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KevinNJ05
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I think that the vitamin levels are to low in the Nap products, though they are definitely superior in quality to anything I have ever taken.  I follow the diet and I eat a lot of vegitables on the diet.  Over the last month I have been having chest tightness and shortness of breath.  I went through a nuclear stress test and My cardiologist said that there was nothing wrong with my heart.  I noticed that after supplementing with 500 mg of vitamin C, 60 mg of coenzyme Q-10, and 400 mg of vitamin E, that the tightness in my chest reduced and eventually went away.  Now I am stuck choosing between Nap and regualr vitamins.  I really think that DaDamo should formulate a higher potency multivitamin.  All I would like to see is much higher levels of antioxidants added to the formula.  I would be willing to pay extra for the extra superior nutrition.  I have had 500 mg of crappy vitmain C make me feel better.  This makes me wonder how I would feel after taking 500 mg of DaDamo's vitamin C.  If he can't change the multivitamin then he should formulate a high potency Antioxidant.  I am sure that it would be a great seller.  In todays polluted world the body needs high levles of antioxidants to mop up the high amounts of free radicals.   PS Let me know what you eveyone thinks of this idea, thanks.

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how about you email NAP with your suggestion?
they might have an answer for you....


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A's according to Dr D do not do well on high doses of Vitamin C...anything over 250mg at a time is too much because it tends to upset their stomachs(maybe not the case for you). Also not all vitamin C is equal...if it's made from a corn derivative then for us it's low grade...if it's made from acerola berries then it's high grade...I would rather have a low dose high grade Vitamin C over a higher dose low grade variant any day.



In regards to Vitamin E...Dr D recommends no more than 400mg a day and also in divided doses


Lastly don't look at Dr D's capsule size...look at the serving size a day...Dr D's Polyvite A has 150mg of Vitamin C per capsule and a recommended serving size is four capsules per day so that is 600mg of Vitamin C (acerola berries) per day...it has 50Iu of vitamin E in each capsule x 4 is 200ui a day which is well over daily recommended allowances and remember Vitamin E is fat soluble so any excess does not flush out with your urine like Vitamin C does so a little caution is required.

As for Q-10 he has 5mg in Polyvite A x 4 = 20mg recommended  a day

Polyvite A sells for 36.95 for 120 capsules so a daily recommended dose of 4 capsules cost you $1.23 a day(price of a coffee at Dunkin Donuts) and it comes with 27 other ingredients not mentioned here that are good for A types



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that s what I call; 'knowing your NAP supplements'!!!  
great post Mike!


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Lastly don't look at Dr D's capsule size...look at the serving size a day...Dr D's Polyvite A has 150mg of Vitamin C per capsule and a recommended serving size is four capsules per day so that is 600mg of Vitamin C (acerola berries) per day.

According to the label on the NAP website Polyvite A has 150mg of Vitamin C per serving, which is defined as 4 capsules.
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...it has 50Iu of vitamin E in each capsule x 4 is 200ui a day which is well over daily recommended allowances and remember Vitamin E is fat soluble so any excess does not flush out with your urine like Vitamin C does so a little caution is required.

According to the label on the NAP website Polyvite A has 50mg of Vitamin E per serving, which is defined as 4 capsules.
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As for Q-10 he has 5mg in Polyvite A x 4 = 20mg recommended  a day

According to the label on the NAP website Polyvite A has 5mg of CoQ10 per serving, which is defined as 4 capsules.



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Mike,

I think there is a large problem here.  Nowhere is it assumed that any multi-vit (not only NAPs) are formulated to meet a specific requirement, that may indeed require a higher dose.

The multi is for overall functioning ... for cardiac support, additional zinc. vitamin E, taurine, CopQ10, magnesium, and L-carnitine may be most helpful.  As would daily stress relief and visualization  ... (and for you) Type A exercise.

John


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So, do any of you take additional supplements besides Nap products.  If so, what companies do you get your supplements from and what do you take?  

All I know is that if I only take the cluster pack for type A I begin to feel weak and tightness in my chest returns.  I have also been fighting candida for many years.  I worry if it could do damage to my heart and other vital organs like my liver.  I just don't know what to do anymore ( in terms of supplementation)

What really pisses me off is that oxygen kills fungus and virusis, but the government won't allow research into oxygne therapies to see how effective such treatments could be.  

