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misspudding
Monday, July 28, 2014, 7:35pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Anyone feeling particularly bitter about this chart like I am? I always have to go through the encyclopedia to find all of the other stuff where it's good to be a nonnie, but not sure I'm feeling it today.

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YES.  

Not sayin' I don't get where you're coming from--I get it missp.

But I look at this chart and it would indicate that AB's are actually at low risk for 'something.'  But guess which AB has managed to land herself an auto-immune condition.  Yep--that would be me.
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I look at the charts, and reason this is what "might be" if I don't change my ways, not what will be, use the information to make improvements, not as a prediction of what "will be"


Swami, 100% me..
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Quoted from susanC
YES.  

Not sayin' I don't get where you're coming from--I get it missp.

But I look at this chart and it would indicate that AB's are actually at low risk for 'something.'  But guess which AB has managed to land herself an auto-immune condition.  Yep--that would be me.


Dang, and you're a secretor? Maybe you're more B-like?


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I look at the charts, and reason this is what "might be" if I don't change my ways, not what will be, use the information to make improvements, not as a prediction of what "will be"


Ahh, yes, but lucky you in your Rh positive, secretor luckiness!


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Dang, and you're a secretor? Maybe you're more B-like?


Actually, I think I am Explorer-like.  GT book made me an Explorer--but SWAMI made me a Teacher.  I suspect I'm a pretty equal mix of the two.

And, I am going to use the new secretor swab test to retest my secretor status. I have my doubts.

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I was always pleased that I was categorized as O- nonnie. (might have been diagnosed wrongly via a bloodtest at my doctor then -but it was to my advantage)

The pains that I felt where real all my life, pain in the neck emotionally and physically..

At the very least the charts pointed me in directions of being able to say YES 'I' have all these propensities and (vague) symptoms showed up way earlier than regular Doctors cold find them or ever talk about.  

I am even today deciding to tell anyone with a possible higher risk for this or that, to seek out way more info on the subject.  Being aware is key.

For instance I 'knew' I could be diabetic from the time my father told me that he was, (i was about 40 then) and or that my brother was as well.  IN actuality I never even thought about me getting it -even though I had been told at 19 that I had a sugar problem.  The way it was 'presented then' was premature, but in looking back .. that (idiot) doctor was correct.  But he never followed through.  HE did not know enough then- about genetics and charts!!! - My loss.

I do not know how they detected the sugar issues in 1965 (in the hospital for diarrhea for 4 days) and I do not know when finger sticks became available/// YET I also wonder what would have happened if I had reacted to that info more, or at least followed up on the info decades before I got diagnosed. I never recognized my own vulnerability until twenty years ago when Dr D came out with his books and charts.  Then I fit the pattern, (and still never reacted to them - my stupid, ignorant, dumb) YET I just did not see the signs, and doctors never talked so as to understand...

I do not suppose one can 'see the signs' on lets say cancer until it appears, but just by pure luck I found my cancer by a small inner voice!  The same with heart condition. Nothing concrete, just on inkling and a liking of a certain doctor- what a way to get to the right place!

On the other hand I would tell anyone who has DIABETES in their possibilities to start finger pricking at any age.  LEARN what your numbers are 20 -40 years before you get diagnosed for it.  Test once a month, see what can be learned, see what matters.. Look at the charts and ask what should I do.... THE word 'diet' alone is not enough... There ought to be way more acceptance and then understanding of the possibilities.  Only then do the charts much good.  Not to fear them, but becoming aware and actively working toward a better LONG time future for some way in the future!.


It is hard to see the future, yet- the charts helped me to see mine --.  NOT to be afraid, but to LEARN -- and to learn NOT to be afraid.   Only then can we really appreciate the great value of them

I am reacting to my eyes PRO-actively now- because I learned that I might could or would have issues, and yes the eye doctor sort of casually mentioned that I am developing issues.. WELL I am not waiting, I am doing!!!! all that I can, NOW not wait, do it now!

Same with all my other issues, I am no longer dealing with ME as 'possibilities' but rather as near certainties!!! Yes the charts can make all the difference between blissful ignorance, or just maybe saving ones own health..--- THE question is only one of how much stress, environment, happiness, bliss, and AGE one experiences and reacts to.  STRESS is SELF thought..  

Age is the devil here, as we age all charts come to be possible.  DEAL with stress to reduce (push out) the onset of issues.  Its well worth it.

BUT KNOWING ---- we can do so much about it!  I love the charts, they told me early on ---subconsciously--- what NO other doctor ever told me... I was and am properly forewarned! Dr D was Right and what is BEST:  He had the GUTS and courage to tell us so .  What a gift to us who are here. Charts are our friends, here to give heed to starting today by seeking knowledge and prevention.. learn to love those charts!


