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Henriette Bsec
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I know Cloella has been up before - but I tried to search for something about side effects to it. I know several of you use it.

I have started 2 weeks ago to take them - thought it was agood idea - before winter sets in- and my stomach problems was gone.....
BUT BUT  I seem to get air and loose stools almost diarea from them.( pale green

The box says that is common the first 2 weeks- and it shows that they work effiecient ? I didn start at the high dose 12 pills pr day- but started with 2x 4 pills last week and this week 2 x 5 pills.

BUt has any one else tried that ? thought about it ? should I stop  or ?

News from danish newspapers:
A group of norweigan pregnant mothers had their levels of dioxin measured before labour. Half of the group was put on clorella during preganancy
and when they measured the level of dioxin in that groups breastmilk - it was only 50 % of the " no clorella group" - so It sounds as it is very efficient
- but I don´t really like the side effects.


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perhaps you are detoxing considerably......
try half the dose and see if your body tolerates it better
the ANTI-VIRAL PROTOCOLS  lists it for Bs, so that s a good thing.


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When my Dr. has prescribed me to take chlorella the does was only 3 tablets every other day.


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Lola I think you are right - that I am detoxing

Don how big are your tablets ?
mine are very small


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Mine are very small too.


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I checked some of the other companies and all had 10- 15 small pills pr day  

I felt no pain today just a lot of gas- so maybe I am adjusting.
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I take the small tabs, as well.  I was taking 10 to 15 per day, as the bottle recommended; however, like Don, when I started going to the ND...she told me to only take 2 small tabs a day.  She said that they bottle's recommendation was way too high.


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I took some Chlorella capsuls recommended and purchased at Mercola.com. Mercola recommended to start off very slowly - one capsule every other day or so - and then up the dose gradually over a week or two, depending on your reactions.

I didn't feel a thing and ended up taking the max dose (8 capsules daily) after a week. But when I think of it, I had been on a 3-week-detox/cleanse-thingy with homeopathic tinctures just before I started the Chlorella, so I guess I was pretty "cleaned out" already. Maybe that's why I didn't feel a thing...


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I would also advise starting off very slowly and build up later.  After taking it for 4 years, I no longer have any negative symptoms at any dose, but initially, I think I felt digestive distress.



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You may want to be careful with taking Chlorella until after all your metal fillings are out.    Chlorella is so strong that it actually will  pull and redistribute more mercury out of your fillings into your bloodstream.    

I would take Algin- (sodium alginate) for now.  It sponges up stray mercury without redistributing it to other parts of the body.  Drink enough liquids or juices when taking algin- so that it can push any mercury it sponges out into your bowel movements/urine.

I would not give up on Chlorella AFTER you get all of your metal fillings replaced however.  I would take it along with Algin at that point.   Both work wonders together.   Just be careful when taking Chlorella when you still have metal fillings remaining.

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yup here I agree with our new member , welcome ...and or you might use kelp instead, until you've removed all your fillings
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maintaining
good levels of methylcobalmin (B12)
so that the mercury atom will not find a place to reside is also important.


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Quoted from boldyloxx
You may want to be careful with taking Chlorella until after all your metal fillings are out.    Chlorella is so strong that it actually will  pull and redistribute more mercury out of your fillings into your bloodstream.    

I would not give up on Chlorella AFTER you get all of your metal fillings replaced however.  I would take it along with Algin at that point.   Both work wonders together.   Just be careful when taking Chlorella when you still have metal fillings remaining.

Boldyloxx


Hi Boldy and Welcome to the forum.

I'm particularly interested in the statement above. Would you post any references you may have access to supporting this statement for me to read? Thank you. Heretonow, I have understood just the opposite about chlorella---that is, that it binds systemic mercury and excretes it through the bowel. One reference I read specifically names an agent that is absolutely contraindicated for use in people with amalgams still in place while advising the use of chlorella to aid its elimination.

Very, very interested in getting the accurate understanding concerning this issue.

TIA for any light you can shed on this subject.


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I tried Dr. Mercola’s recommended brand of Chlorella but I went back to Sun Chlorella.  Sun Chlorella is a pressed tablet of nothing but chlorella.  Its process of breaking down the cell wall aids in digestion and assimilation.  I used top take 12 small tablets a day now I take 6 large (500 mg).  I’ve never had any problems with it.  My son takes it when he is coming down with a cold.  He swears by it.  Says it makes him feel better.  So even with his infrequent usage, no side effects.

