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janet_graham
Tuesday, September 20, 2005, 12:33am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Are these good for type O? Glucosamine, chondroitin, an/or msm? I have stiff joints at certain times of day and arthritis in my fingers on my left hand.....so? JayneO
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Glucosamine, is ok for Os.
chondroitin, is fine for As.
msm,
here s some great info from stephen:
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and now  *Celadrin* a new thing for joint health from N.F    but I don't know if
it is BTD friendly or compatibel....... so I take it until having tested it as a neutral huuuh
just got it yesterday from Canada....... I am sooo excited to get some results with my tester......all the bloody types please give me a fav. for free testings

who wants to be first.......................
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Do not take chondroitin if you are an O it is very bad for us. Ask Dr D. He says it is like a bad blood transfusion and I can testify to that. If you want a real bad break out of thrush throughout take some chondroitin. I cant remember being so crook, just a few tablets set me back months of BTD good works. Cheers John.


 
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Quoted from lola
Glucosamine, is ok for Os.
chondroitin, is fine for As.
msm,
here s some great info from stephen:
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NAG works even better than glucosamine
take bromelien for the inflammation
eat ginger
stay away from nightshade vegetables like tomotoes and peppers
eat foods high in Omga 3's like  beneficial fish and nuts like walnuts and flax seeds
stay away from grains even more than usual


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I tell type O friends that haven't had any benefit from glucosamine/chondroitin mixed supplements (and I don't know anyone that it has helped) to give glucosamine alone a try.  The chondroitin would negate any benefit of the glucosamine.


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Thanks to all. JayneO
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you can use chondroitin topically without worry


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yyrx results of the tests
O + celadrin not that bad because its a fatty acid yup
B + celadrin   havent had one to test it right now.....
AB and celadrin + - = not that good, but I tested it on myselve and I know that as being a royal one won't come out that positive....domage = the royalty stand for the nonnie-status
A + celadrine =  

I'll give a try in the next few days... and let you know with several different bloodtypes and secretor stati-iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii  

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I have a question:

At the pharmacy where I work we were asked a lot about MSM and glucosamine at one time. According to our customers, they've heard you should take the two supplements together to ensure maximum absorbtion of the glucosamine.

MSM wasn't available (don't think it's approved by the Danish FDA - not sure) so we asked around what to do, and were told, that you only need to take MSM and glucosamine together, if the glucosamine isn't a sulphate. All our glucosamine-products at the pharmacy turned out to be glucosamine-sulphates of some sort, so the MSM wasn't necesary.

Is that true? You don't need MSM, when the glucosamine you take is some sort of sulphuric compound?


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yup Poly if its' named Glucosamine sulphate... so it  is... but you may take MSM for
some pains or itchy things and I think it is also for pulmonal support and it's ok for some
skin problems,too- if I remember well

and dear pipnjohn.... you're a real sweety.... but please do let the chondroitin for us,the AB's... not all is a goody-goody for you as being an O
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Mikeo, what do you mean? John.


you can get chondroitin in a topical cream you rub into the area that is sore....it works and does not harm


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would topical arnica be as effective?


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you can get chondroitin in a topical cream you rub into the area that is sore....it works and does not harm

Thank you mikeo, I thought that must be what you meant. How come it doesn't do any harm? Is it because it's not digested? I was so sick from digesting chondroitin I never want to try it again. Cheers John.

Awaiting your reply to lola's question too, thanks to you both on that one.

Hey, I just noticed, Isa called me a sweety! Thank you Isa I will print that out and place it under my pillow.  


 
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p-john gäärrrnääää aus der Fääärrrrnääää = yup ok     back  
but I must tell you all something a little strange.......
I took also the chondroitin in larger amounts and for long time.... without any reaction on
frozy's or aching muscles......and now since yesterday a little devil whispered:try MSM

and NOTHING any more= but really all aching things gone... no stiffness in the morning... feel super great yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa
yippers....yappers...yuppers who want to be firschddd to be hogtied? huuuhh??
didladadlududledödledeidlidüdlidoooooooooo    

and must be honest...without testing it
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Some Arnica ssp. are more effective than others.

