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slyparrot
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How many women out there have problems with the pill?  My last experience included acne, weight gain (10 pounds in 6 weeks) and I was extremely cold.  I think it messed up my thyroid levels.  Oh, and my mood.... instead of being happy and zesty full of life, I felt dull and moody.  My cycles got all messed up too.  It took 4 months for my body to feel normal again, get back into sync and lose weight after stopping them.

Does anyone recommend a specific pill?  I have read on the net that different artifical hormones can cause different reactions.  My thyroid pills are similiar, they each have a different effect.  I'm not too sure when or if I can go thru that again.  Any success stories??


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I have just been on them for a bit over a year and finally decided to get off them. Im hypothyroid and was placed on them to get my periods under control so I wouldnt loose so much blood and have them for so long 9 to 11 days. I was having Iron anemia, very badly and I was just diagnosed with hypothyroidism and it took me a long time to get things balanced again. I didnt really have that many issues with the one I took Yasmin. If you want you could try that one but I think that Os and to a lesser extent A's were warned by doctor D. to not take Birth Control Pills in Live Right For Your Type. I recently made a personal decision to stop taking them because I was worried about adverse health effects from taking them for a long period of time and my sex drive was nonexistent on them but now that Im off them (less then 1 month) its nonexistent too. I will just have to give my body time to readjust and also to get my thyroid levels back to normal. Just do whats right for your body, the Pill may not be your best bet.
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How many women out there have problems with the pill?  My last experience included acne, weight gain (10 pounds in 6 weeks) and I was extremely cold.  I think it messed up my thyroid levels.  Oh, and my mood.... instead of being happy and zesty full of life, I felt dull and moody.  My cycles got all messed up too.  It took 4 months for my body to feel normal again, get back into sync and lose weight after stopping them.

Does anyone recommend a specific pill?  I have read on the net that different artifical hormones can cause different reactions.  My thyroid pills are similiar, they each have a different effect.  I'm not too sure when or if I can go thru that again.  Any success stories??


Hi,

I'm so sorry to hear that u're having problems with the birthcontrol pill  

I have been using Tricyclen for the past 11 years and haven't had any problems really and it also helps with acne it seems ...

Take a look
http://www.orthotricyclen.com/acne/acnehome.html

I really hope that u find one that works for you.
Take care



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The loss of sex drive happened with me too.  Before the pill I was a, well, hot-to-trot girl but the pill killed any and ALL of my sex drive.  It took months off the pill to get that back too.  My LR4YT books are loaned out to friends right now so I can't look up the info about O's not taking the pill.  No wait, one of them got returned because she purchased her own copy.  I'll get back with you guys on this.

LisaLea-
Lucky you, glad you can take them.  I never had acne issues ever until I went on the pill.  My face cleared up after about 4 months after stopping the pill.  Oh, and it felt like food just sat in my stomach for hours after eating along with a funky full but hungry appetite.

This is interesting info to have.  I would like to see some blood type connection here.


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It is interesting to hear you have had the same issues too slyparrot. I had a wonderful sexdrive up till I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism and Iron Anemia at 25 and then put on the pill, and Im happy to know that it only took 4 months for your sex drive to return. Im trying to consume 1 cup of schizandria a day for 3 months to see if that helps, my parents have suggested that as they have found great success with that so we will see as I have just started taking it. I just finally got fed up with having no sex drive or desire and I do want to have a baby in the next 2 to 4 years and was worried about being on the pill for long periods of time making it harder to get pregnant.
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Yes, I believe the loss of sex drive is one of the listed side effects listed in the small print.  I too have hypothyroidism and anemia but mine is prenicious (b12.)  My thyroiditis seems to be gone now and I've lowered the dosage of my thyroid pills and feel fine. I'm gonna have blood work done soon to see what the ranges are but I am pretty in tune to my body and believe all is well.  

Does anyone know if the pill interferes with the thyroid?  I think it does because I was soooo cold, fat and sluggish on the pill.


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JamieB, soo good for you to have stopped the pill..
Esp. as you are a A nonnie. Your blood already has the tendency to be thicker, and the pill only adds up to that...

I am an A secretor and stopped taking the pill ages and ages ago...  
I was on the pill when I was 23. I took that d**n pill for only 1 year..
What a relief when I got off: mental clarity and getting rid of excess water.. pfff....