I increase the dosage after a dental visit.  This is the 1st time I’ve heard about it pulling and redistributing more mercury out of the fillings into the bloodstream. It’s a good thing I started taking NAP Methl12 Plus when it was on sale.  Since Lola recommends maintaining good levels of it, I’ll continue to use it.  Thanks for the new info.


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Thanks for all your info
1) I have only got 1 filling - and I plan to have that changed at some stage.
2) I stayed at the level with 12 pills pr day for 2 weeks- and then I suddenly felt well.
3) I have cut down to 6 pr day - and was wondering if I would take a break untill summer- John ( resting ) suggests that clorella is mainly a summer/autumn supplement - any thoughts?

4) Quote from Luhu
"I have understood just the opposite about chlorella---that is, that it binds systemic mercury and excretes it through the bowel"

So did I - and I think that was the conclusion from the Norwegian test/research as well:

A group of norwegian pregnant mothers had their levels of dioxin measured before labour. Half of the group was put on clorella during preganancy
and when they measured the level of dioxin in that groups breastmilk - it was only 50 % of the " no clorella group"

SO were did it go? - not in the breastmilk ????!


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Henriette -

from what I've read, the chlorophyll loosens mercury but it's the chlorella cell walls that provide the binding power to eliminate .... I do not know if the fiber is enough to bind all the mercury loosened.  You folks are in a league different than mine ... I was taking 60+ tabs each day (for months) and still couldn't notice much!

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Quoted from lola
maintaining
good levels of methylcobalmin (B12)
so that the mercury atom will not find a place to reside is also important.


Here is an opposing view about the use of B12 in a mercury environment.
Quoted from Huggins' FAQ - 8. Why is vitamin B-12 as a supplement or additive dangerous?
http://hugginsappliedhealing.com/faqs.html
Many Universities have published articles on the ability of Vitamin B-12 to convert mercury vapor into the much more deadly “Methyl mercury”.  Methyl mercury knows no barriers, and creates far more havoc than other mercury chemicals, because of its ability to travel anywhere in the body without inhibitions.  Sometimes the effects of high doses of Vitamin B-12 (over 50 micrograms) take months to correct.


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Here is a PubMed reference that seems to support the above quote.
Quoted from A relationship between vitamin B12, folic acid, ascorbic acid, and mercury uptake and methylation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en.....;itool=pubmed_docsum
The addition of vitamin C in the diet, particularly in combination with B12 (brain) or folic acid (muscle) resulted in increased methylmercury levels in these tissues and percent methylmercury values with B12 in the muscle and brain tissue.


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AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Guess I'll just die with no intervention attempted then. Conflicting info EVERYWHERE you look.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!

So unbelievably frustrating!


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Quoted from John_McDonell_O+
 You folks are in a league different than mine ... I was taking 60+ tabs each day (for months) and still couldn't notice much!

John


WOW
Well maybe I was just sensitive after a BAD stomach bug ?
Thanks


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LuHu,

I really here your frustration ... especially on a limited budget ... Other possibilities do hold another way of fixing the problem ... the best one is homeopathy if removal is not in near-plans another might be the alginate (boldyloxx as above); yet another is the removal plan at http://www.shokos.com if the mercury is removed.

these days the biggest culprit to additional mercury is the dissolving effects of having different metals in the mouth at the same time .... for me it was the clips on my partial + the amalgam fillings.  The culprit in all this is the mercury ion [Hg++].  The mercury[Hg] in amalgams is the metal and pretty much inert ... this does change to the ion form under stresses like too much acid ... vitamin C; or 'methylization' a very common/necessary reaction ... methylcobalmin [Methy-B12]; or, different metals creating a small electric current in the mouth; or etc, etc.

I have heard Lola's explanation (from an 'expert' on mercury and methylcobalmin) ... he finds it interesting that so many of the symptoms of mercury poisoning and methyl-B12 deficiency, are identical ... he personally uses very high levels of methylcobalmin at the time of detox.  I do not know if he uses this while the mercury remains though.