MSM is found in rainwater....


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[b][/b]First of all, what in the world is MSN?? I want some!!!  I play tennis every day and I'm a distance runner.  I used to be a vegetarian till I  got on the BTD, so  now I'm following not only the BTD , but the arthritis BTD, taking all the supplements and cutting out all the coffee, sugar.. etc.  that upsets arthritis.  I'm doing ok, but it's only been a  couple of weeks.
I'd sure like to know about the MSN stuff though.. is it a pill? where do you get it?  Anyone out there who has tips for knee arthritis.. please let me know!!  I NEED it... thanks..
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ooops... MSM....
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Hello fellow BTDr's.

Today I bought a bottle of Kordel's (OptiMSM) USA. GLUCOSIMINE-MSM 1000 JOINT HEALTH FORMULA.

INGREDIENTS:Glucosamine Sulphate.500mg
MSM (MethylSulphonylMethane)        500mg
Formulated without avoids. Take 1-4 capsules daily with meals. I will start with one.

Everything else had Chondroitin in it.

Is this what I should take for my joints and aches and pains? (60 capsules for $21:30)   Cheers John.




 
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ooo  jesses why didn't you looked into Natural Factors in Canadian line or US file......
they have all the best BTD compatible products...just great and not expensive at all!!!
I'll take the sweety back...... and get ya on your ears.... hi-hi-hiiiiiii  chuckle  
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Sorry ISA, you can not have the sweety back. I printed it out it's mine now.
Are they Webb sites that I should look at for BTD products?
I would be happy buying at NAP but it is the exchange and freight costs that put me off.
There are lots of products available out here but they are nearly all contaminated with some other unsuitable items or are inferior. Thank you for your help. John.


 
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no p-john.... Natural Factors' products are indeed mostly BTD compatible and not that
expensive at all ..have a look for them at the american or canadian sites, even the canadians are less expensive   and for the Canadian citizens........
if you purchase them at canadian vitamin...bla..bla bla.... its mostly less expensive...
oooo mann they are much better then all swiss products... nothing in what is against
BTD-rules !!!!
sorry I didn't wanted to do any publicities for anything or anybody... buth true still is truth...and ok for that I just let gooooo your left ear...did ya feel it


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Found it thank you ISA. Have not looked over the site yet but have set it so that I can go back later. Cheers John.


 
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I am currently waiting for my bottle of Lorna Vanderhaeghe Celadrin to arrive.  I have used another brand and didn't notice a whole lot of difference, however, I've just started BTD as well.  I work at WFs in Canada and just took Lorna's training on Celadrin.  She's working on a cream that doesn't have the menthol in it as she gave some to a little girl and it cleared up her eczema.  I've used topical Celadrin (sold by AVON, can you believe it!! kewl) and it helped alleviate my arthritis in my hands a little.  I enjoyed reading her book on inflammation...found it very eye opening.
As I'm new here, I hope posting brand names etc. isn't against the rules.
I'm currently vacationing in FL and I've really upped my exercise ... thanks for the reminder about Arnica and the info on MSM ... boy do I need it  


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best ant-inflammatory there is is BTD!!!!

so my suggestion to you is,stay away from 'avoids'........that also helps! )
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I keep telling myself that, Lola... I've mastered all the food avoids.. my  only downfall is coffee with real sugar... a LOT!!  but I've been off of it for about 3 weeks now , so I know I can do it.  Today was especially hard because I had to get up at 5am to take my daughter to an out of town event... I would have LOVED some coffee for the road.. she's an A, so   she got to have some.  I stuck to my green tea.. plain... and I know I am better off in the long run.  I am still hoping  the arthritis in my knees will improve over time.... I'm doing physical therapy, too, and my physical  therepist is a die hard believer in the BTD.. he loves that I'm all into it, as well.  As always, I look forward to any tips anyone has on  O's and arthritis..