The pill is too much of hormonal interference.. Hey gals, there are other ways of contraception!! Like condoms...  
My ex didn't like that 'solution' at all but I stood firm in my decision: NO HORMONAL interference in my body!!
Such a right decision I made almost 30 years ago..
And mind you those pills 30 years ago were even worse than those nowadays..

Anyway, do not stress your body with chemicals every day for a few moments of pleasure every week/month ??? There are alternatives gals!!

Cocky

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Weeks, Months ??? I had to chuckle when I read it.  Sometimes I think unmarried women have more sex than happily married women.  I hear complaints from my friends so often. but that's another topic.
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Quoted from geminisue
Weeks, Months ??? I had to chuckle when I read it.  Sometimes I think unmarried women have more sex than happily married women.  I hear complaints from my friends so often. but that's another topic.



Yes, Geminisue, that is quite another topic....  
and I do not think I will start such a topic... due my introversion...  

But to react to your remark I cannot relate to that one...   I wish I could

Most important thing is to keep our bodies healthy and functioning...  

Right?????

Cocky  

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The pill is too much of hormonal interference...

Cocky, very succinctly and comprehensively put and I totally agree.  I beg of women to not take the pill.  There are other effective birth control methods that do not profoundly take over your hormonal controls and turn it all on its ear.  The pill is a very drastic measure if you think about it.  I read something once that has always stuck with me and I'm not even sure of the source but I think it might have been Peter Singer in "Animal Liberation", of all things, but anyway, whatever the source was, the paraphrase is that, when in doubt, one should look to nature and stick as close as possible to nature, as that way it is unlikely that you can go too far astray or wrong.  The pill turns nature on its ear.  That is usually not a good thing, as a general rule.

Why not use a method such as the diaphragm, which is safe and very effective when used as directed?

I wouldn't mess with my hormones.



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Yes Edna, no interference in our bodies.

My impression is that most of us women are always so willing to comply and thus violate our health..

Just imagine what guys would do when asked to take a pill for the same purpose???
They would say NO, is my humble impression..

My ex suggested I would undergo sterilization after my 3rd baby.
Can you imagine???
I said NO... My 'belly' has had enough the endure....
I suggested to him he would have the sterilisation... NO way he replied...
See what I mean??

Cocky



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And have you all heard of the pills women can now take so they will only get a period once every 3 months or so?  I just can't see how that is smart at all - especially since our periods are designed to protect our bodies.  


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It seems that B's  r  the only types that can probably handle the pill then; by the looks of it ...

Any other B's that have been on the pill for many many years with no problems ??

and

Are there any B's  having problems or have had problems in the past and have had to STOP taking the pill because of it ??

Thanks everybody


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And have you all heard of the pills women can now take so they will only get a period once every 3 months or so?  I just can't see how that is smart at all - especially since our periods are designed to protect our bodies.  

I agree, nature built women in their child-bearing years to have periods, they are an intrinsic part of our design!  To totally subvert that with a pill for convenience is completely and utterly against nature and therefore obscene.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it!  I personally have learned that lesson the hard way in life, hence my choice of adding bold to it!

Why not just take a pill to stop from peeing and pooping and a pill to stop from ever crying or even feeling sad and a pill to make us sleep soundly and a pill to wake us up each morning?

In the words of the old margarine (of all things) commercial:

It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!

And, I would add, you do it at your own peril.

I would add something else that a Unitarian Universalist minister once said in a sermon and it stuck with me:

"Never destroy what you cannot create."



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Quoted from LISALEA
It seems that B's  r  the only types that can probably handle the pill then; by the looks of it ...

Any other B's that have been on the pill for many many years with no problems ??

and

Are there any B's  having problems or have had problems in the past and have had to STOP taking the pill because of it ??

Thanks everybody


I was on the pill for only 2 years and didn't notice any negative side effects...

But then, I was very young and out of touch with my body. I probably could've been hit by a truck and not notice!!



I don't remember why I went off the pill either... but I have not used it since.


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Quoted from Kristin
But then, I was very young and out of touch with my body. I probably could've been hit by a truck and not notice!!

