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I was put on the pill this past May to help regulate my periods.  I was quite against it, but my MD really encouraged me to just "try it" for 3 months.  Well, in just those "3 months," I gained 10 pounds, accumulated cellulite all over my legs (I've never had cellulite before), and became a depressed wreck.  I stopped taking them in August, and I still haven't had a period, nor has the weight I gained moved an inch.  So, I'm worse off than before I started.  

As far as estrogen and the thyroid...it's my understanding that estrogen binds thyroid hormone.  Mine plummeted after being on the pill for just that brief time.  I'm now going to an ND who is BTD-based and has me taking a slew of supplements to straighten things out.  She promises that one day I will have another period, but really says that we have to get my estrogen levels back down again and get everything balanced.  

I would not recommend the pill to anyone.  I just don't think it's a good idea to play with mother nature.  I've had many, many friends who have the same experience I had.  


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Hi Connect14!!

Again your case proves to me that women should always listen to their bodies..
Your feelings were so right...  

Those docs with their chemicals...
Once you are on it, you are hooked... and most people stay hooked...

Good for you to stop it altogether..
Stay close to your A-diet, eat tofu, tahoe every day in your diet, add some soy isoflavones as well!! To increase your energy and balancing your hormones quicker..

Take care

Cocky  
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I tried this *pillie* once and got soooo ...terrible......
and then..no matter at all;D since I've been shnippeled with the age of 27... better .... why in such an age...because I couldn't deny that the loss of my daughter with the age of 3 was nearly to much for me, so far only the idea to get another child...
fed me up...so far I got this thingy fixed ...and must be honest, it was one of my best ideas
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I tried this *pillie* once and got soooo ...terrible......
and then..no matter at all;D since I've been shnippeled with the age of 27... better .... why in such an age...because I couldn't deny that the loss of my daughter with the age of 3 was nearly to much for me, so far only the idea to get another child...
fed me up...so far I got this thingy fixed ...and must be honest, it was one of my best ideas



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Isa, I had no idea.  I'm so sorry for your loss.  {{{HUG}}}

connect14, when I was eating very little protein and tons and tons of refined carbs, I stopped getting my periods and they wanted to put me on Provera at one point and I said, h*ll no, I am not going on any hormone.  Thank God that, by that point in my life, I already had a healthy fear and distrust of the the health care system.  Anyway, they told me, well, okay, but if you ever go for three months without getting your period, then you MUST come in and go on the pill because you need to menstruate at least that often.  I said I would, but luckily, even though I still would miss a month or be irregular with starting times here and there, I never went three months again.

Since starting the BTD nine years ago, my periods have been regular.  This past September I did have something very odd happen but I think that was different (mid-cycle bleeding).  They never figured out what it was, and put it down to stress and/or weight gain.  Personally, even though my hormone levels tested as, quote, "fine" (enlightening, huh?), I think I'm perimenapausal, as my periods have been getting much shorter and lighter for quite some time now.  As for that mid-cycle bleeding, I really think there is an interesting psychological connection there (see, Isa, I am capable of seeing a psycho-physical connection sometimes *lol*) because I've been so thinking about adopting or even attempting to give birth to a child, yet at the same time, grieving about the distinct possibility that I may never do either one of those things.  I think my body may have been "crying with me", if that makes any sense whatsoever.  Or sending me some sort of message that it is now or never (hellllloooo, I already know that, body, why do you think I'm freaking out?).  I mean, I've certainly had stress and weight fluctuations before, and actually I do think that the latter has affected my periods in the past (pre-BTD) in terms of the timing being irregular or missing one, but I have NEVER had mid-cycle bleeding before.  The timing to me is very interesting with what is going on with me emotionally over having a child and realizing that I've hit a "deadline", whether we are talking about adoption or my biological child.  Either way, to me, 45 is it.  End of the road.  Do or die.

Sorry to digress from the topic, though.  My point was simply that I chose NOT to go on Provera and I thank goodness for that.  Connect14, I'm glad you are going to a BTD-oriented doc.  In addition to the supplements he is instructing you to take, just really avoid your avoids right now and try to focus on beneficials as much as possible.  In other words, be highly, highly compliant right now as you try to bring your system back into balance.  To me, this is one of the great strengths of the BTD, its ability to balance our systems, so stick with it and I do believe it will work, given a little time.  Also try to do A-beneficial exercises such as hatha yoga.  I hope you can get your periods to return using natural methods such as these.


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P.S.  Connect14, not sure if this advice is really coming from my O-colored glasses or if it is good for A's, but I find that I need high-quality protein consistently as a key to regulating my periods, and I'm wondering if you, as an A, are getting most of your protein from tofu, peanuts, etc.?  All great for A's, but I'm just thinking that, given the amenorrhea, you might want to try to eat a lot of A-friendly fish, such as salmon.  It provides such high-quality protein and I feel this really could help to get your system going again, period-wise.

Good luck!


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Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
I tried this *pillie* once and got soooo ...terrible......
and then..no matter at all;D since I've been shnippeled with the age of 27... better .... why in such an age...because I couldn't deny that the loss of my daughter with the age of 3 was nearly to much for me, so far only the idea to get another child...
fed me up...so far I got this thingy fixed ...and must be honest, it was one of my best ideas


Oh, my dear, I   for your loss of a little daughter.  How sad!

And now, I've brightened up again, because you are still here with us and doing well.  I am happy to know you and to see how hard you work to free your spirit from all old weight and prisons.  {{{hugs}}} to you and   too!




