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Ribbit
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I have to brag on Deflect for a minute. See, I have a severe nightshade allergy that causes my skin to break out in huge oozy boils that last for about 8 weeks (when I was younger, I could easily have one on my neck that would be juicy for 6 months or more). After I began the BTD, my skin cleared up (it was the BTD that showed me I had the allergy) for the first time since I was 10 (I'm 28 now).

So every time I'd ingest or touch a nightshade, terror would reign until it worked its way out of my system. So my husband bought me Deflect and I started taking 6 a day. My friend fed me turkey burgers with curry powder not realizing curry powder has cayenne in it (and silly me, I didn't think to ask what was in it till after I ate it). Guess what? I had NO REACTION. Not only did Deflect deflect the lectins that cause cancer (or whatever the nightshade lectins do), it also KEPT ME FROM HAVING AN ALLERGIC REACTION!

I did not have the 2-day deep depression that starts off the reaction, nor did my skin ever break out. Then several days later I ate a salad at a Greek restaurant and asked for no tomatoes and no peppers. When it came, I ate it, then saw at the very bottom of my salad there was one strip of pepper and a tomato seed. Which means that there were pepper and tomato germs all over that salad. I nearly panicked. That should have been enough to send me into a full-fledged reaction. I HAD NO REACTION.

Three cheers for Dr. D and Deflect.


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Thanks for sharing this testimonial Ribbit.

In the NAP Product Knowledge Information regarding Deflect, it states that Deflect helps with individuals with food sensitivities.

Alia



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ribbit, thanks for sharing that story. if I could only get the DH to take some Deflect. still working on the multi, B complex and calcium. He NEEDS these but is SO opposed to taking anything.  



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Just a question, knowing how my DH is.....Is your husband opposed to taking things, or is he opposed to you asking him to?

I posted this somewhere else but I'll repeat it here.  You know how I got my DH on the BTD?  I fed him my diet for two months and nearly killed him.  (It turns out not only is he-- as a B --not supposed to have soy, he's also allergic to it.)  Then I suddenly switched him to a B diet and he felt so amazing that he's been on it ever since and talks about it constantly to everybody.  He thought the diet was a little nuts until he saw the difference in me, then experienced it himself.  When I meet people who are opposed to changing their terrible diets or taking supps of any kind, I always say, "Well, I like to feel good.  So it's worth it to me to eat this way."  It does seem, though, that not everybody even wants to feel better.  Or maybe their brains are so fogged up with American wheat that they can't think past their next piece of bread.  "What?  Change my diet?  Let me chew on that one."


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Just a question, knowing how my DH is.....Is your husband opposed to taking things, or is he opposed to you asking him to?
It does seem, though, that not everybody even wants to feel better.  Or maybe their brains are so fogged up with American wheat that they can't think past their next piece of bread.  "What?  Change my diet?  Let me chew on that one."


my DH is just opposed to taking pills period. i could count the times on one hand that he's taken anything other than the stuff I've given him, in the past 6 mths prob. he says 'he doesn't like to put foreign substances in his temple'. He's so funny!!       Now for drugs, yea! him.     for the things he really needs, he needs a little gentle persuasion.
 I think people want to feel better, they just don't want to have to change the things they'd have to change to do so. Ohhhhh, speaking of change, the DH is way opposed to changing anything that is not HIS idea. Maybe *I* should do what you did and feed him my diet for a mth.  wow, bet THAT would change his mind! I know he feels better having  given up certain things as long as he did because even tho he's back on the bacon, sausage and beef    , he did PASS UP the beef tonight in favor of well..............never mind...........he had pork.  that's no better or maybe it is I don't know. He did say tho that he'd let me have the beef since I can have more beef than he.  Zipped the lip, didn't say a negatory word.
but yes, I agree w/ you that peoples brains are so fogged up from wheat they can't see the sense in BTD.  



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Well, if he doesn't want to put anything foreign into his temple (I can understand that), maybe just being on the BTD with no pills would help enough.  I know it has for me.  When I went on the BTD, I was able to stop taking every one of my supps.  I stopped taking my thyroid supplement (didn't need it anymore!), stopped taking vit. C (my immune system works on its own!), stopped taking calcium/magnesium for nightly leg cramps (I quit having nightly leg cramps), and stopped taking chlorophyll to make me more alkaline (the BTD makes me alkaline).

Here's another interesting thing about the BTD and my stomach acid level.  In past pregnancies when I'd throw up, even while dry heaving I'd throw up stomach acid.  Now?  I don't have stomach acid.  When I throw up my food, it tastes like food, not like stomach acid.  When I dry heave, there's nothing there--no stomach acid to taste on the way up.  Interesting, huh?  Even when I throw up water, it just tastes like water.


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Yes, but that's not good is it?  We are supposed to taste stomach acid when we throw up (at least if the food has been down a while)--otherwise, as I understand it, our digestion is not working properly, and our food digests by fermentation rather than acid breakdown.  This can lead to malabsorption, excess candida, and other imbalances.  At least that is my understanding for O's--maybe A's are different--but this is a very important issue for me, so if I am missing something, I hope others will chime in.
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The Deflect is extremely good for Nonsecretors and Celiac people.  CB


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I don't know, Elizabeth.  It doesn't make much sense to me, I was just saying that's how it is.  Now I did eat two dried apricots the other day and when they came back up there was certainly stomach acid with it.  I guess it depends on what I eat.

It does seem that I spoke too early when I started this post.  My skin has broken out, but instead of dozens of huge boils, I only have a couple of big ones and the rest of it just looks like acne.  But at least I didn't have the depression associated with ingesting nightshades, thanks to Deflect.

