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Goldie
Saturday, August 2, 2014, 12:56pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I am wondering what if anything has worked for prediabetics or diabetics?  I am wondering who has done the 500 mg cinnamon 'cures' advertised?  who has successfully been able to track what other things have worked?

I have done some things and find nothing works wonders.  I find that I succumb to wanting foods I should never have again, and nothing really has stopped my brain or body to correct much of anything.

I am taking meds but when I  read up on the side effects then I am wondering if I do more harm than good?    I have taken all sort of approaches and when I am tempted (outside of the house) then nothing works.  I am a hopeless creature of wants.   I am just glad I do not shop on QVC.. I know someone with a house full to the ceiling with unopened boxes from Home Shopping Center.

There are things other than cutting my throat that ought to help.

I have bought supplements by the hundreds and spent all the money under the sun and yet I find still : nothing works.. My numbers have not improved unless I go total 'dog' like and eat nothing but meat.

As for cholesterol I have also taken all kinds of things  and the numbers are still astronomical.

I can say on a good day I can feel OK, but on  bad day, when I feel self pity, then I am angry at the conditions.  I am angry at science because it has not developed a pill that just encapsulates what food I ate and let it process through me without digestion. I mean why not, who cares about it being (maybe) unhealthy: NOThing else is healthy either!!!  The pills and the sups are breaking every bank in the world and still people are forever 'sick'.  At the very least in the olden days people died after 3 years of having diabetes, if it was as simple as all that, I would sign up for the three years and have a life.  

Of all the things touted as good for you... would someone please tell me what why and how come.. and make some guarantee... Taking stuff that just comes at a handful of one dollar a day for each supplement or five, twenty or hundreds of dollars for a hand full of daily pills, or monthly injections for eyes, at 900 dollars a piece, I mean is there not another way?  

Could not someone combine all the stuff into one shake this or that, and truthfully discuss the pro' and con' of living a long life.  I mean why not combine 10 pills into one, why not find a spice that works?  

Has anyone done the cinnamon spice 'cure?' ////// or any other for that matter... ????????????


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My old boyfriend the B  in England always rants and raves on this very theme when you stir it up in his presence. He has Type 2, doesn't follow BTD and is suspicious of ANY implication of any spice or herb for curing diabetes, saying "if it's a CURE - how come we have so many diabetics in the world? People are liars! It's a fad....."  

Although undocumented pre-diabetic I can look at my belly and tell by my weight that I've gotten there. I am doing much better using a once-daily amount of cal d glucarate for directing toxins and hormones along the proper release-pathways of the body. I haven't lost the weight I've needed thru regular exercise, and my sight is slightly blurry for fine print. I have done better with overall metabolism and healing using a negative ion pendant, eventually getting pets to take care of each day, and making plans to relocate away from the toxic person in my life.

I feel lighter, but the belly isn't getting smaller  . I am personally wondering what Guggul can do for the pancreas. It's one of those Indian miracle-herbs always praised on the net, NEVER available in my local vitamin shop, and several different kinds exist, according to Ayurvedic medicine, to apply your constitution. Explorers are usually not "herby" people per say in healing expression (they often backfire on us, and I think we respond better to roots)  but yet I cannot stop wondering about Guggul.  


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Goldie, I think I mentioned this to you before.  There is a book called Drug Muggers written by pharmacist, Suzy Cohen.   She lists common drugs and the nutrients they will steal from the body.  Should you be taking anything that robs magnesium from your body, it will be very difficult to manage diabetes 2 as magnesium is a strong supporter of blood sugar balance.

The side effects of most drugs is that they cause a lot of nutrients to be drained.

http://drsircus.com/medicine/magnesium/the-insulin-magnesium-story-2

Even if you think you are taking adequate magnesium but also taking a drug that robs your body of magnesium you can become deficient. And then find it even more difficult to manage your blood sugar.... Look into magnesium oil absorbed transdermally.  Used  topically, combined with oral magnesium you might find it easier to manage blood sugar. My friend
who isn't taking drugs, started using transdermal magnesium and found she had lower blood sugar numbers.  She's pre-diabetic, and doing well.  She has a strong genetic predisposition to diabetes.... gets it from both parents.


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Thanks Cloe.. I can see where that makes all sort of sense as people get older too.  So many get hand and feet cramps and just chuck it up to 'old age'.. thanks..  