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I look forward to any tips anyone has on  O's and arthritis..


Have you read Dr. D's Arthritis book?

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yes, sam... bought it and I'm following it .. every part of it....but it's only been about two and a half weeks since I gave up the coffee and sugar for good.  I'm hoping a bit more time will show more results... thanks


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Give it some time. I think you will see some improvement. Your body may take months or even years to totally adjust to the benefits of the BTD.

Good for you that you are giving up the coffee.  I have heard many people say they had significant improvement of various health problems after finally giving up coffee on the type O BTD.


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well, but what about the sugar?? I like green tea ok, but I like it MUCH BETTER with real sugar and soy milk... but I am  not doing that because I feel the sugar will aggrivate the arthritis.... what do you think about that???

wait wait wait.. lol.. I  already know the answer.. sugar is bad bad bad.. oh well.. it was worth a try!
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to mikey-o, isa-m, and others for your advice on this thread.

I just had arthroscopic cartilage repair in left hip last week, and doc says there's a "little softening" in posterior area..."expect arthritis in 10-15 years"....doesn't that mean I have it now?  He recommended glucosamine/chondroitin.  Now I will look for the supp that mikeo recommends...

I'm mid-40's now...and am wondering if I can reverse this news by LR4YT?
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yes, glucosamine alone is better suited for you.....


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lola, glucosamine-sulphate ?? yup
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Thanks, guys.....

Just returned from my Super Orthopod...told him about this way of life, website...and the advice from this thread. Wanted to make sure that he knew there was a concern with Chondriotin for his Type O patients (except in topical per mikeo)...said he didn't know of this, but heard of ER4YT.
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Rosie,

My husband is an orthopod.. I'm educating him all the time about the BTD and all the things that work and don't work for different blood types

I think he was skeptical for awhile, but he's seen so many positive changes  in me that I really think I might eventually win him over.  I am seeing a physical therapist for a knee injury.  This therapist believes in the BTD %100, and says with the right therapy and following the diet, I may be up and running again.  I am currently following the  BTD for arthritis in D.  D's special book on arthritis.
My goad is to prove to my husband that with the right diet, patients go a long way towards healing themselves!
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Rosie,

My husband is an orthopod.. I'm educating him all the time about the BTD and all the things that work and don't work for different blood types

I think he was skeptical for awhile, but he's seen so many positive changes  in me that I really think I might eventually win him over.  I am seeing a physical therapist for a knee injury.  This therapist believes in the BTD %100, and says with the right therapy and following the diet, I may be up and running again.  I am currently following the  BTD for arthritis in D.  D's special book on arthritis.
My goad is to prove to my husband that with the right diet, patients go a long way towards healing themselves!


Hey Sheri!

Awesome!! That is the way to convince people, by letting them experience the positive changes in their own body by adhering to the BTD.
Sheri, I am impressed, keep up the good work! Like a (olive)stain we are spreading the good news!!!

Take care and stay well!
Cocky

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My goad is to prove to my husband that with the right diet, patients go a long way towards healing themselves!


Sher-iiii!
Thank you for this and for what you are doing...so much appreciated by all of us. I pray that people will know/learn that diet is not a choice, like Dr. D said. God gave a little map to each of us...for our best health on earth.

I'll keep you posted on my hip recovery (victory!) as the months pass along...

Many thanks,
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ha! ha!  I meant goal... instead of "goad".... how do you amend things, anyway?

Rosie:.. best of luck to you...!!!!!


Think how much healthier people would be if  physicians followed diet prescriptions ALONG with their traditional medical prescriptions  ( if needed)..

unfortunately, everyone wants a quick fix.. a pill.... to get better....and so many people don't have the will power to improve their diets...so sad...
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I have a little difficulty in deciphering the difference between the Glucosamines.

NAG  N-acetyl glucosamine.

Glucosamine sulfate.

The encyclopedia seems to get these two mixed up and confuses the issue on which is best for O's and A's.

Can somebody help clear this up for us. Cheers John.


