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JK
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I am not in great shape at the moment, and yes, that's an understatement. Some of you have been helping me through your comments to other threads I started, thanks very much. I am a celiac with a leaky gut and developing allergies and intolerances to foods at an alarming rate. I assume I have an intestinal dysbiosis with an overgrowth of harmful bacteria and candida. These are not my only health problems and symptoms but everything results from this problem with my gut (which as I look back, must have been detrimental all of my life thus far).

I need to follow the BTD to the letter and investigate everything I ingest. I recently noticed that PolyFloraO contains brewer's yeast. I stopped using it last week since the brewer's yeast was no doubt grown on grains. I spoke to a representative at NAP today to get an answer to my question, "What is the source of the brewer's yeast in polyfloraO? Was is grown in a lab on artificial medium or on grain? If on grain, how was it separated from the grain?" There was a lot of back and forth while he put me on hold to go ask others my various questions and concerns. At the end, after about ten minutes, the rep could only say that they get the yeast from an outside source and don't know how it is grown or processed. He then went on to assure me it was safe for me because it is not a live culture... completely missing the point. I explained again and then asked specifically, "Is it known to be safe for celiacs?" He assured me it was safe for everyone since wasn't a live culture. I didn't bother asking any of the other questions, like "what's the veggie cap made of?" Anyone know?

Since I need to keep my stress levels down, I thanked him for his efforts and hung up. I will not be taking anymore polyfloraO and now I am unsure about the remaining type O products I use. As I said, I have lots of food intolerances now and supplements have always caused nausea regardless of taking then on a full stomach.

Anyone know where I can get technical, scientific answers about these products? I did submit questions through a link on the home page (don't recall where though -- have to go hunting for it again) but got no response.

I don't know what to do. I no doubt have malabsorption and could benefit from supplementation but not if the supplements have ingredients I am now intolerant to. I am eating really good whole foods right now but will it be enough? Obviously, I want and need as speedy a recovery as possible.

Now to switch gears. Anyone out there incorporate the principles of the specific carbohydrate diet into the BTD to control candida?

Thanks

Judi

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I am a celiac...I recently noticed that PolyFloraO contains brewer's yeast. I stopped using it last week since the brewer's yeast was no doubt grown on grains.

Nutritional and Brewer's yeast are very similar animals. Nutritional yeast is not grown on grains whatsoever but on beets (usually, sometimes on other media but not grains). Brewer's yeast is grown on hops. I was not sure whether hops is considered a grain, but I just looked it up and, apparently it is not, it is rather a flower, coming from "...a vine related to the nettle plant".* However, even IF hops is a grain (and I don't think it is, but just say it is because with celiac we have to err on the side of caution), just like if you bought beef which had been raised on grain, the beef itself is not going to hurt you as a celiac. Neither Nutritional yeast or brewer's yeast are grains themselves. They are a fantastic food for O's, very high in the full spectrum of B vitamins, living nutrients, proteins, etc. (As far as candida, btw, they are a totally different type of yeast and might even serve to fight the candida.) There is a recent ("sticky") thread on nutritional yeast which I believe is in the "Eat Right for Your Type" section/forum, if you want more info. on nutritional and brewer's yeast. However, to answer your specific concern regarding if it is grown on grains or not and how that would affect you as a celiac: brewer's yeast is grown on hops, which is a flower. Even if that flower is part of a plant in the grain family (and apparently it is NOT), the brewer's yeast itself is NOT a grain.

*http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761572429/Beer.html


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I assume I have an intestinal dysbiosis with an overgrowth of harmful bacteria and candida.

By the way, eating nutritional yeast (or brewer's yeast, but nutritional tastes better..although I like the taste of both) would be excellent for you!!!  It is a probiotic and will put beneficial flora into you and fight the harmful stuff like candida.

Also, I forgot to say WELCOME and I am excited for you, as I can tell from your post that the BTD is really going to help you!  Please stick around the board, ask questions, share your progress and pitfalls, and benefit from all the support, info. and caring that is here!  Welcome again!



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Yes, if it's grown on hops, it would be fine.  I'll see what I can find out as this concerns me as well.

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Melissa, I just edited my post, check it out. Apparently, hops is definitely NOT a grain at all. It is a flower from a vine related to the nettle plant. Again, though, even if it were a grain, the yeast that grows on the hops is NOT a grain and probably contains no gluten.


