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Victoria
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Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
for a better sexdrive take some more L'Arginine...works wonders for men and women


Thanks for this suggestion, Isa, and I have heard this before.  Have you had feedback from people who have used it and found it effective?

Since we were talking about L'Lysine on another thread, I was wanting to ask your opinion about herpes and L'Arginine.  I have heard something about too much Arginine stimulating the herpes virus and lysine suppresses it.  Do you ever see this happening in people using Arginine?



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Quoted from Victoria
Since we were talking about L'Lysine on another thread, I was wanting to ask your opinion about herpes and L'Arginine.  I have heard something about too much Arginine stimulating the herpes virus and lysine suppresses it.  Do you ever see this happening in people using Arginine?

I suggest you read the Ask Dr. D link in my post in the Fever Blister thread.



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I took birth control pills from the time I was 15 years old because I had irregular periods and was diagnosed with Stein Leventhal disease (now called polycystic ovary syndrome or PCOS). I always thought the mood swings were due to adolescence. I didn't have sex until I was 18 and used condoms then (married now).  They brought me such horrible headaches that I went off of them. Now that I know how at risk type A's are for thick blood I understand how BCPs had that effect on me.

My mom is a type B - I was conceived when she was on the pill - my sister always wondered if this had anything to do with my hormonal imbalance/PCOS.

When I was in Anatomy & Physiology class we tested out blood clotting times. Mine was 57 seconds. The expected range was 1 to 3 minutes.  

P.S. Both my husband and I take L-arginine 1000mg/day. It definately ups his sex libido but I cannot say the same.


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Quoted from ironwood55

I suggest you read the Ask Dr. D link in my post in the Fever Blister thread.



Just what I needed to know.  Thanks Don!  
Funny how I missed that information when I read your link the first time.  Then, I was looking for the licorice information.  A good example of selective blindness!  



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Both my husband and I take L-arginine 1000mg/day. It definately ups his sex libido but I cannot say the same.



Well Zola I am not surprised that it doesn't increase your libido...

Icy in Seattle???

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Why are you not surprised, Cocky?  Do you find that Arginine does not work for women?



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Quoted from Victoria
Why are you not surprised, Cocky?  Do you find that Arginine does not work for women?


Victoria just joking!!!    Ice and libido do not go together, or am I wrong here??

I never tried Arginine, never needed it. But you never know in the future..
Well, let's see what happens in the near future.. I will deal with things in the right order..
Right now, no need to take Arginine or whatever to increase libido..

Who knows what will happen in the future.. !!!!

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Victoria, can only speak from my experiences with L'Arginin a good thingy to get some *envies* but I am an AB, so fine for my head too, to go against NO-losts
and no big deal for *heavy emotional disturbings* .....
yukkies but yup when some herpes shall be seen around NO arginine at all but lysine

about L.Arginin no adequate  victim to be seen anyway, so I stopped it

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Hi Isa,
I just re-read the link that MoDon provided.  Dr. D. said to not worry about Arginine messing with herpes.  He thinks it's more important to get enough Lysine, because Arginine actually strengthens the immune responses.



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hmmm can't be that d'accord don't think in such cases Arginine is something bene
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We've got a huge storm this week...hence the 'icy in seattle' Spent 5 hours getting home last night on the ice rink of highway (unharmed). [It normally takes 15 minutes to do this same distance.] My libido is fine but the arginine does not seem to increase it.

Arginine is supposed to increase men's "output" - whether this pertains to sperm or just the material they travel in I don't know.  


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My libido is fine but for the fun of it I tried L'Arginine and it made my ears ring even more than what they normally do.  Oh, and my blood pressure went up when I was on the pill.  I'm glad someone mentioned that.

Why can't guys just get themselves fixed???  


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my dad got himself fixed and had a difficult time with swelling/pain of the testicles off & on for years. not fun. I guess it's not always an easy road.  


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Eeewwww!  That's the first bad outcome I have heard about men getting their parts snipped.  What is the percentage/ratio of that happening vs. the percentage/ratio of problems with pills?  I think birth control pills should be made for men too since they (some of them) think it's so easy.  