 
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I believe both forms are ok, john.)


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here s a quote by DR D:
''chondroitin that is the problem in Os

The reason?

If we were to analyze the structure of chondroitin we would see that it is actually long polymers (chains) of a repeating sugar, n-acetyl galactosamine.

N-acetyl galactosamine is the blood group A antigen.

Thus by consuming large amounts of chondroitin, type O's are inadvertently provoking their immune system with constant doses of what amounts to an incorrect blood transfusion!

Glucosamine doesn't do this, in fact glucosamine helps block many lectins, including wheat germ lectin. This may be more important to the healing of the arthritis found in many type O's than what the conventional thinking tells us about how glucosamine works.''


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Does anybody know if a combo of MSM, glucosamine sulfate and chondroitin sulfate is beneficial for AB's?
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Hey Gandalf!

I do not think this combo you mention would cause any problems for an AB.
You had better check your Bloodtype sis Isa for exact advice!!

How tall are you Gandalf??? As tall as Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings

Nice name!

Did you receive my mail today?

Take care

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Hi Cocky,

you're probably right....I should ask Isa! Don't know exactly how tall I am but I guess more less 182-183cm.
Yes, I received your email and I am about to answer it. I still have a few questions concerning shipping etc, but I'll write you an email for more details...

Cheers
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N acetyl glucosamine is what is in Deflect and is what you take to fend off some of the bad effects of avoids on your system.  It's a sacrificial molecule sort of.
Glucosamine Sulfate is for joint health.  They really are two different things.
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but only in the O's package...
in ours it was mentioned about some lecker-lecker chondroitin
I've several products for testings....but sorry didn't pay that of attention, did allways what massr Peter told in his books  sauf with MSM...this fits to everybody
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and Gandalf.. i am soooooooooooo sorry I just rechecked the deflects of all blood types and I saw the... A and B have different thing in it... so far .............. for US both of those products are ok.... chondroitin and glucosamine sulphates

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>>>N acetyl glucosamine is what is in Deflect and is what you take to fend off some of the bad effects of avoids on your system.  It's a sacrificial molecule sort of.
Glucosamine Sulfate is for joint health.  They really are two different things.
Jane>>>

I want to address Jane's comment about N acetyl glucosamine only being used in Deflect.  In Dr. Dadamo's Complete Blood type Encyclopedia, he lists N acetyel glucosamine for Type O to be used in the Arthritis Protocol.  

And after reading this thread is:  Is NAG better for us O+Secretors than the MSM Glucosamine combo?

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I have a question...

I'm allergic to shellfish and my understanding is that chondroitin is a shellfish derivative.

What's an A to do???  
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how about some bone soup or broth from compliant sources instead?


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Thank you, Lola. I know so little about chondroitin (except that it makes me itch and my joints swell and stiffen if I use the shellfish derivative).

I did not know about "bone soup," but I imagine it would help. I'll give that a try.

Cheers!

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I tell type O friends that haven't had any benefit from glucosamine/chondroitin mixed supplements (and I don't know anyone that it has helped) to give glucosamine alone a try.  The chondroitin would negate any benefit of the glucosamine.


My physical rehab doctor said the same thing. It is only the glucosamine that your body utilizes. Condroitin is merely voided in urine.
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Hi janet!
I have arthritis in my fingers, too.
I took  glucosamine three month ago - it was wonderful. Hands don`t ache already.
I advice it.

good luck


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Hello,  i 'm sad because there is no French translation of the book "Arthritis, fight it with the Blood Type Diet"

I have a rare disease which started at 20 years: the chondromalacie;
it is a softening of all the cartilages of my body, in more i don't have the right to take more than 5 kilos so not my knees and ankles make me very badly!

The doctors discovered my disease at 30 years, I have 31 of them!

Since I began BDT, I stopped the drug of my rumatologist because there was chondroitine!