I remember being at a baseball game with my friend, Stan, and asking him how the people in front of us could eat what they ate and be as skinny as rails.  I mean, they were up every half inning to go to the concession stands and return with all manner of pizza, "dippin' dots", cotton candy, hot pretzels, peanuts, popcorn, etc.  I just didn't see how I was sitting there, having walked in 95+-degree heat to get there, and drinking my little bottle of spring water, looking like a whale, and they were there eating enough food to end world hunger if it were evenly dispersed worldwide, yet they were skinny as rails!  Stan's response to my query on this was, and I quote:

"It's called being twenty."





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Quoted from LISALEA
It seems that B's  r  the only types that can probably handle the pill then; by the looks of it ...



I don't agree.  
It may be that there are B's who have taken the pill without OBVIOUS side effects, but that doesn't mean that it is a harmless practice.  Thousands of people eat avoids every day and don't think they are harming their bodies, until one day they discover what they have done to their health.
Interfering with our body's natural hormone rhythms is like playing with a poisonous snake.  (my opinion)



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In my experience, hormonal birth control is the only form of birth control I can count on to prevent pregnancy.  Condoms break & 'Plan B' doesn't always work as a backup... take if from someone who's been there.  It's miserable.

It's a bad situation to have to chose between your physical health and the health of your marriage, but after 2 years of trying alternatives to hormonal bc with a very supportive husband, I went back to it for the sake of my sex life.  Even if I do have a little extra weight and fatigue that I have to work extra hard on the other aspects of my health to balance out, I think it's worth it to feel secure that I will not have another unplanned pregnancy and that I can be spontaneous.

My recommendation if you have to choose hormonal is the Nuva ring.  It's a time released ring that you keep in for three weeks at a time and then take out to have your period.  It's extremely easy to manage, you only think about it twice a month.  It's also a much lower dosage because it's right at the source & the hormones don't have to cycle through your whole body either.  (Which gave me pseudo morning sickness for months at a time on the pill.)  I was extremely sensitive to the pill, I tried several kinds, both tri cycle and the same dosage all month and they all gave be trouble... especially the tri cycle ones... but I've never had the nausea problems I had with the pill since I switched to the ring and the weight gain and fatigue are much less.

But even so, I can't wait until we're at a point in our lives when my husband can get snipped   This is my ideal form of bc, we just have to wait until we can afford to have kids and then once we have them, I'm really looking forward to chucking the hormones!
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I am loving these insights!  Keep them coming!  As much as I don't want to use hormones, I am considering the ring now.  Or maybe even the diaphragm.  Unplanned pregnancies are not a good thing.  Like it was mentioned before, I too took the pill for years when I was younger and other than nausea thought I felt ok.  But after being in tuned with my body and I look back on it..... no way!  I just didn't know any better.


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for a better sexdrive take some more L'Arginine...works wonders for men and women
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Hi there girls!!! It's been great going through this thread, interesting to see all te different opinions on the matter... My case is lucky, I've been taking the pill for more that 13 years now, and thank God never had a problem with it, no nausea, no headaches, no acne, no bloating... Just some cellulite but I've always prefered this waaaaaaay over to an unwanted pregnancy!!! And then again, most of us females have it anyways, no?

I'll confess however that I can't wait to get off it (maybe I will when I get married, no plans in the near future though), I realize I'm interfering with my hormones and I'm starting to get some thoughts regarding the possibility of getting pregnant after I quit... I've heard different versions, some say that as soon as you quit you can practically become pregnant by breathing "sex", other say it takes a while for the body to get back to normal... Hope my case will be the first one though!!!

And now, I'm just thinking about the fact that I'm an A, and that it isn't really good to take the pill for my type... Any other A's out there that can share their experiences, provide advice? Thank you!!!

Anyways, going back to the initial question, and if it can be useful, the pill I take is called Marvelon in Latin America, and Practil in Europe, the lab that produces it is Organon. It's a light, low dose pill, my ginecologist recommended it to me because at the time it was the best pil for "young girls" in the market.

Very best to all, have a great weekend!!!

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For me, personally, the pill has been a blessing in many, many ways.  I have had to deal with horrid, irregular and extremely heavy periods for me entire life.  My periods can last for 2 full weeks.  I have somewhat extreme ovulations, too.  This means that I can often have only 1 "normal" week per cycle.

I went off of the pill several times in my life and have always gone back on it to regulate my periods.  As I have entered peri-menopause, I have found the pill that gives you 4 periods per year to be absolutely wonderful.

