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jayney-O
Friday, November 17, 2006, 10:04pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Its not a good thing....I used to have a lot of that....its usually a sign of hormone imbalance, like maybe heavy on the estrogen...your age may factor in re hormones....
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I'm only 33, but I have been estrogen dominant in the past, so that could be part of what's going on again I guess.  

Are there any foods that are especially bad for this?  I know I have problems with soy causing these problems, but I haven't had any of that for quite a while now.  Can avoids in general cause problems with estrogen levels?  I haven't been that compliant lately with my eating - so cleaning it up could probably help me a lot I would think?

And are there any specific beneficals that are good in helping with this?


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I am not a doc but I3C may be good...it detoxes estrogen... and flax may be balancing...I'm just putting out ideas...wait to hear from someone more knowledgeable...

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What is I3C?  I've never heard of it?  

Any the bleeding has now stopped and thing seem back to normal now thankfully.  I guess I'll keep an eye on what my cycles do from now on and if it continues to change.  


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Indole 3 carbinol...

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I'm only 33, but I have been estrogen dominant in the past, so that could be part of what's going on again I guess.  

Are there any foods that are especially bad for this?  I know I have problems with soy causing these problems, but I haven't had any of that for quite a while now.


According to Julia Chang of SensibleHealth.com, the following foods and herbs have estrogenic properties:

Herbs: Anise, hops, fennel, black cohosh, milk thistle, clover, red clover, Don Quai, licorice, ginseng, royal jelly, peony, nettle, sage, fenugreek, evening primrose oil, burdock, chamomile, rhubarb

Foods: French bean, date palm, dates, garlic, pomegrante, apple, soybean, chickpea, cherry, alfafa, soy sprouts, cow pea, green beans, red beans, split peas, flaxseed, rasberry, carrot and squash.

Alia


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herbs in FemBalance are adaptogenic meaning
they lower what's too high and raise what's
too low, you might want to look into those perhaps.


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But does this mean I shouldn't be taking the deflet?  It made me feel pretty awful the could days I took it - but I thought that was because it may have been helping me detox?  Because not only did I have the increased bleeding - (that only lasted a day) but I also generally didn't feel all that great - headachy and really wiped out generally.  Should I keep up with the deflect and try to get some FemBalance?  Or maybe I should start out with a lower dosage of the deflect?  


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Also, would you all recommend Dr. D's menopause book for problems like estrogen domonance/perimenopause?  Does it also deal with women who are getting those kinds of symptoms too early?


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There's fucus v. in Deflect and maybe it's upping your metabolism.  I take 2 in the morning and then occasionally if I think I might have ingested an avoid in something I ate.
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So, what kind of reactions would I be having if it was upping my metabolism - would that be something that could cause the extra bleeding towards the end of my period?  It was quite heavy for almost an entire day and my husband kept asking me if I was feeling ok and seemed sort of worried about me because I was definately off in how I was feeling.  
I actually felt worst after taking the deflect than I do after injesting avoids - but I'm trying to figure out if that's just from my body not being used to what's in the deflect and I have to give it time to adjust.  Which I'm willing to do that as long as I know what's going on is a normal reaction to Deflect when first starting to take it??  


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I seem to remember reading a post of Dr. D's in the old message board where he wrote about the possibility of a negative reaction to Deflect and that the people that had that kind of reaction were the ones that needed Deflect the most. I believe he just suggested using a lower dose to get rid of the symptoms, but to keep taking it. I would assume at some point you would want to try to up your dose again, when you negative symptoms don't return, to speed up the clean up of your system.

Unfortunately, Google is not searching the old message board anymore, or at least not correctly/completely, so I can't find the message.


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Thanks Don - that's the kind of thing that I was looking for - if the bad reaction I had means I really do need the stuff then I will continue to take it I'll just start out with a smaller dose and work my way up to bigger.  If you do find anything else in writing about this do please post it - I'd really appreciate reading up on it.  
Also, does anyone know if it's ok for women to continue to take the deflect during mestration?  


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I could be missing something, but I don't think Deflect would affect your menstrual flow like that.  I don't see how it would mess with hormones.  It could cause a temporary cleansing crises, though, but the end result would be that you feel cleaner and lighter after the temporary set-back.  You could experiment by trying it next period, if you want to.  Maybe some pro-progesterone action is needed, such as starting to take Vitex (Chastetree), or using topical Wild Yam cream.

When I take Deflect, I feel better than when I don't take it.  Complexion clears up, sleep is better, etc.



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I believe it would be fine to take Deflect when menstruating.  

There would probably be a disclaimer on the bottle if there were adverse reactions for women taking the product during their cycle.

Alia


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Alia - you're right there probably would have been something on the deflect bottle if women weren't supposed to take the Deflect while menstrating.  

I took 1 pill this morning and will see how I do with the lower dosage to get me going on it.  

I think a big part of my cycle irregularities has been too much wheat and corn lately - which has probably been affecting my insulin levels and therefore messing up my hormones.  I must remember this is my reasoning for following BTD!!  Because when my hormones are out of whack I am miserable physically and emotionally - my poor hubby when I get that way  

I had a fully compliant day yesterday and did my pilates workout this morning.  Now I just need to keep it up.  


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Jordan Alexandra - born 5/12/08
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Don,
is this what you were looking for?)
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive9/config.pl?read=47985


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Don,
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http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive9/config.pl?read=47985

Yes, I believe that is the Dr. D post I was thinking of.  Thanks for finding it.


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great!


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Missy,

It think the corn and wheat consumption may be disrupting your cylce as your stated.  You can utilize one or two capsules as Dr. D'Adamo suggested in the aforementioned link.

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Thanks Lola for finding that link - I'm so glad to read that what I've been experiencing is normal - even on just 1 deflect pill in the morning I still have the headachy kind of feelings - but now at least I know to keep with it since my body is obviously needing it.  That and staying away from the wheat and corn especially so my cycles will get back to normal.  This probably also explains why I had a late period a few months ago as well - that always is really hard on me because I think I'm pregnant - when I'm not and it's just my hormones out of whack - not fun at all!!


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glad it helped! )


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NAP has had some change in staff recently. You might want to give them another try.


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