Since I do not have more pains as before (some of my articulations were blocked) but I have still badly sometimes!

has somebody  positive effects of the drugs for arthritis on the site abovie?

thank you in advance
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Bonjour, Chaton94, don't be too sad, soon Tomatilla Isa will see your note here, she knows French and can talk to you tres bien. Lola is tres bien at finding answers for our questions. When she sees this, she will help. More helpful people, too, so smile a little....
My guess for you is no wheat, rye, oats, corn/maize, tomatoes, pommes des terres,...maybe no milk or cheese, either.
Sorry I'm not knowledgable about your rare disease...
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halloo....à l'huile je suis là....
chaton avez vous essailler avec glucosamine sulphate? Chondroitin is an absolut no-no for you, the O's!
et meme le MSM n'est pas mal du tout  mais je crois que Peter mentioned  que le meilleur doit-etre
Glucosamine sulfate, moi j'aime bien travailler aussi avec Celadrine, de Natural Factors, marche bien
surtout avec les nonnies ......

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Hello or good evening (I do not know with the shift horaire!)Tomatilla, I note "Celadrine", I saw it on Internet;
I didn't  try glucosamine sulphate

I will ask before my doctor if there is not another drug without chondroitine refunded by the French social security, that will make me economies!

Thank 's a lot!

Es tu inscrites sur le forum français?; tu peux t'insrire, c'est plus facile pour moi d'écrire
là bas pour moi?

Bisous et joyeux Noel!
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Je l'ai essayer une fois, cela n'a guere macher pour moi, je ne sais pas pourqupoi exactement, mais je ne l'avais pas acces pour le forum francais

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http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/7.html
voila le protocole qui pourrait t' en servir.


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Oh dear, I've been taking Glucosamine Chondritin M.S.M for a while now. It's a Bioscience product. In the recommended daily dosage of 2 tablets there is 1000mg glucosamine sulphate, 800mg chondritin and 750mg M.S.M. It has actually helped my knee joints. Ever since reading this thread I've stopped taking the tablets. The popping is back and so's the stiffness after resting my legs.

Any O non secretors exhibiting problems?

Dont know what to do really. I take Bromelain & Deflect regularly...but it was G-C-MSM which really gave me relief for the knees.

What shall I do ?
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find glucosamine alone.


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whats NAG


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N-Acetylglucosamine


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Lola...bone or broth soup from compliant sources...Would turkey bone soup/broth have chondroitin sulfate and glucosamine sulfate in it? Turkey is a neutral source for all blood types (Beneficial for A non-secretors)

I got a bunch of turkey legs at the store after Christmas & have a big pot of stock going. Wish it were organic turkey (or wild caught - someday soon!) then there would be less question of their hormone/antibiotic treatment.

All I know is turkey soup makes me feel good.


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and also lots of tryptophan!


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try boswellic acid!!!
but as always be sure to get good quality
i have spoken to people who had very serious problems and said its a mirracle to have found it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boswellia_thurifera

http://www.nutrimart.com/Bulk/Description/boswellia_page.htm


its from a tree... smells good... and i have seen it work!!!
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Do not take chondroitin if you are an O it is very bad for us. Ask Dr D. He says it is like a bad blood transfusion and I can testify to that. If you want a real bad break out of thrush throughout take some chondroitin. I cant remember being so crook, just a few tablets set me back months of BTD good works. Cheers John.


wow that explains so much
when my new supplements arrived I started taking them all dutifully every day.  And at the same time added in the glucosamine/chondroitin and MSM pills that I'd bought but never taken religiously

after just a few days I've gained 4 pounds (realy thought I'd have lost witht eh deflect and the fucus!)
and the candida is BAD but i had just been attributing that to the gluten free, o compliant, but still full of sugar christmas baking I did...

duh

well away with those giant size bottles of ineffective joint remedies for me!
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Sounds like MSM is geat for o's. How much do we take on a daily basis? Also I am allergic to sulfa (Pharmaceutical) would MSM effect me the same way? I have taken joint compounds before..Osteo bi or tri flex brand(?)without any visible reactions.
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I take 500mg of MSM 2x per day.  It's part of the allergy protocol.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Frankincense is recommended to manage inflammation, and appears in quite a few protocols.....