There are many thoughts about limiting the number of periods in a woman's life time.  For one thing, for millenia  women were pregnant or nursing for much of their fertile lives.  We didn't have nearly as many periods in our lifetimes as women do now and by having more periods we are having to make more and epithelial cells which are the prime cells for cancer potential.  By limiting the number of periods that we have, we might actually be limiting the opportunities for cancer.

From one article:

"Studies have shown, for example, that women who use oral contraceptives for five or more years reduce their risk of ovarian cancer by up to 50%. Each month during ovulation, epithelial cells on the surface of the ovaries rupture in order to release an egg. The cells then have to divide to repair the hole. But epithelial cells are exceedingly susceptible to cancer; the more they undergo this cycle of self-repair, the more likely they are to pick up a mutation that will lead to cancer.

"Although it has yet to be proven, Seasonale should offer the same protective effect against ovarian cancer that is provided by oral contraceptives currently in use," says Dr. Barbara Vanderhyden, an ovarian cancer researcher at the Ottawa Regional Cancer Centre."

Regardless of this potential health benefit, I see nothing healthful in dealing with the type of periods that I get.  Taking Seasonale has completely eliminated my perimenopausal symptoms and made my life much, much better.

FOR ME, that is healthy.


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It seems that B's  r  the only types that can probably handle the pill then; by the looks of it ...


NOOOOOOO

I have told this story before - but here it goes again.
When I was 20-21 I lived in Dublin: Contraception was really a bother to get- due to their strick catholic laws- and irish boys might be cute- but was in general really ignorate when it came to sex- so after a while I gave up on the condoms-
I had a steady boyfriend with no prior sexpartners....
Went to the doctor got checked - I was healthy. slim and fit for fight....
No history of blodclots in family etc...
Got on the pill- lost my interest in sex, had yeast infections, put on weight - and finally a blod clot in my arm.....
Doctors at the hospital told me to get off it straight away !
My blodpressure was suddely skyhigh- used to be perfect...
Today 14 years and a baby later- I am in no /lowrisk of blodclots - my blodpressure was a month ago: 115/70 - and I would never touch the pill again!!!

Ps And it was modern low dose pills.


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Most women who take the pill for years seem to be able to get pregnant when they stop.  The women in my family have not been so fortunate.  I took the pill for 1 year.  When I stopped the pill, my periods didn't come back.  It was 2 years before I was normal again.  Eventually I did have a baby.  A sister was on the pill for longer - 5 years, I guess.  Her hormones never recovered.  
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Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
for a better sexdrive take some more L'Arginine...works wonders for men and women


Thanks for this suggestion, Isa, and I have heard this before.  Have you had feedback from people who have used it and found it effective?

Since we were talking about L'Lysine on another thread, I was wanting to ask your opinion about herpes and L'Arginine.  I have heard something about too much Arginine stimulating the herpes virus and lysine suppresses it.  Do you ever see this happening in people using Arginine?



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Since we were talking about L'Lysine on another thread, I was wanting to ask your opinion about herpes and L'Arginine.  I have heard something about too much Arginine stimulating the herpes virus and lysine suppresses it.  Do you ever see this happening in people using Arginine?

I suggest you read the Ask Dr. D link in my post in the Fever Blister thread.



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I took birth control pills from the time I was 15 years old because I had irregular periods and was diagnosed with Stein Leventhal disease (now called polycystic ovary syndrome or PCOS). I always thought the mood swings were due to adolescence. I didn't have sex until I was 18 and used condoms then (married now).  They brought me such horrible headaches that I went off of them. Now that I know how at risk type A's are for thick blood I understand how BCPs had that effect on me.

My mom is a type B - I was conceived when she was on the pill - my sister always wondered if this had anything to do with my hormonal imbalance/PCOS.

When I was in Anatomy & Physiology class we tested out blood clotting times. Mine was 57 seconds. The expected range was 1 to 3 minutes.  

P.S. Both my husband and I take L-arginine 1000mg/day. It definately ups his sex libido but I cannot say the same.


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I suggest you read the Ask Dr. D link in my post in the Fever Blister thread.



Just what I needed to know.  Thanks Don!  
Funny how I missed that information when I read your link the first time.  Then, I was looking for the licorice information.  A good example of selective blindness!  



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Both my husband and I take L-arginine 1000mg/day. It definately ups his sex libido but I cannot say the same.



Well Zola I am not surprised that it doesn't increase your libido...

Icy in Seattle???

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Why are you not surprised, Cocky?  Do you find that Arginine does not work for women?



