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Paula 0+
Thursday, April 27, 2006, 4:09pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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OK, I just read a link to Dr. D's reliable guide to using Intrinsia......I failed 3 fingerprintings because I have so many lines in my fingertips.  I was going to
be a teacher's aide at a local private school.  I decided against the job, partly
because they couldn't get decent fingerprints out of me....
But this idea that the lines are an indication of poor gut integrity seems quite
plausible in my case.  So I have just ordered a couple of bottles of instrinsia.  I will
post in the future about the state of my fingertips.....will be interesting to see if
taking this and polyflora will help them become more readable....
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Be prepared to give it time (a few months) before you see improvement. Also, be sure to follow the diet closely. Avoids are the primary cause of the condition, you won't wat to be eating any! Seek as many beneficial foods as possible. A tier 2 diet would be best........

I'm working on a gut integrity issue myself and have been for a few months. It's hard to be patient in this world of instant gratification!
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I suggest you review the Intestinal Health Protocols.

You might also want to read the Colostrum, etc. thread, which deals with gut integrity issues.


I agree with Lloyd that it will take months to heal the intestines. I believe I can see some improvement in my fingerprint lines after being on the protocols for about 6 weeks.


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I've been meaning to ask a question on Intrinsa myself.  Maybe I haven't been compliant enough or maybe I'm having some candida die-off problems from it, but it gives me really loose stools.  Anybody else notice this?  I've taken a break from it to improve my diet and rebuild my flora, then I'll try it again.  Dr. D's post does say that it takes good compliance at the same time as the intrinsa, so maybe that's the problem.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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Quoted from Melissa_J
I've been meaning to ask a question on Intrinsa myself.  Maybe I haven't been compliant enough or maybe I'm having some candida die-off problems from it, but it gives me really loose stools.  Anybody else notice this?  I've taken a break from it to improve my diet and rebuild my flora, then I'll try it again.  Dr. D's post does say that it takes good compliance at the same time as the intrinsa, so maybe that's the problem.


I'm taking it Melissa, but not at the recommended dosage.  I've started off with just 2 caps in the morning on an empty stomach.  (Along with other things I'm taking on an empty stomach.) At that dosage, I'm not experiencing what you are.  When I kick it up to the recommended dose, maybe that will change.



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I believe I can see some improvement in my fingerprint lines after being on the protocols for about 6 weeks.


I wish I had saved an ink copy of my lines for reference. I think they are not as deep as they were, but that may just be a mental quirk. They are still as numerous. My lines were/are pretty bad, there was no need to 'ink up' to see them.
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I think they are not as deep as they were, but that may just be a mental quirk. They are still as numerous. My lines were/are pretty bad, there was no need to 'ink up' to see them.

I agree. I am not bothering with fingerprinting I can clearly see all the lines.

When I started I picked a line to watch on my RH index finger. That line was very clear and obvious in the beginning. It is very faint and almost gone now. Then I started watching another deep line on the same finger and it has improved substantially and is starting to get faint. I still have lots lines on that finger and all the other fingers.

I also have a lot of vertical lines on the next segment of my fingers and even some in the last finger segment before the palm. I am assuming those are related to gut integrity too. Does anyone else have these lines?



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I also have a lot of vertical lines on the next segment of my fingers and even some in the last finger segment before the palm.


I don't have a lot of broken lines in the prints.  Maybe a total of ten all together, with three or four being really noticable.  I do notice a ton of these vertical lines on both hands with the ones on my right hand (I'm 90% left dominant) being more noticable.


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Yes, I have lines on all my fingers, all the way down to the palms....I feel like they are the hands of a 70 year old
person....I never realized it until this fingerprinting fiasco for the job.  Now maybe it was a blessing in disguise.  
I have been told that I had candida, ibs, thyroid problems over the years.  What if it all was this leaky gut/ gluten
problem.  I have always eaten wheat, drank coffee, etc....I am trying to get serious with the btd.  I have been very
good about avoiding wheat and gluten, but other avoids like coffee, I have continued to drink.  I want to give this
diet the chance to heal things.....I am thankful for this forum and website.....thanks for the about the intestinal protocols and how to take the intrinsia.  Should be interesting to say the least.  
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Quoted from ironwood55



I also have a lot of vertical lines on the next segment of my fingers and even some in the last finger segment before the palm. I am assuming those are related to gut integrity too. Does anyone else have these lines?



Unfortunately. I even have lines on my palms......

I first noticed lines on the segments next to the palms a couple years ago. Since then they moved up the fingers and thumbs, then the other way onto the palms. Some of the lines on my fingerprints seem related to or extensions of the other lines, quite a few are 'random'.

Much of the depth is relative to how much water is in my hands. When active, walking, in the shower or out on a hot day many of the lines are very faint as my skin is 'full'. At some other times they look like grooves. The pinkies seem to be more severe than the first fingers, that is one area of improvement. They used to all be about the same. Where the first and middle fingers have shown some improvement, the ring less and the pinkie none apparant (regarding second and third unit grooves, not the fingertips.)

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Quoted from Alan_Goldenberg
Unfortunately. I even have lines on my palms......

Same here.



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Diet, history of crime, etc.  I wonder how many who've been suspected of trying to alter their fingerprints simply have a dietary/health problem?  The depth of the ridges (not the lines) is a health indicator.  When I do a search on google for lines in fingerprints, it seems to be age related and such.  