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Tendencies are not predictions. I see "nonnie susceptibilities" as incentive to stick to the plan, not a "death sentence."


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
Tendencies are not predictions. I see "nonnie susceptibilities" as incentive to stick to the plan, not a "death sentence."


Information gives us power.  And we are all forewarned--and therefore forearmed.  

When we stick to our 'diets' we have the best chance of not expressing our unfavorable genes.

(Allow me to jump onto this nonnie thread.  Sometimes being AB is enough. )



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Sure, tendencies are not predictions, but some of us have a lot of tendencies to start with.

I'm usually pretty up about this stuff, but sometimes, I just get really mad/down about it. And I think of those who make c**p food and health decisions and seemingly live for a long time with no health issues are whom I look at with my ire. I never felt well as a kid. I finally figured it out, thankfully, but I don't think I'll ever be as healthy as those with no gut issues. And I look at my son and hope that he'll be able to get past his Crohn's and live a long life with no complications. Very hopeful but still, just a teensy bit bitter.

Really, the BIG reason I'm bitter right now is for my son to get very healthy, he has to eat quite a bit of meat. It's overwhelming to have to buy it and cook it all of the darn time. And we're struggling because it's expensive and we just got a $2200 hospital bill in the mail and I haven't gone back to work yet. And that's why I'm grumpy...


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misspudding--your son is so fortunate to have you for a mom.  

As you say, it is so frustrating to see other people who don't give a c**p about their health, abuse their bodies, and just keep going strong. I share your sentiments exactly.  

I have never really experienced robust health in my lifetime either.  It cost me so much energy covering up not feeling well.  Stiff upper lip.  I know it was out of frustration and helplessness, but my mom used to get mad at me when I didn't feel well--so that was just extra pressure.

Now with all of DrD's work I understand so much about my body, my constitution. I no longer need to feel ashamed because of my fragile state.  And the comaradarie here on this board is supportive beyond compare.  A group of folks who are striving to do all they can to feel good.  I guess we're all striving for that goal of DrD's--that we achieve robust health.  I know that 'robust' is a stretch for me.  But I strive nonetheless.

I am a mother of a nonnie son.  After his birth I watched in frustration and did all I could with the help of a talented ND to bring him along into health. (We would not know until he was well into adulthood that he was a nonnie.)  ER4YT didn't come along until he was a teenager, but when it did we jumped right on it and for a few years many of his issues cleared up--including his stammering/stuttering. I will not take you through every year of his life, but after 2 tours in Iraq, my B/Explorer/nonnie son came home with his health badly broken.  Aside from PTSD, he was diagnosed with an NTM (non-tuberucular mycobacterial) infection in his lungs and sarcoidosis--an inflammatory disease of the lungs as well.  Although he was diagnosed at the VA, he denied their treatment protocols and launched himself back into the BTD, and that along with Chinese herbal treatments, acupuncture and assorted anti-inflammatory supplements he has beat his NTM.  This is a miracle! Many people die from this.  He thought his days were numbered.

So--I tell you this story of my son because I feel strongly that your son will overcome his Crohn's.  I feel that your dedication to him is supporting the healing of his body.  Please do not despair.  Your efforts will not be in vain.  Even the bodies of nonnies have the ability to heal themselves.  My son is healing and your son is healing, and will be well.

Bless you on your journey.
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Susan, thank you for the kind words! I'm so glad your son is doing better. What a long road to have to go through!

You know, I think the reason I wasn't well as a kid was because of the Standard American Diet. My family is all blood type O. My sisters and parents were all O+, I'm the only O-. But I was always sick as a kid because all we ever ate was bread and chicken. Low fat! I remember both parents struggling to keep their weight down. It's no wonder we were always starving but still overweight!

Perhaps if I had grown up eating what my parents had eaten when they were young, I would have had a smoother experience as a kid. Meat and veggies. Lots of fresh fruit. Instead, we ate so much processed c**p in the 1980s...ugh.

Thankfully, my son does get a lot of good food. He's doing almost all beneficials (except for mangoes, which are neutral...the kid loves mangoes!). I am not going to say my son is in remission right now, but two months of being on the right diet (minus grains) has really made a huge difference! He's doing pretty well. I just hope it's a solid long term path of healing and that this is the worst year we'll ever have with him. Fingers crossed...

Thanks for letting me vent, everyone! Three nights ago, I was more stressed than I've been in a while. But we figured out another puzzle piece and things are a lot better.


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