MoDon"s warning comes to those that feel 'safe' with their amalgam fillings.  This is on the long list of 'to-do's-someday'.  Mercury removal is NOT to be sidelined, it is an imperative!

John


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LuHu,

I really here your frustration ... especially on a limited budget ... Other possibilities do hold another way of fixing the problem ... the best one is homeopathy if removal is not in near-plans another might be the alginate (boldyloxx as above); yet another is the removal plan at http://www.shokos.com if the mercury is removed.


John


Hi John,

Nice to have your input. I hope you are doing well. (We know that 'well' is in the relative sense as we can all be worse! but I like to use the term anyway . . . at least for myself!)

I have been doing the chlorella, aged garlic (MSM sometimes for same effect) and fresh cilantro in green drinks not the extract. (Not regularly with the cilantro.) On the shokos site, they say we can use this while amalgams are still present.  Is that your understanding? My only choice at this point in time (and, unfortunately, the foreseeable future) is to mitigate the damage while my amalgams remain. So, is it your understanding that with the garlic and cilantro the chlorella does minimize mercury toxicity with amalgams still in place? What I understood the cilantro does was actually free MORE mercury from brain, spinal cord and fatty tissue to be dumped for somethin ELSE to clean up and escort out.

I purposely have only taken the crypto  (Shokos) when I have vulgaris (Kyoto chlorella, Swanson Vitamins) or pyrenoidosa (Sun Chlorella) to go along with it b/c the crypto does NOT have the cell wall component of the other two that does the binding with the heavy metals. I consider the crypto a chlorella more suited to rebuilding/regenerating and the vulgaris and pyrenoidosa more chelating/detoxifying strains.

I know I FEEL lousy when I run out of the chlorella. I mean can't-stay-up-more-than-minutes-at-a-time lousy when I have lapses of a week or more without it. I feel I should trust what MY body is saying to ME, but I'm not so naive that I think that is ALL there is to knowing when something is harming me insidiously. Yep, John, frustrated to about 99%.  

Thank you for contributing.  

P.S. I can take as many of the tiny little chlorella pills with no ill feeling at all. Maybe more elimination which is fine. If my $$ are there, I have taken the 45 tablet dose routinely. I have never tried any other brands than the ones listed above.

I did read that about 30% of the population cannot and should not take chlorella because of an 'enzyme' issue that amounts to an allergic reaction to it. If anyone needs to pursue that advice just say so and I'll find and post where I read that.


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I don't know the answer to the chlorella question, but what I have read is that chlorella is one substance that cleans up free mercury, and does not liberate it if it is not already circulating.  But who knows??  There is so much conflicting opinion on everything.  

Anyway, I'm still taking it and still have a few fillings left.  I guess I just feel better when I take it than when I don't.



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Hi LuHu,

you are doing what you can .... wish I had your clarity of thought years ago ... you're doin' fine

Victoria, I don't know if there is any way to find out ... most biochemists make no distiction at all between the metallic form and the ionic form.  Every time someone writes of zinc. copper, calcium, sodium. potassium, etc ... and a reaction in the body, they are automatically talking about these minerals in their ionic form.  Even iron is in its ionic form (actually has two ionic forms) and is not at all like that piece of metal that makes a car.

Enter mercury amalgams ... as amalgams the mercury is the metal and almost inert.  However, when it becomes ionic-mercury it becomes very bio-available, especially to nerve tissue.  Most biologists assume that when you are talking about mercury removal, you are speaking of ionic-mercury.  When a person has some amalgam fillings, it acts like a readily available source of mercury to replace the ionic form.  If your chlorella is sufficient to stop the toxicity from really getting-out-of-hand, great!

Many people have observed an appreciable loss of symptoms only after removal ... however, there are no guarantees!  Many folks try very hard and a few don't give-in easily ..... LuHu is one!  [Gees, I luv her spunk!]

John


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Well, guys, let's just keep trying to get our amalgams out.  It may not be a perfect solution, but it's all I've got to go on right now.  I have an appointment with a new dentist in about 3 weeks to begin the process on the remaining metal.  I can't afford it.  I'm doing it anyway and I will find a way.  



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I just got an appointment with my holistic mercury-free dentist for tomorrow morning to get my third dental quadrant mercury filling replacement revision done. It will be for my upper left quadrant, which has two teeth that have mercury fillings.