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http://www.fprints.nwlean.net/w.htm

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White Lines
Creases which are not formed with other friction ridge detail.   Usually associated with age.  According to David Ashbaugh's book  "Quantitative-Qualitative Friction Ridge Analysis", white lines  disrupts the stratum corneum (horny layer) of the epidermis.   These creases do have ridge detail with-in the crease.  They are  usually permanent but do have the ability to shrink and grow.   Also known as tension creases.

Crease
A line or linear depression; grooves at the joints of the phalanges, at the
junction of the digits and across the palmar and plantar surfaces that accommodate
flexion.
SWGFAST, Glossary - Consolidated 09-09-03 ver. 1.0
http://www.swgfast.org/Glossary_Consolidated_ver_1.pdf

Two types of creases: Flexion creases disrupt the basal layer of the epidermis
and have no ridge detail within the crease.   White lines (or tension creases)
disrupt the stratum corneum or horny layer of the epidermis and do have ridge
detail with in the crease.  

Tension Crease
"Usually in crisscrossing patterns or at right angles to the ridges.   These secondary creases are known as tension creases and are not normally  found on the hands at birth. " Scott's Fingerprint Mechanics.  By Robert Olsen

Flexion Crease
Creases that are formed during friction ridge formation, completely lacking  of any ridge detail.  Flexion creases are unique and permanent.


Palm reading can be quite complex from a scientific view point!
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The lines that have no ridge detail in the groove are permanent.  But, the lines that do have ridge detail in them may "shrink and grow" (change with health/diet).  So, when looking for "white lines" in regards to gut integrity, you must look to see that they are the ones WITH ridge detail in the groove.
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Intrinsia smells like buttered popcorn to me!  Anyone else?  I was wondering if sprinking the powder onto broken rice cakes would fit the popcorn bill?
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Intrinsia smells like buttered popcorn to me!  Anyone else?  I was wondering if sprinking the powder onto broken rice cakes would fit the popcorn bill?


You can always experiment! Ghee smells like that to me.  It also smells a little burnt.


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Some more data/observations to consider.

After taking my morning shower I was careful to observe changes in the various lines. While holding the warm, damp towel in my right hand I closely examined my left hand. (Don't let the right hand know what the left hand is doing-lol). Nearly all the lines were so faint as to be essentially not there, such as you might see on a 'normal person'. Most of the fingertip lines I would associate with gut problems were still there and unchanged. As a watched over a period of several minutes the other lines became deeper and more obvious until after about 5 minutes they were back to what I have been accustomed to seeing. At this point I took the towel out of my right hand and observed it. It looked the same as the left when first out of the shower. I watched the lines grow, then experimented by blowing softly on the hand. The lines reformed even more quickly that way, it was nearly instant.

So, I don't have a problem anywhere with wrinkles or so forth. The issue is unique to the insides of my hands as far as I can tell.

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Lloyd, the lines you were seeing were changing as you watched only because your skin was going back to normal after being engorged with water from the shower. The lines that change due to health/diet reasons will change very slowly (weeks, months, years).

You may want to start to ask people if you can see their fingerpads Look at young ones and old ones and such...to get a feel for what they look like.
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If we eat ghee do we need to take intrinsa as well?



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If we eat ghee do we need to take intrinsa as well?


I remember a post in the archives, about a poster who went to see Dr. D for their leaky gut symptoms/other health issues.  She posted that Dr. D had her do 2 Tablespoons of ghee on an empty stomach. I think it was twice a day, but not positive about that.

So, if you do ghee, then it needs to be on an empty stomach.


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Interesting with no food at all while eating this?  Does anyone know more about this



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Interesting with no food at all while eating this?  Does anyone know more about this


Since the poster said they were a patient of Dr. D, then it appears that Dr. D recommended this in his practice. I think it's one of the reasons he developed the product Intrinsa.

I've seen another post recently on this forum, somewheres, the poster was seeing an Ayruvedic (sp?) doctor, maybe while they were in India, I can't remember.  It's here somewhere.  The poster indicated that before she came to her appointment, or right when she came to the appointment, the doctor had her drink 1/4 cup of ghee.


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Lloyd, the lines you were seeing were changing as you watched only because your skin was going back to normal after being engorged with water from the shower. The lines that change due to health/diet reasons will change very slowly (weeks, months, years)



You may have missed it in my post, I did say:
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Most of the fingertip lines I would associate with gut problems were still there and unchanged.


In addition there are no other obvious skin/age problems. No wrinkles. I don't think it's as simple as an 'age problem'.

If it was engorgement from shower water the effect would not have gone away so quickly. I'm sure there was some swelling -- I'm also sure it was internal and more likely triggered from heat. Possibly breathing the steam, bit of a stretch.

Remember how if you stayed in the tub too long your fingers would turn into 'prunes'? This is the opposite effect.

I will try other experiments.
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Lloyd,

There are two types of creases.  I think it is hard for the untrained eye to figure out the difference.  I'll have to do new scans of my fingerprints to see if I can get the detail from within the line.  Do my lines have ridge detail in them or not?  I never said it was simple!  
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Here is Melissa's blog on fingerprints:  http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/4/archives/00000199.htm
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I've also looked at the soles of my feet and find no trace of lines.

There may well be something to what you say, consider me a skeptic. My eyes are trained for detail, just not this particular detail. I also have jeweler's loops if needed.
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