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MSM does not fall in that category. It is a highly purified form of sulfur, and sulfur is a constituent of all life. With MSM my concerns have always been that supplementing with high amounts, in addition to a high protein diet, could put a a strain on the kidneys. I've no proof that this is true, it is just an opinion. for things like chromium, MSM or algae, perhaps my position is more accurately that "they can have benefit in some people of a certain type, though they don't possess any specific attributes which will enhance the effect of the diets, and are perhaps redundant with it."

SquarePeg,
MSM (methylsulfonylmethane)is part of the B allergy protocol
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1000daily of msm? can it be taken at once? I found a 1000mg supplement so 1 pill. Also how much Glucosamine/day? My knee is really out of wack lately...old ligament tears and general wear, so id like to do what is the best thing. Ive been using Arnica and reiki and ice and heat (in am for stiffness) seems to be helping.
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N-acetyl glucosamine, 250-500 mg: 3-4 capsules, daily, away from food
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MSM is more targeted for Bs


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The supplement I have is glucosamine hydrochloride ...what is that?
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N-acetyl D-glucosamine is the form you need...hope you can change the GH.


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Ill give it a try!! I will have to look in a real pharmacy not the grocery store I guess. Thanks
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I have taken glucsoamine/chronditon for awhile and havent seen any real improvement. I am BT A. Should I be only taking the MSM?  
I find all this interesting as my hips have improved so much in last while, with this and the nanogreens.
thanks for the info.
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N-acetyl D-glucosamine is the form you need...hope you can change the GH.


I can only take vegetarian glucosamine because of my seafood allergy.

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Hi everybody,
I had some arthritis pains in my shoulders and after taking 3 times a day a pill with glucosamine, chondroitine and MSM the pain is gone for 95 %. I am very happy of course!
But what I was wondering is, can you take this kind of siupplement your whole life or is it better to take it for some time and then stop with it and see what happens?

Johanna


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it is safe.....
try and get your secretor status tested and follow the advice given in the arthritis book


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it is safe.....
try and get your secretor status tested and follow the advice given in the arthritis book


Yes I do follow the advice in the book. About the secretor status that has to wait. No money for that now.
I probably will go and visit my doctor to ask what he thinks about this supplement. Although it is an allopatic doctor, maybe he has some advice too.

Johanna



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I have taken glucsoamine/chronditon for awhile and havent seen any real improvement. I am BT A. Should I be only taking the MSM?  
I find all this interesting as my hips have improved so much in last while, with this and the nanogreens.
thanks for the info.
Cindy


Hi Cindy,

According to Dr. Adamo's Arthritis book A's only have to take a supplement with Glucosamine(1500 mg per day- Chondroitine 1200 mg per day). I have a supplement now that also has MSM in it, but after this bottle is empty I am planning on taking only Glucisamine and Chondroitine.
In Dr. Adamo's Arthritis book there are a lot of other supplements you can take. I didnot do that until now, because I think I don't need it right now, but if you have severe pains I think it is a good thing to follow the 12 weeks protocol that he recommends.

Johanna



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Dr D on MSM

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MSM does not fall in that category. It is a highly purified form of sulfur, and sulfur is a constituent of all life. With MSM my concerns have always been that supplementing with high amounts, in addition to a high protein diet, could put a a strain on the kidneys. I've no proof that this is true, it is just an opinion. for things like chromium, MSM or algae, perhaps my position is more accurately that "they can have benefit in some people of a certain type, though they don't possess any specific attributes which will enhance the effect of the diets, and are perhaps redundant with it."


SquarePeg,
MSM (methylsulfonylmethane)is part of the B allergy protocol
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/1.html


Is there anything new from Dr D about MSM for Os, that he's said or typed since  this was quoted?


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Glucosamine, is ok for Os.
chondroitin, is fine for As.


How about AB's?
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I haven't read the whole thread...
So is Glucosamine, not for A's at all?

Thanks.


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