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Why are you not surprised, Cocky?  Do you find that Arginine does not work for women?


Victoria just joking!!!    Ice and libido do not go together, or am I wrong here??

I never tried Arginine, never needed it. But you never know in the future..
Well, let's see what happens in the near future.. I will deal with things in the right order..
Right now, no need to take Arginine or whatever to increase libido..

Who knows what will happen in the future.. !!!!

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Victoria, can only speak from my experiences with L'Arginin a good thingy to get some *envies* but I am an AB, so fine for my head too, to go against NO-losts
and no big deal for *heavy emotional disturbings* .....
yukkies but yup when some herpes shall be seen around NO arginine at all but lysine

about L.Arginin no adequate  victim to be seen anyway, so I stopped it

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Hi Isa,
I just re-read the link that MoDon provided.  Dr. D. said to not worry about Arginine messing with herpes.  He thinks it's more important to get enough Lysine, because Arginine actually strengthens the immune responses.



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hmmm can't be that d'accord don't think in such cases Arginine is something bene
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We've got a huge storm this week...hence the 'icy in seattle' Spent 5 hours getting home last night on the ice rink of highway (unharmed). [It normally takes 15 minutes to do this same distance.] My libido is fine but the arginine does not seem to increase it.

Arginine is supposed to increase men's "output" - whether this pertains to sperm or just the material they travel in I don't know.  


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My libido is fine but for the fun of it I tried L'Arginine and it made my ears ring even more than what they normally do.  Oh, and my blood pressure went up when I was on the pill.  I'm glad someone mentioned that.

Why can't guys just get themselves fixed???  


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my dad got himself fixed and had a difficult time with swelling/pain of the testicles off & on for years. not fun. I guess it's not always an easy road.  


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Eeewwww!  That's the first bad outcome I have heard about men getting their parts snipped.  What is the percentage/ratio of that happening vs. the percentage/ratio of problems with pills?  I think birth control pills should be made for men too since they (some of them) think it's so easy.  


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Yes, pills for men I second that solution!!!  

But.. I don't think they would be prepared to swallow such a pill every day, is my opinion..

Guess how many kids a couple would have if also guys could get pregnant and they decide alternately to get baby's??

Depends on who would start and deliver the first baby!!!

If the woman would start it they would have 3 kids.
If the guy starts they would end up with 2 kids... Right or wrong????

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Cockepelli -  I think after their first childbirth they would quit!  So yes, 2 kids unless the woman had the 2nd and 3rd.

Back to the bc pill issue.... I still can't decide!!!!!!!


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Back to the bc pill issue.... I still can't decide!!!!!!!


My opinion in this is not to mess with your hormones!
Just my humble opinion..  I still think condoms is a great alternative.. at least it was for me during more than 25 years relation with my ex.
I was absolutely determined when I was 24 years old not to go on with that bl**dy pill after 1 year of trial..

I am now soo glad I was so determined and listened so well to my body..  

We can advice you here on board, but you decide..

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I heard on the news that the new male birth control pill (don't know if it's available yet) but the way it works is the man takes the pill 4-5 hrs before having intercourse (the pill prevents the sperm from leaving the male and entering the female.

But how many males plan 4 or 5 hrs in advance that they want sex? lol
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But how many males plan 4 or 5 hrs in advance that they want sex? lol



Yep, you are right Geminisue!!!  

Unpredictable species those guys!!  

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That spontaneity is much of what makes "it" such a wonderful addition to relationships, so I would not want to schedule too closely either.  Who knows when?

But I agree with Cocky very much.  For young women to be messing with the delicate balance of your hormones can be creating future problems for yourselves that we don't even understand yet.  We're all still learning about the implications of imbalances and some of them are quite serious.



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Could you imagine all the guys in bars popping their pills planning to get lucky!  !  Haha!


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EquiPro, I could not imagine letting my body get only a few periods a year.  Have you noticed a difference in side effects in compared to the regular pills?

Another question to all.
Does estrogen compete with thyroid hormones?  I swear my thyroid levels took a dump when I was taking them.  Should have had them tested but they would have just increased my thyroid meds leaving me to more medications.  It seemed more logical to eliminate the cause.  