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Let me not pass you by in quest
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my recipe for that (typical 5-like ) I've got a good and helpful teacher,Jean Klein to whom I owe a lots'.....don't get into your own trap of identifying with what-or whomsoever....step away, become only an observer......
that's the trick


must agree when you are in that situaions, you can't help yourselve, you get lost automatically in your feelings but then time...after time...you will work on this.....and it's fine
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Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
my recipe for that (typical 5-like ) I've got a good and helpful teacher,Jean Klein to whom I owe a lots'.....don't get into your own trap of identifying with what-or whomsoever....step away, become only an observer......
that's the trick


must agree when you are in that situaions, you can't help yourselve, you get lost automatically in your feelings but then time...after time...you will work on this.....and it's fine


You are such a shining example of rising again from the ashes, moving forward and living the life you were meant to live. Yes... observation is key...  


Thank you so much for being here with us.

much love to you  


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In yogic terms, it is called Witness Consciousness; being aware of observing all that is happening and realizing that the thoughts and emotions are not the true Self.  The Self is the Witness of all this.  Sounds like what you are saying, Isa.



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Re: connection btw birth control pills and thyroid (from Physiology class):

Estrogen increases Thyroid Binding Globulin (TBG), which binds thyroid hormone (T4/T3) and decreases free T4/T3.  Also, estrogen metabolites compete with T4/T3 for receptor sites.  Therefore, excess estrogen reduces available T4/T3 AND crowds what is left out of receptor sites, possibly causing hypothyroidism.  In fact, estrogen dominance can be linked to sub-clinical hypothyroidism.

Progesterone increases the sensitivity of estrogen receptors for estrogen, helping to direct estrogen properly and it also increases T4/T3 uptake and activity.  Therefore, progesterone is a possible treatment for sub-clinical hypothyroidism.  

So, these are some interesting connections to explain why some people seem to feel that being on the pill influences their thyroid.  

This information also has some larger application – think how many woman are on the birth control pill in North America (for decades at a time and from a very young age BEFORE even completing sexual development!) and how many of these women possible have sub-clinical hypothyroid or even diagnosed hypothyroid.  Could this be yet another cause of the “obesity epidemic”?


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Quoted from Whimsical
 

This information also has some larger application – think how many woman are on the birth control pill in North America (for decades at a time and from a very young age BEFORE even completing sexual development!) and how many of these women possible have sub-clinical hypothyroid or even diagnosed hypothyroid.  Could this be yet another cause of the “obesity epidemic”?


Good point here I think. Dont want to make this sound like economics but there is both a supply and demand side to obesity. Talking about sugars, refined starches etc. is all very nice but we need an explanation as to why they are in overdemand. Certainly long periods of hormone therapy in teenaged women would be a reasonable place to look. Probably there are a number of causes of obesity but 'hormonal adjustments' such as birth control pills could show specific results.






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Kristin...have I have to go to Poenix, now
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I sure hope you go to Phoenix... but not now. Soon, though....







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Time for a recap!!!  I quit taking my thyroid pills for an experiment.  My TSH just tested at 3.7 and all of the t3 and t4 levels were in normal range.  The birth controls (in my opinion) were totally screwing up my thyroid levels.  It seems to me my body is doing just fine without any pills at all.  For the bad news, I have had thyroiditis in the past, so I may not be out of the water just yet.  At this time I am hoping to control my thyroid levels with proper eating habits and nutritional support and of course.... no birth control pills!  I would also like to state that thyroid pills have had bad side effects too.  Specifically speaking malabsorption problems, bruising and hair loss.  Good-bye pills!  Forever!!!


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great decision!


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slyparrot,

Thanks for the update - that is interesting news and great to hear that things are going better for you!


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I have never truly felt better than now!  Pill-free and proper eating is the way to go.  Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!


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So here's another thought.  Does anyone out there have their tubes tied?  What's the downfall, as it seems that everything has one.


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a vasectomy took care of my birth control dilemma!
talk to your hubs!!


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My girl friend was complaining about the way she felt on the pill.  She said that it can cause heart problems and yeast problems.  I would recomond that all women stay away from it.  She told me that since being on the diet her peroid is much shorter.  
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To my fellow B's or anybody else that might be able to answer this  

Does anybody know what specific supplement(s)
I should be taking since I'm still on the birth control pill ??

I have read that we need more (since the pill may deplete these vitamins)
Vit B-2, B-6, B-12, Folate/Folic acid, Vit-C, and Zinc;
hence I make sure to eat cheese, eggs yogurt, fish, meat, nuts,
green leafy vegetables, pulses, bananas, kiwis on a weekly basis !!
however;
I can't seem to find it anywhere on this board if Dr. D'Adamo has
in fact written anything else in regards to the pill that may benefit
B's ... besides what I have in my book
Thanks very much  


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I wish it were easy for me to put them down. I hate birth control pills.
I was put on them when I was 18 due to massive hemorrhaging. I have a serious bleeding disorder (Von Willebrand's disease- classified the most severe type possible) which causes episodes that have been life threating in the past.

So many people in this thread have said things like "Don't mess with mother nature". If I were born in an era that couldn't mess with mother nature I would have died before kindergarten.

At 18 I was hospitalized (and unconcious for nearly 2 days) due to massive blood loss from my period. I have tried on 4 occassions since then to take myself off the pill. Each time I have heavy periods for a few months and then an uncontrollable one which causes me to get back on them.

I would love to improve my health enough on this diet to be able to stop taking them for good, but I just don't know if it's possible. Has Dr D. has had patients with severe bleeding disorders improve after time on the BTD?? Maybe there is still hope for me after all. I have been eating right for my type, doing pilates and hatha yoga as well. I hate to believe that there is nothing I can do to make my condition improve. Can someone direct Dr D to my question if that is allowed?
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many such issues have been corrected with the proper diet, like Endometriosis.
a search will help find interesting cases......
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/nap/archives/00000009.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive3/config.pl?read=8569


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