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Yes, pills for men I second that solution!!!  

But.. I don't think they would be prepared to swallow such a pill every day, is my opinion..

Guess how many kids a couple would have if also guys could get pregnant and they decide alternately to get baby's??

Depends on who would start and deliver the first baby!!!

If the woman would start it they would have 3 kids.
If the guy starts they would end up with 2 kids... Right or wrong????

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Cockepelli -  I think after their first childbirth they would quit!  So yes, 2 kids unless the woman had the 2nd and 3rd.

Back to the bc pill issue.... I still can't decide!!!!!!!


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Back to the bc pill issue.... I still can't decide!!!!!!!


My opinion in this is not to mess with your hormones!
Just my humble opinion..  I still think condoms is a great alternative.. at least it was for me during more than 25 years relation with my ex.
I was absolutely determined when I was 24 years old not to go on with that bl**dy pill after 1 year of trial..

I am now soo glad I was so determined and listened so well to my body..  

We can advice you here on board, but you decide..

Cocky

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I heard on the news that the new male birth control pill (don't know if it's available yet) but the way it works is the man takes the pill 4-5 hrs before having intercourse (the pill prevents the sperm from leaving the male and entering the female.

But how many males plan 4 or 5 hrs in advance that they want sex? lol
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But how many males plan 4 or 5 hrs in advance that they want sex? lol



Yep, you are right Geminisue!!!  

Unpredictable species those guys!!  

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That spontaneity is much of what makes "it" such a wonderful addition to relationships, so I would not want to schedule too closely either.  Who knows when?

But I agree with Cocky very much.  For young women to be messing with the delicate balance of your hormones can be creating future problems for yourselves that we don't even understand yet.  We're all still learning about the implications of imbalances and some of them are quite serious.



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Could you imagine all the guys in bars popping their pills planning to get lucky!  !  Haha!


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EquiPro, I could not imagine letting my body get only a few periods a year.  Have you noticed a difference in side effects in compared to the regular pills?

Another question to all.
Does estrogen compete with thyroid hormones?  I swear my thyroid levels took a dump when I was taking them.  Should have had them tested but they would have just increased my thyroid meds leaving me to more medications.  It seemed more logical to eliminate the cause.  


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As an old lady who doesn't have to worry about contraception...I would still like to relate my experience on the pill.  After the birth or my 5th child when I was 35 my doc recommended the pill. It was fairly new then, and of course i did not want to have any more, so I was glad for such an easy out.
However at about the age of 44 I started to have very severe headaches.  So I took aspirin which did relieve them somewhat.  Finally I consulted m doc who told me to get off the pill.  So I had my tubes tied with that tiny incision at the navel.  He warned me that it would probably throw me into early menopause which happened about a year or so later.
As for sex drive...it did not interfere....having said that...probably everyone is different.  But knowing what I do today, I would say do not take them.
Just my 2 bits...
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Personally I am happier off the pill than on, but I never had any major symptoms while on it.  When I came off it, I dropped about 7-8 pounds a few months later (also stopped eating potatoes, so maybe both together had that effect), and I didn't need to lose any weight (probably a bit underweight actually).

What bothers me is not so much the use of the pill for its purpose (preventing pregnancy), but its use to regulate periods/hormones, alleviate cramps, etc.  Those symptoms are valuable information that point to an underlying problem and going on the pill allows women to cover it up until it may be too late (or more damage is done).  

When I stopped using the pill I had horrendous cramps, but rather than go back on I worked month after month on my diet, exercise, and doing detoxes until the cramps were manageable.  Then I consulted an intern at my school's clinic and have made leaps and bounds of progress in eliminating the cramps using homeopathy, different detoxes, and further dietary tweaking.  I would never have learned all of this about my body and healed so much if I stayed on the pill.  

It is each woman's choice whether to use the pill, but that should really be an educated decision re: future complications from suppressing symptoms.


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