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JK, Edna, and Melissa,

My mother has a list of forbidden foods via a database that celiac.com hosts. I will check this out to see if brewer's yeast is on it. I got thinking when reading this that we celiacs are not allowed beer and hops is one of the main ingredients, is it not?

Hold up on the Polyflora until I can get more information. I'm concerned myself now.

JK - thanks for bringing this up.


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jk dont forget to do the candida spit test which could explain your allergies & leaky gut etc


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Yes, I agree about holding off on the polyflora until we know.  Hops are ok, but barley isn't...so the question is where did the brewers yeast in question come from...


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http://www.lewis-labs.com/Shop.htm

Here's an example of a GF brewer's yeast.  I'm optimistic that the stuff in polyflora is also, but I'm not popping any in my mouth just yet...


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http://www.lewis-labs.com/Shop.htm

Here's an example of a GF brewer's yeast. I'm optimistic that the stuff in polyflora is also, but I'm not popping any in my mouth just yet...


Melissa,

Hopefully we will find out that the Polyflora has this type of brewer's yeast. Keep us posted. You be the gal!!!


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judi,
look up the candida thread on this forum.....
there s a lot of info there.


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I'm finding lots of brewer's yeast supplements that are labelled gluten-free, so I'm not worried about it (though still awaiting confirmation that this is also before I take any more) NAP does a good job about using high-quality pure stuff, but I may not have a definitive answer for a few days.

The brewer's yeast used as a food ingredient however, is usually a byproduct of beer production, and thus would contain gluten from the barley.  Sad how so many food ingredients are just byproducts of something else, I learned about this the hard way when my corn allergy was at it's worst.


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don t you guys think NAP would have a warning label for all the celiacs out there??

I believe it s safe.......)


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Yes, while searching I noticed Heidi recommending polyflora to celiacs on many occasions, and I've never been told otherwise. Of course, celiacs have learned by experience that we have to ask and verify everything.

Of course, I'd rather take something from a high-quality high-purity producer like NAP that hasn't yet provided a definitive gluten answer/label, than eat something from McDonald's gluten free menu...you know what I mean?


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I really question if the Saccharomyces boulardii in PolyFlora O comes from brewers yeast, even though that is what the package says.

I found this on the Internet:
"Saccharomyces boulardii is registered in Europe under the name Saccharomyces cerevisiae, though the manufacturer states that S. boulardii is not the same as brewers yeast (S. cerevisiae)."


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Equally important to finding the source of where the nutritional yeast is grown (I have read that nutritional yeast can also be grown from wood pulp); some brands of are blended with a wide range of artificial flavors.

This is especially important if one buys their nutritional yeast from the refrigerated bulk foods section of their HFS, as I usually do. Please consult with the consultations at your store(s) to confirm the source of their nutritonal yeast.


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Wow. Thanks for the responses. Melissa_J, I am hoping you can make better progress than I with the folks at NAP. I'm sure I was just speaking to a sales rep and obviously, someone with a more technically oriented background would probably be more helpful. I'll cross my fingers and wait for your findings, thank you very much for pursuing this.

I have been using the NAP products for years but can only take about a quarter of the recommended dosages and still have stomach upset within 15 minutes or so of taking them -- certainly not every time but quite frequently. When I saw the brewer's yeast I thought, "aha!", but since omitting it the past week I still get nauseous from the others. Now I am thinking I am taking too many pills at once, or maybe I shouldn't be taking something at the same time as something else. How do all of you take your supps?

Debs, the spit test is pretty gross... nothing floats. If it is an accurate test then I am loaded with Candida.

Lola, thanks, I did have a look at that thread, very informative.

Missy, thanks, but it all depends on what substrate it is grown on. I just finished reading "The Gluten Free Bible" by Jax Peters Lowell and her writings are what alerted me to this question about brewers yeast -- seems early on she kept glutening herself with it. I know, celiacs have come up with a new verb!

Leaping Greenly, hops are OK for celiacs (but we don't know that the yeast in question was grown on it). Thanks for the welcome!

BTW, how do I get a celiac avatar (so cute)? MOOooooo, I can't tolerate dairy either but I am hoping I will be able to in the future!

