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It's interesting that you mention Milk Thistle b/c I have been thinking of supplementing with this to help strengthen my liver (in hopes of helping it eliminate excess estrogens).  My only question was whether Milk Thistle had any estrogenic properties?

Julia Chang seems to think so. If you search for millk on the web page you will be taken to the list of all the herbs and foods she thinks have estrogenic activity.



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Julia Chang seems to think so. If you search for millk on the web page you will be taken to the list of all the herbs and foods she thinks have estrogenic activity.



I knew that Julia thought so...but again, there seems to be some conflicting ideas on it.....Isa had recommended it to me, at one point....


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Which of Philip Maffetone's books do you recommend?


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I haven't read any yet.  Laura has.
I just purchased "In Fitness and Health" last night off of Amazon.  I believe that is the one that Laura read, as well.  


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There is soo much info in this thread that i became confused. I am 5'3 and weight 170. I need to loose weight and tone up. I have a pear shaped body. I can not work out in the morning so i work out in the evening after weok. I have a sedetary job where i sit at my desk all day. Any sugguestions to get this weight OFF. This was what i started doing

Mon,Wed 45min cardio on treadmill or eliptical
T and T 45min cardio and weights(arms, back,legs)


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Will i become constipated in these two weeks?
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Based on reading throught this thread this is what I think.

First of all, I know you used to be a 'starch-a tarian" turned 'vegetarian' and now among the 'fish-atarians' I think your major problem is that you have not dropped your carbs low enough ever to train your body to burn fat for fuel. Your body is still trying to burn carbs for fuel because that is all it knows how to do and you continue to feed it more carbs to fuel it- this is probably why you crave nuts so much, your body is trying to get even more carbs from them, I wouldn't worry about the fat in nuts right now, I would worry about the carbs. You arn't eating many starches but you are eating alot of carbs. When you feel weak it is because you run out of carbs to burn so your body (still not knowing to burn fat) will start chewing on muscle. This is probably why you have not seen results besides working out harder and harder.

A side note to this is also to think about everything said before about anaerobic exercise and fat vs. carb burning. Aerobic exercise is going to further help train your body to burn fat.

another ps is most 'trainers' are full of c**p!! don't listen to them they are fed lines, they will almost always say "Oh you are tired- more carbs" would you listen to a 'nutritionist'? trainers are even worse

This is what I would do, and don't everyone yell because it is only temporary to help connects body learn what it is supposed to do to run most effeciently.

For two weeks (this is the min. amount of time needed to switch) a carb tolerance check

No Fruit
No starch
no honey
no yogurt/keifer
no nuts


You can eat
Meat
veggies
fats
cheese
eggs

as much or as little as you want. Do aerobic exercise, careful to not go out of heartrate zone.

You will be tired at first but soon your body will adjust

After this time, add one carb in a day or so. For example, day 1 a little fruit, day 2 a second serving of fruit. Go slow and listen to your body, it should tell you when to stop. I would also suggest you read Philp Maffeatone's book this will help you in this process




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There is soo much info in this thread that i became confused. I am 5'3 and weight 170. I need to loose weight and tone up. I have a pear shaped body. I can not work out in the morning so i work out in the evening after weok. I have a sedetary job where i sit at my desk all day. Any sugguestions to get this weight OFF. This was what i started doing

Mon,Wed 45min cardio on treadmill or eliptical
T and T 45min cardio and weights(arms, back,legs)


Does your schedule prohibit you from working out in the morning?  

- Make sure you are doing your cardio in your heart rate zone.  I'd cut out the weights for now.  

- Cut out grains and the sweeter fruits for a bit.  Concentrate on lean meats, cheeses, fats, nuts....

-  You can become constipated if your body is reliant on grains for its fiber source.  make sure to eat plenty of veggies, drink a ton of water and exercise.


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Yes my schedule doesn't allow it. I have to be to work really early and also my gym don't open until 9am. oki am trying to cut the grains but then i can't find much for breakfast but eggs and fruit??? I don't eat dinner cause when i come from the gym it is 800pm. so i try and eat more during the day.


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It is better to eat more during the day.  Your largest meal should be breakfast then lunch.  Dinner shouldn't really be a huge meal.  Maybe just a snack or a small salad.  Breakfast is tough without grains and yogurt...I know.  You don't have to eat typical breakfast foods. You can have dinner foods for breakfast:  fish, etc...



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I haven't read any yet. Laura has.
I just purchased "In Fitness and Health" last night off of Amazon. I believe that is the one that Laura read, as well.


I got the one "The Maffetone method" is that ok or does it matter which of his books i buy.


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Thank you. I can not workout in the mornings I am sad for what everyone says that is beat. Do I workout in the range of 70%-80% of my max heart rate..that is such a wide range of numbers. Should i aim at 75%??

How long should i work out in my heart rate zone. I usually get on the treadmill for 45 min.

How do i know when to incorporate weights. I have lost some weight and i don't want to get really jiggly but i have more fat to loose.