That will leave my upper right quadrant to still be done, which has 3 teeth with mercury fillings.

Maybe at the rate I am going I will be done by the end of the year.


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Go for it, Don!  You are an inspiration to us all!!  

We all need to be independently wealthy to clean up our mouths from horrible dental practices.  Who thought of the idea of squeezing poison into holes in human teeth, anyway? !!!!  Barbaric!



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Yes, the cost between the dentist for mercury fillings replacement and the doctor for homeopathic detox and healing treatments for the mercury exposure and toxicity is very expensive. However, I think it is my only hope to getting healthy again. As they say "you can't take it (money) with you". Besides I can't expect to get my career and finances back on track until I do get healthy again so I am going after it as agressively as I can. Hopefully, getting healthy will pay me back many times over in the long run financially as well as in many other ways.


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I just got an appointment with my holistic mercury-free dentist for tomorrow morning to get my third dental quadrant mercury filling replacement revision done. It will be for my upper right quadrant, which has two teeth that have mercury fillings.

That will leave my upper right quadrant to still be done, which has 3 teeth with mercury fillings.

Maybe at the rate I am going I will be done by the end of the year.


Wooohoo!!! Yippee indeed. What a biggee to look forward to---mercury free mouth from 2007 on!! So happy for you. I know you have to get the 'go ahead' from your medical dr. to have add'l work done so that must mean he thinks you are holding your own (or better!) with the past work that was done. Sooooo good, Don. Cheering, cheering, cheering!!

Do you mean to write that you will have your lower right quadrant w/ 3 mercury fillings left after the work tomorrow?

We are sending many good thoughts your way and looking forward to the improvements to follow this arduous journey.


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Hi John,

Thanks for the vote of confidence in me.  I'm a big fan of you as well.  

Take good care.


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Oops, I made a mistake in my previous post, which I just corrected. I am getting my upper left quadrant done tomorrow, which leaves my upper right quadrant to still be done.

I had several weeks of trouble from the mercury exposure after the first quadrant mercury filling replacement revision. My fatigue problems were much worse, which required 2 detox treatments ($$$) before I felt better. That made me concerned about how long it would take to complete the process and about the additional cost for the extra detox treatment. However, I only had one bad day after the second quadrant was done using only one detox treatment.

Hopefully, I recover well after the next two quadrant revisions too. However, I assume/expect that I will require several or maybe even many more homeopathic treatments after the last quadrant is done to finish the detox and endocrine system healing process.

LuHu, I hope you get some good news soon about your mercury fillings replacement.


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Don,
I remember sometime back in the late '60's or early '70's, there was a natural product company whose motto was "Health is our only true wealth".  At the time, I was young, and that went right over my head.  Health?  I totally took it for granted!  

Well, no more.  I have experienced for myself how my life can come to a stand-still if my health is failing.  There is no amount of money that will buy a good quality of life, if we don't have our health.



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I have experienced for myself how my life can come to a stand-still if my health is failing.  There is no amount of money that will buy a good quality of life, if we don't have our health.


So true.

I had a debate with a woman I was dating a couple of years ago about which was more important money or health. This was after I started the BTD and had my mercury caused health colapse and I clearly picked health. I could not get her to understand that health was more important then money. She firmly believed that with money she could buy health from western medicine practitioners. As far as I am concerned that couldn't be further from the truth.


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I had several weeks of trouble from the mercury exposure after the first quadrant mercury filling replacement revision. My fatigue problems were much worse, which required 2 detox treatments ($$$) before I felt better. That made me concerned about how long it would take to complete the process and about the additional cost for the extra detox treatment. However, I only had one bad day after the second quadrant was done using only one detox treatment.

Hopefully, I recover well after the next two quadrant revisions too. However, I assume/expect that I will require several or maybe even many more homeopathic treatments after the last quadrant is done to finish the detox and endocrine system healing process.


What looks like a trend toward shorter recovery time after your amalgam removal is promising, Don. I would interpret it as moving in the right direction resulting from the diminished burden to your system after amalgam removal.

I could not fathom a wiser way to spend any available funds that weren't allocated for sustenance than to use it in any reasonable effort to support a well body/being. I think there is sufficient support to believe that in susceptible individuals amalgams contribute very heavily to dis-ease states.  Therefore doing whatever is reasonably possible to remove that negative component from our health profile is very prudent.