Judi


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It's a Yak (Silly-Yak) , so maybe you could tolerate Yak's milk though I probably can't! (Cow, Goat, Water Buffalo, Sheep, it's all the same to me) I just swiped it from silly-yak.com and doctored it up in photoshop.

It would be nice if the NAP supplements had that little thing on the label that some supps do..."Free of: corn, wheat, nuts, gluten...etc." just to ease our celiac minds. I believe the v-caps are gluten-free, however.

You may tolerate the supps better if you dump them out and mix them with a smoothy or something. Sometimes just the air contained inside them makes me burp a little...depending on how many I take. Some will taste better than others this way, I don't recommend it with deflect...eeew! Sometimes when I have a sore throat I'll mix deflect with a strong herbal tea to try to overpower the flavor, then gargle it and drink it, thus I know it definitely tastes like icky medicine. My son never complains about his soymilk spiked with a little polyflora A. I generally try to take the vitamins and calcium a few minutes before a meal, but I don't have too much trouble with nausea to combat. Then I take polyflora and live cell O before bed with lots of water...that may not work with nausea involved. Of course, I'm holding off for now on the polyflora...most nights I forget to take it anyway.


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JK, Edna, and Melissa,

My mother has a list of forbidden foods via a database that celiac.com hosts. I will check this out to see if brewer's yeast is on it. I got thinking when reading this that we celiacs are not allowed beer and hops is one of the main ingredients, is it not?

Hold up on the Polyflora until I can get more information. I'm concerned myself now.

JK - thanks for bringing this up.

Haven't read all the new posts in this thread since last I lighted here (yesterday), but wanted to respond to this one right off the bat.  Beer would be forbidden to celiacs due to the barley malt (barley is a gluten-containing grain), not the hops.  Again, I'm pretty sure that hops is not a grain at all, but I also understand how "pretty sure" is not good enough for a celiac!  "100% sure" is the only sure that matters.  So, I shouldn't have been so definite about nutri. yeast being okay yesterday.  It was the end of the day and I was rushing before I had to go off line.  Usually, if I'm not 100% positive about something, I will make that really clear, as I live in fear of steering someone wrong on the net!!!!!!  But I truly don't think hops is a grain and, like I said, nutritional yeast only feeds on the hops, it is not itself hops, no matter what hops is.  Did that make any sense?  It's early in the morning *lol*...


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It's a Yak (Silly-Yak)...


omg, I never got that before!  That is hilar!  Tee hee!




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Okay, whoa.  I checked out celiac.com and I see where they have "brewer's yeast" (NOT nutritional yeast, which is NOT a byproduct of the beer brewing process and is "primary grown" for human consumption, usually on beets...the brand I consume [KAL] states "gluten free", I belive, right on the label) listed as "forbidden".  Of course, based on that, I would say proceed with extreme caution until we as an amorphous blob-o-BTDers really research into this thing more, HOWEVER--and I could be totally wack here, wouldn't be the first time--I truly think that perhaps celicac.com is misinformed about the nature of brewer's yeast, because they are hearing the word "yeast" and thinking it is somehow related to candida or somehow glutenous due to the barley used in beer (but just because barley has gluten, does something that EATS barley have it?).  I just have a hard time conceiving of brewer's yeast containing gluten...then again, I have a hard time conceiving that my sister could be a Type B, but per her, she is, so thar ya go.

Bottom line:  Apparently, I, for one, do NOT know what I am talking about, so please anyone with celiac reading this thread, proceed with caution.  I'm gonna edit a previous thread of mine wherein I said that brewer's yeast does not contain gluten and that you have the "leaping greenly seal of definiteness on that one".  The ONE time I dole out that precious seal, it turns out I could be wrong.  I personally don't think I am and I think celiac.com has a wrong thing in their forbidden foods list, but then again, that could be a wackness factor on my part, as I LOVE brewer's and nutritional yeast (the later of which I am SURE is okay), and there is a halfway decent chance that I myself have celiac disease...although we will never know as I refuse to eat wheat for six weeks or whatever it is to find out.  Even if they can do a blood test this minute on me without six weeks of wheat ingestion, I don't eat wheat, so my blood won't show a reaction to gluten.  I don't eat anything with gluten anymore, it just sorta evolved that way.  Used to do 100% rye in my earlier BTDing years, but gave that one up.  Now I barely do grains and the one I do if I do any is RICE.  Gotta love rice.