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As an old lady who doesn't have to worry about contraception...I would still like to relate my experience on the pill.  After the birth or my 5th child when I was 35 my doc recommended the pill. It was fairly new then, and of course i did not want to have any more, so I was glad for such an easy out.
However at about the age of 44 I started to have very severe headaches.  So I took aspirin which did relieve them somewhat.  Finally I consulted m doc who told me to get off the pill.  So I had my tubes tied with that tiny incision at the navel.  He warned me that it would probably throw me into early menopause which happened about a year or so later.
As for sex drive...it did not interfere....having said that...probably everyone is different.  But knowing what I do today, I would say do not take them.
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Personally I am happier off the pill than on, but I never had any major symptoms while on it.  When I came off it, I dropped about 7-8 pounds a few months later (also stopped eating potatoes, so maybe both together had that effect), and I didn't need to lose any weight (probably a bit underweight actually).

What bothers me is not so much the use of the pill for its purpose (preventing pregnancy), but its use to regulate periods/hormones, alleviate cramps, etc.  Those symptoms are valuable information that point to an underlying problem and going on the pill allows women to cover it up until it may be too late (or more damage is done).  

When I stopped using the pill I had horrendous cramps, but rather than go back on I worked month after month on my diet, exercise, and doing detoxes until the cramps were manageable.  Then I consulted an intern at my school's clinic and have made leaps and bounds of progress in eliminating the cramps using homeopathy, different detoxes, and further dietary tweaking.  I would never have learned all of this about my body and healed so much if I stayed on the pill.  

It is each woman's choice whether to use the pill, but that should really be an educated decision re: future complications from suppressing symptoms.


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I was put on the pill this past May to help regulate my periods.  I was quite against it, but my MD really encouraged me to just "try it" for 3 months.  Well, in just those "3 months," I gained 10 pounds, accumulated cellulite all over my legs (I've never had cellulite before), and became a depressed wreck.  I stopped taking them in August, and I still haven't had a period, nor has the weight I gained moved an inch.  So, I'm worse off than before I started.  

As far as estrogen and the thyroid...it's my understanding that estrogen binds thyroid hormone.  Mine plummeted after being on the pill for just that brief time.  I'm now going to an ND who is BTD-based and has me taking a slew of supplements to straighten things out.  She promises that one day I will have another period, but really says that we have to get my estrogen levels back down again and get everything balanced.  

I would not recommend the pill to anyone.  I just don't think it's a good idea to play with mother nature.  I've had many, many friends who have the same experience I had.  


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Hi Connect14!!

Again your case proves to me that women should always listen to their bodies..
Your feelings were so right...  

Those docs with their chemicals...
Once you are on it, you are hooked... and most people stay hooked...

Good for you to stop it altogether..
Stay close to your A-diet, eat tofu, tahoe every day in your diet, add some soy isoflavones as well!! To increase your energy and balancing your hormones quicker..

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I tried this *pillie* once and got soooo ...terrible......
and then..no matter at all;D since I've been shnippeled with the age of 27... better .... why in such an age...because I couldn't deny that the loss of my daughter with the age of 3 was nearly to much for me, so far only the idea to get another child...
fed me up...so far I got this thingy fixed ...and must be honest, it was one of my best ideas
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I tried this *pillie* once and got soooo ...terrible......
and then..no matter at all;D since I've been shnippeled with the age of 27... better .... why in such an age...because I couldn't deny that the loss of my daughter with the age of 3 was nearly to much for me, so far only the idea to get another child...
fed me up...so far I got this thingy fixed ...and must be honest, it was one of my best ideas



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Isa, I had no idea.  I'm so sorry for your loss.  {{{HUG}}}

connect14, when I was eating very little protein and tons and tons of refined carbs, I stopped getting my periods and they wanted to put me on Provera at one point and I said, h*ll no, I am not going on any hormone.  Thank God that, by that point in my life, I already had a healthy fear and distrust of the the health care system.  Anyway, they told me, well, okay, but if you ever go for three months without getting your period, then you MUST come in and go on the pill because you need to menstruate at least that often.  I said I would, but luckily, even though I still would miss a month or be irregular with starting times here and there, I never went three months again.