Of course this is anecdotal evidence because MS flares happen randomly anyway, but I find it extremely suspect that after having had no new lesions on MRI for 16+ months w/o meds I found myself in crazy, (stoooopid crazy) active rampant demyelination within weeks of a single amalgam removal in a non mercury safe procedure---confirmed by MRI. Of course that makes me quite apprehensive about the removal process should I get the opp'y to replace the amalgams, but I would not have a 'regular' dentist do the removal/replacement. Even still, as you can see from Don's description of the aftercare, much support is necessary to mitigate the hazards during/after removal. Willing isn't even the word to describe how compliant I would be to do aftercare if given the chance to get this poison out of my body.  

"LuHu, I hope you get some good news soon about your mercury fillings replacement."

Thank you, Don. We're sooo with you, tomorrow!


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... She firmly believed that with money she could buy health from western medicine practitioners. As far as I am concerned that couldn't be further from the truth.

I should have added that I now know that all my serious health problems over the past 13 or so years have been caused by the mercury dental work done by dentists and the totally incorrect, expensive, and sometimes painful (surgery) treatments by doctors following that as my health deteriated.



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I see you as healing, and happy, and getting more so every day.  Have a great day tomorrow, Don!  



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I had my upper left dental quadrant mercury filling replacement revision done Wed. morning. I felt fine afterwards, but by 5 or 6 PM Wed. the extra mercury exposure hit me. My fatigue became much worse so I went to bed and slept for a couple of hours.

I have developed a noticeable symptom to this post dental work mercury exposure. The symptom is that I get pain/discomfort/stiffness in the back of my left knee when I move it in certain ways. This serves as a useful tool for me know when my body is suffering from the extra mercury exposure. Sure enough this symptom developed Wed. afternoon/evening. I find it interesting that after the first two dental quadrant revisions I didn't notice the effects of the extra mercury exposure until 1 week and 4 days later, respectively, and this time it occurred in 1/2 a day. I am not sure what that means.  

Anyway, Thursday morning I received from my doctor the ultra high potency (500M & 900M) homeopathic remedies that I didn't already have that he wanted me to use this time. I started the protocol shortly after getting them and finished with the protocol of 5 different remedies by late afternoon. Taking the remedies usually makes me tired and Thursday was no different. I took 2 or 3 long naps. The good news is my left knee stopped hurting by Thursday evening and still seems perfectly fine today so hopefully that is all of the worst of the extra mercury exposure from this time.

I didn't sleep well last night. I felt wide awake much of the night. That also happens to me sometimes after doing these treatments. Probably because of the adrenal cortex remedy. However, I feel OK today so far. Hopefully, I will make it until bedtime without having to nap and will sleep well tonight.

The good news is the doctor told me that in a week or two I am free to go ahead and schedule my last dental quadrant revision whenever I want to as long as I feel OK. That means that I might be able to finish the dental work this year.


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Hi Don,

Thanks for the update. I have been wondering how things went. Hearing that you got the go ahead to complete the amalgam removal is great. I'm thinking, all the good things that you are doing to support your body will no longer be `two steps forward, one step back!' It will all 'stick!' Hooray, hooray! I'm not unrealistic, I know you will have a lot to repair, renew, etc., after your last quadrant is done, but I still see what you have accomplished as wonderful progress that no one can take back.

May things continue to improve for you.


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I'm excited for you, Don!    It takes a lot of courage to plow through it like you are doing, and I salute you!!



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Hello everybody! I've read the whole thread eagerly searching answers on chlorella.
I've found on the web contadicting info on chlorella and spirulina...
I've been taking Miracle greens for a few months and now I see here that chlorella (one of the ingredients) can have side effects with mercury fillings! My dentist assures me that there is practically no release in the bloodstream!? Is there a site that objectively deals with the subject?
Should I, at the meantime, stop chlorella or, add "algin" to my diet as suggest in this thread?
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I would continue with the chlorella, unless you notice noticeable discomfort.

chlorella has helped many get through detox.


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My dentist assures me that there is practically no release in the bloodstream!? Is there a site that objectively deals with the subject?