Imagine a different world such as this: Hi Doc I have candida.  No problem, will just hook you up to our FDA approved oxygne machine and it will be gone if a few hours.  Thanks Doc, I'm so happy that I spent all that money on insurance it has really paid off.  Ahhh now thats the world I wish I lived in.
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Hi KevinNJ05,

Before you get too angry at medical-blindness, understand that our bodies are a lot more complex an organisation than any of us understand.  A few weeks ago, MoDon even showed us why candida may be a 'good' thing to have.  [Apparently gut candida often binds mercury and thus prevents much further damage to nerves.]

for a long time, oxygen has been touted as the inexpensive answer to many viral & fungal problems.  Things are just not so simple.  There are all kinds of questions surrounding oxygen use.  V. Frolov 'Endogenous Breathing: medicine for the third millennium' http://www.intellectbreathing.com/history.en.php?PHPSESSID=d0ac75ecfeaf5d76ac755e27e0ebea8c developed a whole new style of breathing to double human lifespan .... and he radically departs from the common understanding re. oxygen utilization.

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I was going to ask you about candida before you mentioned it.  I was just thinking this morning that when I had it (and had not balanced my digestive enzymes etd.), I did not feel the NAP vitamins etc. were doing enough.  Now, in good balance again re: the critters below, they seem just fine.  In fact, more than fine--excellent.  I do use a software program that tracks what I eat (which I have customized to include polyvite).  About once a week, I take a vitamin E capsule.  "Before" I both took (and I think needed) more vitamin E.  The point is simply that we keep changing, and as we get better, we use the food or supplements we take more efficiently.  So keep reviewing your options!  
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right, better absorption in a healthy system.


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I think that if I did not have Candida that Nap products would meet all of my requirements.  I just don't know what exactly to do to get rid of it.  I am taking a drug called Dyflucan and if that does not work then I will visist Dr DaDamo.  I'm sure he has a few tricks up his sleeve for dealing with Candida.
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Do you have amalgam/silver fillings Kevin?  There is a symbiotic relationship between the candida and mercury/silver/amalgam fillings, where, the candida actually protects you from the harmful mercury vapors that the fillings give off.


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Kevin,
advice given by Dr D to another A candida sufferer:
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You are best served by the diet correct for your type, even if it conflicts with the "conventional wisdom" as regards to a particular disease. It optimizes your immunity, which is how one should best deal with a susceptibility issue. You can use some of the classic immune enhancing herbs, such as echinacea or astragalus to help tune up your immune system. Another herb which can be beneficial is Chinese Wormwood (Artemesia annua) which can help flush the organisms out of the system.

Peter


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And the BTD Encyclopdia has good protocols for dealing with yeast (candida).  And then, personally, I found Candex to be wonderful (but not alone--you need to do all the other stuff).  I now use Candex like Deflect--in case I am marooned someplace and the diet slips and I feel it all coming on again, nearly guaranteed if I gain weight.  It can nip the imbalance before it gets out of hand.
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KevinNj05, about this tightness un yiur chest, do you have asthma?  It can come on at any age, mine came on at around 30 yr old. It comes and goes, but once I thought it was aheart attack...since it was so tight in my chest but no wheezing....found out it was asthma....used the proper inhalers and it slowly healed...now I use no inhalers until I need them....hopefully I can keep it from showing up again by caring for my adrenals and sleeping well and the BTD.
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I thought the tightess was a heart problem.  I took a nuclear stress test which showed no problems.  I am concerned that the Candida is causing a stess on my hear and that could cause heart problems in the future.  I read somewhere that Echinacea can program the immune system to recognize and kill Candida is this true?  As for the mercury I do have a few fillings but not a lot.  I plan on getting them out.
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Tightness is not a heart problem unless you have a heart problem, if you know what I mean.  There are lots of reasons why a person's chest might feel tight, including stress (and stress leading to shallow breathing).  That one is not particularly dangerous, you just need to sort out the stress/breathing issues.  Asthma is another situation (as noted above).  I never tried echinacea for candida.  Do you have any weight issues?  That is another way to attack the candida issue--to balance out.  Any significant overweight is a strong "support" for candida.  
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