Quoted from dancer

Do you think that I could  use INTRINSA instead of CAPRYLIC ACID 350 mg 2v/day  ( recommended in Yeast Infection Protocol)?

From my understanding, Intrinsa's purpose is to help heal gut villi.  Increase the integrity of the gut.  I've not seen anything that says Intrinsa will kill candida.  However, Intrinsa does have 335mg of caprylic acid in it's formula, which does kill candida.

I think Intrinsa could be a good adjunct to killing candida.  You could try it alone for a few months and see what results you get.

Quoted from dancer

Do you think that I could  use INTRINSA instead of CAPRYLIC ACID 350 mg 2v/day  ( recommended in Yeast Infection Protocol)?

dancer, do you feel the caprylic acid has been helping?  I started taking it last week and then got sidetracked about using it. I think I'm going to get back on it to see if it helps. I bought that because I noticed it was in all the candida fighting supplements at WF.  The c/a on it's own was much cheaper. Don't know if it wil be as effective tho.

Italybound , ciao!
I've never taken caprylic acid to fight my yeast infection and candida...!
So I was asking to myself if INTRINSA could be sufficient to improve my gut integrity  +  kill yeast, aspergyllus and candida in my system...

Quoted from dancer

Italybound , ciao! I've never taken caprylic acid to fight my yeast infection and candida...!So I was asking to myself if INTRINSA could be sufficient to improve my gut integrity  +  kill yeast, aspergyllus and candida in my system...

In this case, hope somebody gives us some good news!  

http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=NP054

read all about it and decide.....

I had good results with Caprylic acid for yeast infections, so I take a bottle with me whenever I travel (since that's when it flares up)

The Intrinsa is working better for me now that I've started taking it again, though at a lower dosage than before.  It always has seemed to help with my white lines, even when it was a bit too potent for me.

Melissa, how much caprylic acid did you take a day? The ones I have are Solaray brand. Ingred:
Calcium (as Caprylate)          162 mg
Magnesium ("   ")                    82 mg
Zinc            (  "  )                     7 mg
Caprylic acid                       2163 mg
          (from calcium, magnesium and zinc caprylates)

Yesterday's Ask Dr. D column answered my question about Intrinsa, I think:

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Ghee contains short chain fatty acids that really help energize the cells that line the colon, and in exchange, they will work better and interact more efficiently with the bacteria in the gut, further enhancing the breakdown of fiber, which in turn makes more short chain fatty acids, which energize the cells of the colon lining, which…

So, it would appear I needed a bit of that fiber effect

Oh, sorry I never answered the caprylic acid question, I just took the capsules according to the instructions on the bottle, I don't remember the dose, but I think it was Solaray.  Now I just take what's in Intrinsa.

Well, guys, I thought that the eczema and itchy rash I was experiencing was coming from the lemons I had been putting on my salad, but now I believe that I am having the reaction from the Intrinsa I have been taking for the last week or so.  It is the SAME reaction I get when I have tried to eat ghee or in the past, butter of any kind.  WHAT is going on?  Am I reacting to the butyric acid?  My hands are very rashy, my legs are itchy, my lips are peeling and cracked, and a certain other area (private) is becoming a bit itchy too now, JUST like when I have tried ghee.  

Oh my goodness, what is going on with me?  I don't understand!  Is this butyric acid derived from butter or am I just reacting to the acid itself?  I don't get it!  Help!  

AND, I just took another couple of them earlier tonight.  Ugh!  I knew something was wrong, but anyway, it has gotten WAY worse...exactly like when I've had butter or ghee.  I can't believe this...

Stop taking it and see if you get improvement.  For product support, call NAP at 877-ABO-TYPE  Here's a write up on the Intrinsa:  http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/nap/archives/00000026.htm

Tina,

I very much concur that this is an allergic reaction .... as such it is outside the normal processes written about for BTD (allergic-reaction is a different biological process).  The vast majority of allergies to milk are to milk-protein, which is why ghee is OK (for almost everyone).  In a very rare case (it seems you are one) a person is allergic to milk-fat.

So what to do ??????????????  A good homeopath or acupuncturist or specialist in TCM may assist.  Possibly an MSM cream might assist.  Several decades ago a friend had a allergic reaction and the hospital-MD gave him adrenalin (to speed things up-a-bit via quick turnover).  His wanting company for a walk at 2:00 a.m. was a bit much, though.

John

Oh my goodness, its so wierd to read this.  I went through two bottles of Intrinsia for my colitis - and I actaully thought it made it worse.  At first I thought it was some sort of cleansing reaction so I just kept taking it and kind of forgot the quality of my 'pre-Intrinsia bowel health' (If that makes any sense).

Anyways, I was kinda nervous to run out cause I figured it was doing something good, but when I did my colitis actaully improved a bit.

I actaully attributed this to the caprylic acid in the product as its something I was taking when my colitis flared up for the first time.  Maybe I'm just sensitive.

So...I've ordered a plain butyrate supplement from Nutricology (Just butrate from calcium and magnesium - no caprylic acid) so we'll see what happens.

In any event, take care of yourself - eczema like rashes are really a pain in the 'you know what'.  Maybe some quercetin?