If you are saying that your dentist is telling you that mercury fillings do not release mercury into your body then that is absolutely not true.

Their are many Internet sites devoted to the health issues caused by mercury from dental amalgams. You can start with watching the smoking teeth video on this website: http://www.iaomt.com/



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Hello All,

The word "Chlorella" caught my eye, as I have been working with my mither's health food company for the past two years, which specialises in Chlorella and other algae supplements.

As such, I know a lot of background info about Chlo, and spent a substantial time translating huge swathes of research results into French. I'm fairly well informed, you might say. Which is why I will allow myself the following outburst...

First off, as regards spacemanager's query, it is unlikely that you will find a site that offers completely objective advice on Chlorella. That is because the more generalised health food sites tend to offer more general information, and the sites specialising in Chlorella will usually (though not always - our own company has always operated on the basis of 'you can never offer enough information + reliable sources') tend to present info with a bias in favour of Chlorella. Which is fantastic, but which is not everyone panacea, for the obvious reason that, as we all know here, everyone is different and has individual needs.

The side-effects of this algae are usually no worse than mild to moderate diarrhea and gases, which will usually resorb quite fast, although it is a good idea to up doses very slowly if you find youself with these symptoms.

In cases of heavy-metal poisoning however, it is obviously imperative to start detoxication under proper therapeutic supervision. A number of people regularly ring us up to complain that Chlorella has given them severe headaches. In most cases, this indicates that this person unknowingly suffers from heavy-metal poisoning, or similar case of severe pollution.

In cases where people are using Chlorella in conjunction with amalgam removals, the facts are pretty straight-forward: the indigestible membrane of the Chlorella cell attracts toxins, literally like a sponge absorbs water, with the difference that the poisons are then bound to the cellulose shell, which allows the body to excrete the toxins along with the cell envelope. Headaches, tiredness and other symptoms are caused by the reappearance of the toxins in the bloodstream, which is a necessary step in the excretion process. To aid evacuation, the best idea is to drink large quantities of water, and upping the Chlorella dose is sometimes recommended, in order to provide enough cellulose to absorb all the nexly liberated toxins.

On the basis of information provided by Dr Thierry Thomas, an accredited French dentist operating from Lille an specialising in amalgam removal, Chlorella is perhaps best used in a structured detoxication protocol, using among others coriander and 'ail des ours'. He recommends starting the process with Chlorella, as its effects are gradual, and it has the advantage of targeting the 'bad' minerals: mercury, lead etc, and providing the body with a wide array of vitamins and minerals to aid recovery. Other practitioners will no doubt offer different advice. As with so many things, there is no unique way of doing things.

I feel compelled to mention that this is in no way me telling anyone what to do, as auto-medication is an extremely bad idea in cases such as these. I just thought that it would be interesting to provide some info on how Chlorella works, as this information doesn't seem to be readily available from verifiable sources.

I would love to be able to link to these studies, but most of them are not available free on the internet... I can however back up this info with accredited sources, if anyone wishes to track these down for further and more detailed info. Just give me time to phone the office up .

Incidentally... may I use this post to express my neverending gatitude towards my mother, who has succeeded, in the face of overwhelming financial adversity, in providing my terrible teeth with gold inlays, never, ever mercury.

Oh, and good luck to all the people out there who are going through the exhausting process of amlgam removal. Or bon courage, more like.


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I did read that about 30% of the population cannot and should not take chlorella because of an 'enzyme' issue that amounts to an allergic reaction to it. If anyone needs to pursue that advice just say so and I'll find and post where I read that.


I'd be very interested to know where you found that info, as it sounds highly dubious, as do most generalisations...


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I appreciate the information you provided, Esmerelda.  That reflects my own experience with chlorella.

Although I still have a few large amalagams left, I have continued to take chlorella, and definitely feel better taking it than I do when I am not taking it.  It is not a substitute for having the mercury removed, but I consider it a survival tool in helping to protect my body from the mercury that is still being released as I gradually continue to have these toxic fillings removed from my teeth.


What would you say is a reasonable dose for someone who takes the powder daily for a long period of time?  I am currently ingesting something like 3/4 tsp/ day of the cracked cell powder.