A question about Deflect:  should I just take two along with a meal when I know I'm eating an avoid, or should I continue to take them every meal for a few days after I've eaten an avoid?


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Ribbit,
With your strong sensitivities and tendency to skin eruptions, I think Deflect would be of benefit to you if you take it on an on-going basis for a while.  I would say one with each meal and at least once a day, take one on an empty stomach.



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Hi Ribbit,

My experiences with Deflect are very unique and personal to myself and I am not suggesting or advocating how I use this product is correct for every person; I'm an individual who has food and/or stomach sensitivities and I take one Deflect with my breakfast, lunch, and dinner on an ongoing basis every day.

I am 100% compliant for my blood type to the best of my knowledge and I do not occasionally cheat on avoids because I have no desire to. I believe the Deflect has helped me immensely; I am cognizant of this because I have skipped using Deflect for one or two meals or I had accidently run out of my Deflect without a backup supply, and I innately knew there was a difference without my use of the product.

I encourage you to experiment with the product at various dosages/length periods. I believe we each know our bodies better than anyone else to attest to the validity of how a product is working for us.

Alia


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Quoted from Alia_Vo

I am 100% compliant for my blood type to the best of my knowledge and I do not occasionally cheat on avoids because I have no desire to.  
Alia


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Interesting.  Even being 100% compliant, you still benefit from Deflect.  Hm.  Why?  I thought all Deflect did was block lectins.  If you're not getting any negative lectins, why would it help you?  That's interesting.  

My A son ate potatoes and got a rash on his cheeks, arms, and down one leg.  That was over a week ago and it still hasn't faded.  So I opened a Deflect and dumped it in his applesauce.  The next morning, the bubbly rash on his cheeks were dried up and his arms look normal again.  Looks like he has the same potato issues I do.  

Question:  without knowing my secreter status, is there a way to tell by my reactions to avoids?  Like, does a secreter secrete bad lectins through the skin or anything?


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Quoted from Ribbit
Interesting.  Even being 100% compliant, you still benefit from Deflect.  Hm.  Why?  I thought all Deflect did was block lectins.  If you're not getting any negative lectins, why would it help you?  That's interesting.

I suggest you read the whole article, but this quote might answer your question.
Quoted from The DEFLECT line of lectin-blocking formulas
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/nap/archives/00000010.htm
2. It is used to primarily repair lectin damage, typically by lowering the activity of lectins in the gut and blood. Some lectins are are not food derived (such as bacteria, Candida, pollen, or even our own immune systems) and dietary avoidance will not inhibit them.




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Ah.  Thanks, Don.


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I know I feel better when taking Deflect even though I am compliant.  Deflect is one supplement I won't be without by choice.  Take care .  CB


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Deflect sounds wonderful!  What exactly is in it?
I wish Dr. D's stuuf was available in stores.  I don't like to deal with the mail & have never ordered anything on line with a credit card!
I guess I'm in the dark ages!
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Sorry about the typo!
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Quoted from Mrs_T_O+
Sorry about the typo!
I meant stuff!
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Do you realize that you can modify any post of yours for a couple of days after you post it to make changes such as your typo? If the modify button is visiable above your post you can still edit it.

If you want you can edit it now and then delete your message about the typo!

Then I will delete this message.



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I wish Dr. D's stuff was available in stores.  I don't like to deal with the mail & have never ordered anything on line with a credit card!

I can buy some of NAP's products in Health food stores locally. Have you tried call any of the HFS in your area?


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Another product that may assist with food allergies is Intrinsa.  It is Butyric Acid and Caprylic Acid, higher in butyric.  I'd been looking for a product such as this for a long time.  It may be of assistance too.  Take care.  CB


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I ran out of Deflect and my skin is breaking out.  Help!  And just in time for Thanksgiving when I may be eating funny things accidentally.  I'm waiting on my next shipment but it's been several days now.....


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This is sort of off topic from this conversation, but it does have to do with Deflect - did anyone feel really off when first starting to take Deflect and is this common - maybe an adjusment period the body goes through with it?  I want to give it another chance but don't want to feel awful the entire time I'm taking it?


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You can keep trying periodically, but there may be something that simply doesn't work for you.  While we have learned a lot, there is still a lot to discover in everything but especially with regard to the individuality of people.  Good luck.  You may wish to try the Intrinsa product.  We are having positive results.  Take care.  CB.


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I think I will still keep trying with the Deflect - but maybe in smaller doses to help my body adjust to it.  I guess if I knew that Deflet caused detox type symptoms that would be helpful to know and would really explain what I was probably experiencing.  


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Sometimes it's not clear what is causing symptoms.  We may think it's one thing, when it could be another.  Your problems may be detoxing, Missy, or you could just be in a hormone imbalance that is coinciding with your Deflect experiment.  You could take a break from the deflect and see if the other symptoms disappear, then try the deflect again later, or do as you are thinking, which is decrease the dose for a while and let your body get used to it.



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Yes, it has been confusing because I'm not sure if I would have had the extra bleeding anyway at the end of my period if I hadn't taken the Deflect or if it was caused by the Deflect - that's why I keep asking so many questions about it. Anyway - I think I'll just keep experimenting with it by taking it in lower dosages for a while.

Oh and I also found some info on wheat/corn causing insulin spikes - which could also explain the odd bleeding since I believe the extra insulin also leads to extra estrogen which is not a good thing at all for me. This would probably be my biggest reason for avoiding wheat and corn - if I can ever get that through my thick head that is!!


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