Since starting the BTD nine years ago, my periods have been regular.  This past September I did have something very odd happen but I think that was different (mid-cycle bleeding).  They never figured out what it was, and put it down to stress and/or weight gain.  Personally, even though my hormone levels tested as, quote, "fine" (enlightening, huh?), I think I'm perimenapausal, as my periods have been getting much shorter and lighter for quite some time now.  As for that mid-cycle bleeding, I really think there is an interesting psychological connection there (see, Isa, I am capable of seeing a psycho-physical connection sometimes *lol*) because I've been so thinking about adopting or even attempting to give birth to a child, yet at the same time, grieving about the distinct possibility that I may never do either one of those things.  I think my body may have been "crying with me", if that makes any sense whatsoever.  Or sending me some sort of message that it is now or never (hellllloooo, I already know that, body, why do you think I'm freaking out?).  I mean, I've certainly had stress and weight fluctuations before, and actually I do think that the latter has affected my periods in the past (pre-BTD) in terms of the timing being irregular or missing one, but I have NEVER had mid-cycle bleeding before.  The timing to me is very interesting with what is going on with me emotionally over having a child and realizing that I've hit a "deadline", whether we are talking about adoption or my biological child.  Either way, to me, 45 is it.  End of the road.  Do or die.

Sorry to digress from the topic, though.  My point was simply that I chose NOT to go on Provera and I thank goodness for that.  Connect14, I'm glad you are going to a BTD-oriented doc.  In addition to the supplements he is instructing you to take, just really avoid your avoids right now and try to focus on beneficials as much as possible.  In other words, be highly, highly compliant right now as you try to bring your system back into balance.  To me, this is one of the great strengths of the BTD, its ability to balance our systems, so stick with it and I do believe it will work, given a little time.  Also try to do A-beneficial exercises such as hatha yoga.  I hope you can get your periods to return using natural methods such as these.


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P.S.  Connect14, not sure if this advice is really coming from my O-colored glasses or if it is good for A's, but I find that I need high-quality protein consistently as a key to regulating my periods, and I'm wondering if you, as an A, are getting most of your protein from tofu, peanuts, etc.?  All great for A's, but I'm just thinking that, given the amenorrhea, you might want to try to eat a lot of A-friendly fish, such as salmon.  It provides such high-quality protein and I feel this really could help to get your system going again, period-wise.

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I tried this *pillie* once and got soooo ...terrible......
and then..no matter at all;D since I've been shnippeled with the age of 27... better .... why in such an age...because I couldn't deny that the loss of my daughter with the age of 3 was nearly to much for me, so far only the idea to get another child...
fed me up...so far I got this thingy fixed ...and must be honest, it was one of my best ideas


Oh, my dear, I   for your loss of a little daughter.  How sad!

And now, I've brightened up again, because you are still here with us and doing well.  I am happy to know you and to see how hard you work to free your spirit from all old weight and prisons.  {{{hugs}}} to you and   too!




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my recipe for that (typical 5-like ) I've got a good and helpful teacher,Jean Klein to whom I owe a lots'.....don't get into your own trap of identifying with what-or whomsoever....step away, become only an observer......
that's the trick


must agree when you are in that situaions, you can't help yourselve, you get lost automatically in your feelings but then time...after time...you will work on this.....and it's fine
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my recipe for that (typical 5-like ) I've got a good and helpful teacher,Jean Klein to whom I owe a lots'.....don't get into your own trap of identifying with what-or whomsoever....step away, become only an observer......
that's the trick


must agree when you are in that situaions, you can't help yourselve, you get lost automatically in your feelings but then time...after time...you will work on this.....and it's fine


You are such a shining example of rising again from the ashes, moving forward and living the life you were meant to live. Yes... observation is key...  


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In yogic terms, it is called Witness Consciousness; being aware of observing all that is happening and realizing that the thoughts and emotions are not the true Self.  The Self is the Witness of all this.  Sounds like what you are saying, Isa.



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Re: connection btw birth control pills and thyroid (from Physiology class):

Estrogen increases Thyroid Binding Globulin (TBG), which binds thyroid hormone (T4/T3) and decreases free T4/T3.  Also, estrogen metabolites compete with T4/T3 for receptor sites.  Therefore, excess estrogen reduces available T4/T3 AND crowds what is left out of receptor sites, possibly causing hypothyroidism.  In fact, estrogen dominance can be linked to sub-clinical hypothyroidism.

Progesterone increases the sensitivity of estrogen receptors for estrogen, helping to direct estrogen properly and it also increases T4/T3 uptake and activity.  Therefore, progesterone is a possible treatment for sub-clinical hypothyroidism.  