Anyway...this whole brewer's yeast thing is WEIRD and I will get to the bottom of it.  Gotta do a little work right now, but then I'm ON it!


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Hi leaping greanly and others esp. O-nonnies,

perhaps we are missing-the-proverbial-boat-here because your reaction to vitamin C because it was made with a corn base, and now brewer's yeast ... I said whoa!  Do we have to start again ... like with cows being fed grains ... and we react.  Does this mean that we react to the grains or that we react to the now-altered fats in these cows?

A friend sent me this .... much to ponder here .......
http://www.cohenresearch.com/disease_prevention.php

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First of all, sorry for getting a bit off topic here, but I just need to ask this before I forget again..

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DPC. Aajonus Vonderplanitz, who I believe is the world’s leading nutritional expert, suggests that we eat diets very high in raw fat, raw meat and raw protein, some raw fruit, and raw vegetable juices. Aajonus has proved that cooking anything creates volatile toxins (poisons) that enter our bodies, thus building up toxins and heavy metals over years. Cooked and processed food, combined with heavy metals and exposure to the industrial electrical beast in which we all live, has created most of modern man’s degenerative diseases. Over time, raw fat predominantly gradually cleanses glands, muscles and all tissue of toxins as well as lubricates and protects the body. Raw protein rebuilds our muscles, glandular, lymphatic and neurological systems. In part II of my paper, Aajonus has been kind enough to answer most questions about his work, http://www.primaldiet.co


Ehm.. Eat raw meats? I don't think I've eaten raw meat for a very long time.. I thought that was dangerous because you could get various diseases from the meat unless it's cooked or fried enough or something?

Only protein I get raw, I think, will be from eggs (when I used to take it after working out) and nuts.. not sure how protein blends count in here?

So does this mean I should start eating my meath raw? No preparation? ..I read something similar somewhere else the other day, bu couldn't get my head around it so to speak..

Really looking forward to a reply on this as all advice is highly appreciated from you John


Okei, nighty time..



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Currently trying to fight the albicans kritters, but seems like a never-ending battle..
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Hi Viking,

there are lots and lots of problems with forecasting... even doing so with the weather is filled with difficulties that were not dreamed off even a decade ago.  In contrast, the functioning of even one human being for a single day is likely more complex than the weather systems worldwide for the past 1000 years.

We all have this niave notion that any diet system will save us.  This diet-theory about eating raw foods - especially meats poses all kinds of problems for us in our modern world.  If our blood is not as 'pure' as we believe it to be, then animal blood is filled with similar problems.  Will our eating 'raw' only protect us from these infections?  Wild animals eat only raw; are we not wild too?

The article poses questions/attitudes far different than those we are accustomed to.  I am no where near this, but I do know that I am not content ... so maybe.

This article (nor BTD) ever poses the question about what our physical beings do .... does it process energy the way we think .... let's look at light and break it down into photons (small packets of energy).  The pi electron-clouds of essential fatty acids carry this energy form ... why?  to where? does it trigger other processes?  Now we can do the same thing to sound, to magneism,to electricity, to Chi, to generating energies [Have you ever wondered how can older people(in their 20's or 30's) generate 'new' life?  It's as tricky even on a simpler philosophical level.], on and on .... then there it energy transmission within our bodies that require no pi clouds at all ... the piezzo effect; 'deep' sounds that come through-our-bones (not ears but bones) ...
Just as bodybuilders increase muscle size, can we train our brains to expand our brain-capacities?

'fraid there are many more questions than answers

John


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Dr. D. doesn't recommend eating raw meat... due to disease risks. In the past these risks may not have been so high.

I've never reacted to grain-fed meat or known of anyone who has (and if I havent reacted to it nobody would! ). The larger the grain-eating organism is, the better it breaks down the grain, particularly animals like cows that are designed to efficiently and completely digest it. Single celled organisms have to basically swim in the culture media, so it would be like eating a whole cow that had been rolling around in wheat, without even being able to wash it off before eating it ... Howz about that analogy?

I've heard back from NAP, and they'll get back to me once they look into it further.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.

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