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For normal consumption, about 3g grams of powder or pills a day is the standard dose that the body requires to benefit from Chlorella's nutrient and detoxicating effects. Not being a big fan of the powder form, I can't say exactly how many teaspoons that would be.. I'll try messing around with scales and crushed pills and get back to you!

If you're having amalgams taken out (I wish you the best of luck with those by the way!), you could probably go for 4g without too much trouble, if you're used to taking it regularly. Mind you, the body usually knows best, so I find the best way if for people to find out for themselves what dose is best. Try taking more gradually and see what happens.

On an aside, it's practically impossible to overdose on chlorella, or at least no negative side-effects have ever been noticed that I know of. Excluding the occasional digestive trouble at the beginning, that is!
Even in a study involving patients with brain tumours, where they were taking the equivalent of about 80 grams a day, no side-effects(except positive) were reported. That said, in the case of heavy metals, especially when you're having fillings extracted (which temporarily releases even more poison into the body), always best to rely on a practitioner's advice... They have much more field experience than me.


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I'd be very interested to know where you found that info, as it sounds highly dubious, as do most generalisations...


Hi Esmerelda,

Nice to have your input. Here is the quote and the link to read the article in its entirety.  

"Caution: About 30% of people can't tolerate chlorella. This may be due to optimized function of the enzyme cellulase. If you are unable to tolerate this it would be wise to consider adding an enzyme with cellulase in it to help digest the chlorella.

Dose: One can start out with a one quarter of a teaspoon of the powder (one 500 mg tablet) once a day initially to confirm that there is no hypersensitivity present. Work up slowly over one to two weeks to a dose of one teaspoon (ten tablets or capsules) per day. Once you tolerate this dose you are able to use it to bind the mercury. Use this dose starting two days prior to your chelation and for one day afterwards. The chlorella will thoroughly coat your intestine and bind like a sponge to any mercury that the DMPS liberates into the gut.

The above dose is based on a 150 pound adult. If you are using the program for children reduce the dose proportionately. (So a 30 pound child would have have 30/150 or 1/5 (20%) of the dose).

Caution: If at any time one develops nausea or starts "burping up" the chlorella taste then the chlorella should be stopped immediately as a food sensitivity is developing which will only worsen if you continue taking it. If this happens you should switch to ProChitosan This binds similarly to mercury. Its dose is dependent on your bowel movements."


from http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/detox_protocol.htm


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Esmerelda,
Another question for you:  What is 'ail des ours'?

If you find info, please let us know how much chlorella is in 3 grams.  I used to take the little pills, until I started adding chlorella to my blender drinks.  I don't taste it at all with all the delicious things that go into the power drink.  And it's so much less expensive, so I can afford to use it on a daily basis.

And thanks!  



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Got that, Lola!  Of course, it's been decades since I studied French, so I understand that it is in the onion family, but don't recognize it as a plant that is available locally.  



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ask around, they might have it....


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Sorry, I have a tendency to use French words when I have no idea what the English equivalent is but feel they're necessary! It's a form of garlic that's very effective in ridding the body of heavy metals and the like, but presents the inconvenient that it tends to demineralize the body without distinguishing between beneficial and dangerous minerals. It is however very, very effective and as such is often used in cases where it's important to get as much mercury out as possible in a short space of time, usually in cases where people are experiencing severe symptoms. Again, use differs widely...

It should be possible to get hold of some through supplement and natural remedies company - English wikipedia article is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allium_ursinum

So at least I know the English name now!

LuHu, thanks a lot for the link and quotes. It sounds very, very doubtful to me, especially as  

"Caution: If at any time one develops nausea or starts "burping up" the chlorella taste then the chlorella should be stopped immediately as a food sensitivity is developing which will only worsen if you continue taking it."

could make a lot of people misinterpret the early discomfort when taking Chlorella for something much more serious than what it actually is: the body starting a purifying and detoxifying process. Plus, for over 50 years of studies carried out on Chlorella, I've never seen mention of anything similar to this info. So, definitely worth looking into, as a little misinformation can go a long way...


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I ll stick with the cilantro pesto for maintenance! )


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You can have the cilantro, Lola!  lol!  

Try as I might, I can't stand the taste of cilantro . . !!!  But chlorella, which many people would consider a bad taste, is fine for me.  



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Age: 58
I love cilantro!
pico de gallo isn t right without it!! lol


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
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