So, these are some interesting connections to explain why some people seem to feel that being on the pill influences their thyroid.  

This information also has some larger application – think how many woman are on the birth control pill in North America (for decades at a time and from a very young age BEFORE even completing sexual development!) and how many of these women possible have sub-clinical hypothyroid or even diagnosed hypothyroid.  Could this be yet another cause of the “obesity epidemic”?


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This information also has some larger application – think how many woman are on the birth control pill in North America (for decades at a time and from a very young age BEFORE even completing sexual development!) and how many of these women possible have sub-clinical hypothyroid or even diagnosed hypothyroid.  Could this be yet another cause of the “obesity epidemic”?


Good point here I think. Dont want to make this sound like economics but there is both a supply and demand side to obesity. Talking about sugars, refined starches etc. is all very nice but we need an explanation as to why they are in overdemand. Certainly long periods of hormone therapy in teenaged women would be a reasonable place to look. Probably there are a number of causes of obesity but 'hormonal adjustments' such as birth control pills could show specific results.






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Kristin...have I have to go to Poenix, now
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I sure hope you go to Phoenix... but not now. Soon, though....







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Time for a recap!!!  I quit taking my thyroid pills for an experiment.  My TSH just tested at 3.7 and all of the t3 and t4 levels were in normal range.  The birth controls (in my opinion) were totally screwing up my thyroid levels.  It seems to me my body is doing just fine without any pills at all.  For the bad news, I have had thyroiditis in the past, so I may not be out of the water just yet.  At this time I am hoping to control my thyroid levels with proper eating habits and nutritional support and of course.... no birth control pills!  I would also like to state that thyroid pills have had bad side effects too.  Specifically speaking malabsorption problems, bruising and hair loss.  Good-bye pills!  Forever!!!


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great decision!


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Thanks for the update - that is interesting news and great to hear that things are going better for you!


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I have never truly felt better than now!  Pill-free and proper eating is the way to go.  Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!


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So here's another thought.  Does anyone out there have their tubes tied?  What's the downfall, as it seems that everything has one.


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a vasectomy took care of my birth control dilemma!
talk to your hubs!!


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My girl friend was complaining about the way she felt on the pill.  She said that it can cause heart problems and yeast problems.  I would recomond that all women stay away from it.  She told me that since being on the diet her peroid is much shorter.  
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To my fellow B's or anybody else that might be able to answer this  

Does anybody know what specific supplement(s)
I should be taking since I'm still on the birth control pill ??

I have read that we need more (since the pill may deplete these vitamins)
Vit B-2, B-6, B-12, Folate/Folic acid, Vit-C, and Zinc;
hence I make sure to eat cheese, eggs yogurt, fish, meat, nuts,
green leafy vegetables, pulses, bananas, kiwis on a weekly basis !!
however;
I can't seem to find it anywhere on this board if Dr. D'Adamo has
in fact written anything else in regards to the pill that may benefit
B's ... besides what I have in my book
Thanks very much  


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I wish it were easy for me to put them down. I hate birth control pills.
I was put on them when I was 18 due to massive hemorrhaging. I have a serious bleeding disorder (Von Willebrand's disease- classified the most severe type possible) which causes episodes that have been life threating in the past.

So many people in this thread have said things like "Don't mess with mother nature". If I were born in an era that couldn't mess with mother nature I would have died before kindergarten.

At 18 I was hospitalized (and unconcious for nearly 2 days) due to massive blood loss from my period. I have tried on 4 occassions since then to take myself off the pill. Each time I have heavy periods for a few months and then an uncontrollable one which causes me to get back on them.

I would love to improve my health enough on this diet to be able to stop taking them for good, but I just don't know if it's possible. Has Dr D. has had patients with severe bleeding disorders improve after time on the BTD?? Maybe there is still hope for me after all. I have been eating right for my type, doing pilates and hatha yoga as well. I hate to believe that there is nothing I can do to make my condition improve. Can someone direct Dr D to my question if that is allowed?
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many such issues have been corrected with the proper diet, like Endometriosis.
a search will help find interesting cases......
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/nap/archives/00000009.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive3/config.pl?read=8569


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...but my issues aren't related to problems such as Endometriosis.
I was born without the ability to effectively produce and reproduce a factor within my blood which bonds the cells together to form clots.
I was just wondering if Dr. D has seen anyone born with my disease improve. My guess is no, but one can hope.
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