Good grief.  Leave it to me to be a rare one-in-a-million case!  I'm not surprised.  Anyway, I of course stopped taking it this a.m. and the itching is milder already, though not gone of course.  It was take several days to come out of my system completely, like the ghee does.  BROTHER!  I want to say, "I give up!" but I don't of course.  It's just soooooooooo frustrating, this leaky gut thing!  

Well, I am going to TRY and take the recommended protocol of glutamine 200 mg and see what happens.  In the past, glutamine constipates me, but maybe in this smaller amount it won't.  I also received my Deflect O today.  Will this help me?  I sure hope I don't react to something in that too!!!  

What about chromium?  Does anyone take and use that?  Why can I not seem to process these fats?

Tina...as a nonnie, I too, think you are having a reaction to the Intrinsa.  Nice to hear that since you have stopped taking it the itching is already milder.   Although I don't have any reaction to ghee (thank goodness) I do have rash and itch symptoms when the dairy is entered into my body.   I am able to use Defect O so I hope you can too (it may help with getting rid of the Intrinsa) and that you find a solution to your colitis problem.  

Nice picture.

Debra  

For allergic reactions, I also use Dark's recommendation of Quercetin.  I'm never without it in the house!

I found this online on an IBS website.  I don't suffer from IBS now, but I used to.  I am wondering if this is my problem with fat.  Hmmm...also I do take Seacure, but I think I should up it to at least 9 or so a day, 3 before each meal.  I started l-glutamine today too.  I also realized that the reason I keep getting gassy when I eat the sardines is either the smoking process or most likely, the fat.  I had a feeling, but I know fat is good for me.  Somehow I am just not processing it...


"A subset of patients with IBS also suffer from fat malabsorption or fat intolerance. It is easy to avoid fat when you are cooking at home, but dining out makes it harder. I
have patients that curtail their social life because they are afraid they will wind up spending dessert time in the bathroom. For these folks, I often recommend Chitosan, a novel fiber supplement made from the exoskeletons of shellfish. Chitosan is able to bind dietary fat and take it out of the system. Of course, no one who is allergic to seafood should take this supplement."

Tina,

if you are up to a little experimenting ... try a little lecithin with meat/fat intake.  [Found out lately the some lecithin (soy granules)  on my hamburger meat tastes much like the cheese of a cheese-burger.]

John

I was actually thinking of that, but didn't know if soy would be good for me or not.  Gotta be so cautious you know!  What brand do you use?

For the present, it's the NOW brand ... GMO free .... difficult to find these days.  When I can afford it, I like the lecithin at Life Extension ... because it has one more 'phosphatide' than most other brands I've bought.  They also sell PS(phosphatidylserine) yet another (expensive) phosphatide that really helps brain processes especially memory. ... http://www.lef.org .  PS is sold separately from lecithin ........

John

Quoted from Tina

Well, guys, I thought that the eczema and itchy rash I was experiencing was coming from the lemons I had been putting on my salad, but now I believe that I am having the reaction from the Intrinsa I have been taking for the last week or so.  It is the SAME reaction I get when I have tried to eat ghee or in the past, butter of any kind.  WHAT is going on?  Am I reacting to the butyric acid?  My hands are very rashy, my legs are itchy, my lips are peeling and cracked, and a certain other area (private) is becoming a bit itchy too now, JUST like when I have tried ghee.  

Oh my goodness, what is going on with me?  I don't understand!  Is this butyric acid derived from butter or am I just reacting to the acid itself?  I don't get it!  Help!  

AND, I just took another couple of them earlier tonight.  Ugh!  I knew something was wrong, but anyway, it has gotten WAY worse...exactly like when I've had butter or ghee.  I can't believe this...

Hi Tina,

One of my patients, also an O nonnie had terrible bowelreactions to Intrinsa... Weeks of heavy painful diarrea... Exhausted.. Ordered her right away to stop Intrinsa.. She recovered.. I was kinda shocked about this and a bit upset that she waited so long to contact me...
I do not know what ingredient or combi of ingredients made her react like this.. I do not prescribe Intrinsa anymore.. Just the ghee, chlorella and colostrum to improve her overall and bowel health, in combi with her Ononnie diet..

Hope you will experience a speedy recovery  

Take care and always trust the reactions of your body...

I would really appreciate some kind of explanation from NAP or Peter about the possible reactions of Intrinsa in particular in O nonnies..

Cocky  

I took maybe 3 or 4 Intrinsas last year when I was having diarrhea IBS.  It made it a lot worse.  

I can eat ghee and take larch so I'm guessing it might have been the caprylic acid.  I'm not sure what that's made from.

I can take Intrinsia, but only for short duration.  When I feel that I am having intestinal problems, I'll take 1 Intrinsia 2 x day between meals for only 3 or 4 days and then stop.  It's the only way I can do it.

I also didn't do well with the intrinsa, so I'm taking a break from it.  Once I get my digestive system and immune system a bit healthier I'll try it again.  Getting to that point is tough though, with all my digestive intolerances and occasional travel or eating out.  I haven't tried plain butyrate before, though I feel fine with ghee, and I seem to do ok with caprylic acid on its own - though I never take it for more than a couple of days at a time as needed.  

I use Intrinsa in about 65% of the clinic patients and the complaints so far have only been about the price.

I took one capsule of Intrinsa and I stopped after one use.

An aside: another gmo source of lecithin made by Healthforce Nutritionals:
http://www.healthfoodemporium.com/prod_healthforce_nutritionals.php

Alia