thought I would let u know
LisaLea, Actually I totally agree with you about taking things long term without a break. I am working on stopping a lot of my supplements and rotating them. Thanks for the reminder.
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LisaLea, Actually I totally agree with you about taking things long term without a break. I am working on stopping a lot of my supplements and rotating them. Thanks for the reminder.
U r very welcome and I'm so glad that u will do that !!
I took wobenzyme for several months when I hurt my shoulder and had rotator cuff inflammation but it did no good. No harm either. Just didn't feel any different. I've since tried Inflazyme Forte for joint aches and pains and it really upset my stomach and caused a lot of gas so I got off of it after three days. For digesting food I would like to find a good enzyme. I just buy whatever when I am out shopping and I always seem to come up with a different brand.
Being an O Non...and looking for an enzyme to take with my meals for bloating and gas, would the "digest" from Enzymedica, or the "multi enzyme" from Natural Factors work best for me? Any input would be appriciated, thank you.
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