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Quoted from Seraffa
  but yet I cannot stop wondering about Guggul.  


I tried Guggul several years ago but started having this sort of weird diarrhea so I quit taking it. I have learned a lot more since that I didn't know then, so that may not have been a bad sign! I was taking it for high cholesterol, but it is supposed to be good for several things. Some people have severe allergic reactions to it, so be careful! I would take a very small amount to check it out if you decide to give it a try. If you ordered it from some companies, they would take it back if you couldn't use it.


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From the Chopra center on guggul...Very interesting....good for fibromyalgia and joint problems....in
addition to so many other things.

Guggulu (Commiphora mukul) is one of Ayurveda’s strongest purifying herbs, used for thousands of years to clear the sinuses, treat obesity, soothe inflamed joints, and relieve chronic skin disorders. Medical research today is validating many of the traditional uses of guggulu – including its anti-inflammatory and cholesterol-lowering properties. Guggulu helps detoxify unhealthy tissues and is effective for a wide variety of conditions, including:

High cholesterol
Arthritis
Rheumatism
Fibromyalgia
Myofascial pain
Gout
Diabetes
Endometriosis
Nervous disorders
Canker sores
Gingivitis
Guggulu is a complex herb that contains four of the six tastes – bitter, pungent, astringent, and sweet. It is especially helpful for stabilizing Vata and Kapha imbalances without aggravating Pitta. However, anyone taking blood-thinning medications should not take guggulu because it reduces platelet stickiness.

The Chopra Center frequently prescribes guggulu for people who have accumulated toxins from major life stresses such as serious illness or a prolonged antibiotic treatment. In addition, guggulu’s purifying properties are extremely helpful for those who have recently stopped using recreational drugs or abusing alcohol.

As a mouthwash, guggulu is a helpful treatment for canker sores and gingivitis. Simply crush a tablet in one-half cup of warm water and use three times daily. You can also use this same mixture on superficial skin wounds to aide in healing.

OTOH, from another website are these side effects. For women, I would be concerned about it being
a uterine stimulant and promotes menstrual discharge.

GUGGUL SIDE EFFECTS AND INTERACTIONS: Known Hazards: Although the use of guggul in therapeutic doses appears to be safe and non-toxic, the following precautions are advised. Guggul is considered an emenogogue (an agent that promotes the menstrual discharge) and a uterine stimulant, and should not be used during pregnancy. Possible diarrhea, hiccups, restlessness, apprehension.
In addition, caution is recommended with patients currently on prescribed medications for cardiovascular disease. Due to the diuretic action of this herb the following drug interactions are possible: increased risk of toxicity with anti-inflammatory analgesics; if hypokalemia occurs possible antagonism with antiarrhythmics and potentiation of muscle relaxants; antagonizesantidiabetic (hypoglycemic) drugs; may potentiate and/or interfere with antihypertensives; may potentiate lithium therapy; when taken with corticosteroids there is a risk for hypokalemia; may potentiate other diuretics and increase the risk of hypokalemia.

http://ayurveda-foryou.com/ayurveda_herb/guggul.html


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Interesting reading.. thanks.. we need to learn so much more.

I always come back to 'food' as the best of everything.  The connection to high cholesterol is interesting, I would love to try it, but would be afraid of interactions....  For now I am just plugging along.  I am taking the sups and the pills and will see how it goes.  

My biggest issues are my inability to follow the diet.. I am beyond ridiculous.  Yesterday I even ate a Tuna sandwich with cabbage salad, and suffered all night.  I am just ridiculous.  I just wish I could find a good hypnotist... I feel sorry for the doc's who are trying to do the right thing and still I am ridiculous.      


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Goldie, you have way more willpower and determination than you're giving yourself credit for    

Don't look back! Just pick yourself up, move on, and vow to be more resolute with each passing day.
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Well, I'm not so sure this is about having a strong resolve...It appears to be about having an addiction...an unhealthy relationship to food..  And Goldie, perhaps you might want to look into
hypnosis.  This seems to be a deep issue that sometimes isn't as simple as knowing what to eat
and what not to eat.  Many people struggle with food addiction and constantly self sabotage themselves.  You're not alone.  {{{{{hugs}}}}

http://authoritynutrition.com/8-symptoms-of-food-addiction/


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I agree with you, Chloe. Goldie, give yourself a wonderful gift and give it a try!


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