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It is better to eat more during the day. Your largest meal should be breakfast then lunch. Dinner shouldn't really be a huge meal. Maybe just a snack or a small salad. Breakfast is tough without grains and yogurt...I know. You don't have to eat typical breakfast foods. You can have dinner foods for breakfast: fish, etc...





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Should I take CLA, Flax,Fish and Evening primosa oils?


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Should I take CLA, Flax,Fish and Evening primosa oils?


Do you follow the BTD or the GTD?  Check the recommended oils for the particular diet
you're following.

Evening Primrose oil is listed as a diamond food for Warriors.  It's a source of GLA which
provides a source of omega 6.  It balances omega 3s but I see you've written about Phil
Maffetone's book (a great guy BTW...I used to see him MANY years ago as a chiropractor way before he started training professional athletes for competition).  He always told me I was a "Northern type" as far as the oils went and always had me taking flax oil, NOT GLA...which is why I too was confused when I began the Warrior diet and tried taking Evening Primrose oil daily.  I barely tolerate GLA in general. Maybe one or two pills every few days but not daily, and when it gives me massive headaches, I know to take a break.  It's supposed to be great for
PMS...but I'm too old for that...so for me, it's a supplement that isn't particularly useful.

I am somewhat pear shaped but not extremely so and don't have a very large waist or
a lot of noticeable fat in my middle section.  If you do, I would think the CLA (not GLA)
would be helpful.  It's a medium chain triglyceride and helps to burn fat in that area.

So, if you're not a Warrior and not following the GTD as I am...you might actually do best
on flax oil...I take flax oil and eat flax seeds daily, but I remember Phil telling me the
conversion process of omega 3 from flax isn't always great for some people and so even with a high fish diet, I take fish oil twice a day along with the flax oil.

I'm just someone who needs a lot of omega 3s. I know it because more than one alternative
practioner has told me this.

If I had to give you a suggestion, follow what is recommended for type A...which would be
flax oil.  CLA will help you get rid of belly fat if you have it...(I take that a few times a week
but not every day). If you have PMS or acne, you might want to try Evening Primrose oil.
If it gives you a headache, you know you don't need it.  Other forms of GLA are
borage oil and black currant seed oil.  Both give me headaches.  But I think I remember
black currant seed oil recommended for type A on the BTD.

Sometimes you just need to start out with the simplest of choices...flax oil is probably just fine for a type A as a basic supplemental oil.

GLA information

http://www.mothernature.com/Library/bookshelf/Books/23/35.cfm

CLA information

http://www.eatwild.com/cla.html



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I've read CLA has some potentially negative side effects.     Somehow it burns fat in the belly area while putting fat in the liver.  I read it also destabilizes insulin.  Just bought over the holidays and now not so sure I really want to use.
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When I took some, I popped them in my mouth. The NAP ones have titanium dioxide in them. (Why I don't know)
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No one takes CLA?
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The NAP ones have titanium dioxide in them. (Why I don't know)


It would just be in the capsule.

It makes the capsules white.

This means that many white frequencies are reflected instead of being absorbed.

This helps prevent photoxidation reactions that would degrade the contents of the capsules.



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It would just be in the capsule.

It makes the capsules white.

This means that many white frequencies are reflected instead of being absorbed.

This helps prevent photoxidation reactions that would degrade the contents of the capsules.



It's closer to dark purple, or shiny brown.
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It's closer to dark purple, or shiny brown.


It must have other things in it to give it that color.

Titanium dioxide is added to make things opaque so they do not not transmit light.  It is a white pigment, but other colors can overwhelm white.


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I've read CLA has some potentially negative side effects.     Somehow it burns fat in the belly area while putting fat in the liver.  I read it also destabilizes insulin.  Just bought over the holidays and now not so sure I really want to use.
I'm interested in this thought too...

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I'm interested in this thought too...



Early impression is that it does seem to have a metabolic effect.
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I've read CLA has some potentially negative side effects.     Somehow it burns fat in the belly area while putting fat in the liver.  I read it also destabilizes insulin.  Just bought over the holidays and now not so sure I really want to use.
Just read something similar on wikipedia...Be interested what others think?  "There are concerns that the use of CLA supplements by extremely overweight people may tend to cause or to aggravate insulin resistance, which may increase their risk of developing diabetes.[8]"

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Just read something similar on wikipedia...Be interested what others think?  "There are concerns that the use of CLA supplements by extremely overweight people may tend to cause or to aggravate insulin resistance, which may increase their risk of developing diabetes.[8]"


Seems to have soemthing to do with one of the isomers.  Also, that the body doesn't really need 3 grams of CLA to keep the metabolism chugging along.  Though it does seem to do *something*     I listen to Barry Sears about these kinds of biochemical processes; he has written a lot about fish oil, arachidonic acid, chronic inflammation etc.  He seems to think people should pass on CLA.  Udo Erasmus and Mark Sisson think so also.
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