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Sam Dan
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I never felt my heart suffering, and today my sister who worked in hospital told me that heart problems are silent until the real attack happens, way to late.  

I can agree with that and am actually not surprised as the nervous system has several different tracks.  
1 for the regular body pains,
1 for the brain that basically does not feel pain as such and is basically self contained
1 for the heart which is self contained.

Possibly we can not feel pain in the liver until it is to late, same for kidneys and other organs.

At what point would we think of dragging to a doctor to be examined in specific ways?

I know I have so many other acute headaches, some arthritis here and there, a shoulder rotator injury ...

...I would never have even thought of examining my various organs further.  And in some way Doctors where cavalier with me, allowing me to think what I will.  

I bought this or that whatever seemed to make sense, but I hardly touched my heart issues.  Why I do not know, but by talking about this already at least one person (age 11) is already being tested for more than would have happened as a result of my warning everyone.  One twin is affected, the other is not.. interesting.


The issues of needing to drop weight is so over powering that much of the other (connected) issues get shoved under the carpet, of should would if only I could.. and there is so little help to make anyone drop weight.  

Even if one drops some pounds, then there is such a great relieve that again there is no attention paid to the other issues at hand or at arms length.

By talking about weight and diets (often) we forget the need for other action.


There was a person recently who was NOT insurable under any health insurance policy since she has a brain tumor. .. Even though her husband works in a good firm with good health care, she was not able to be covered under that business policy.  NOW she able to be covered under Affordable health care.  What a relief.

Similarly, many who had no coverage before, they might have suffered without coverage, as one young person did with several issues.  Now I am going to encourage her not to just deal with emergencies but rather take a prevention attitude, looking at all sort of issues as prevention.  


I saved my insurance many thousands by having been curious about my high pulse, and got examined in time , before I had the heart attack which would have cost many thousands in recovery and lifelong after care or dissability even.

I had some discussions about Cholesterol, but never about small particles, and I come to understand that many (most) doctors to date are not familiar with 'Small Particles which are the real culprits.  Yes cholesterol is important, yes its a silent killer, but small particles in DIABETICS is the bigger issues.  Diabetes is especially hard on the organs and not just the 'sugar' as such, but the breakdown of tissue everywhere.  Like Diabetes is boring holes into all sort of tissues and vessels which the body patches with Cholesterol at a much bigger rate then with just cholesterol the body makes. bot to mention stressing the body with inflammation.

I am far from understanding the details, but at least I know now some of what I needed to have learned some time ago.     Better late than never.

I am not blaming my Doctors, it is near not possible to keep up to date on all that is new, YET as clients we may need to be more PREVENTION motivated.. It paid of big time for me!

I have way more time now, as I am not sleepy all day..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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Goldie are you taking any meds that could be giving you side effects?  I would think you'd have to
google everything you're taking before you assume your symptoms are all heart related or even new
issues you've never experienced before.

Do you take adequate magnesium?  Many drugs deplete minerals from the body.  Get the book
Drug Muggers written by a pharmacist who goes into great detail about the nutrients being stolen
from the body from each drug.  Many drugs suck magnesium out of the body.  Difficult to get
adequate amounts which is why I like to use transdermal magnesium or bathe in epsoms salts...

Many people with magnesium deficiency have a racing heart.

Here is the book Drug Muggers by Suzy Cohen

Symptoms of Magnesium Deficiency
The first symptoms of deficiency can be subtle – as most magnesium is stored in the tissues, leg cramps, foot pain, or muscle 'twitches' can be the first sign. Other early signs of deficiency include loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, and weakness. As magnesium deficiency worsens, numbness, tingling, seizures, personality changes, abnormal heart rhythms, and coronary spasms can occur.

A full outline of magnesium deficiency was beautifully presented in a recent article by Dr. Sidney Baker. "Magnesium deficiency can affect virtually every organ system of the body. With regard to skeletal muscle, one may experience twitches, cramps, muscle tension, muscle soreness, including back aches, neck pain, tension headaches and jaw joint (or TMJ) dysfunction. Also, one may experience chest tightness or a peculiar sensation that he can't take a deep breath. Sometimes a person may sigh a lot."

"Symptoms involving impaired contraction of smooth muscles include constipation; urinary spasms; menstrual cramps; difficulty swallowing or a lump in the throat-especially provoked by eating sugar; photophobia, especially difficulty adjusting to oncoming bright headlights in the absence of eye disease; and loud noise sensitivity from stapedius muscle tension in the ear."

"Other symptoms and signs of magnesium deficiency and discuss laboratory testing for this common condition. Continuing with the symptoms of magnesium deficiency, the central nervous system is markedly affected. Symptoms include insomnia, anxiety, hyperactivity and restlessness with constant movement, panic attacks, agoraphobia, and premenstrual irritability. Magnesium deficiency symptoms involving the peripheral nervous system include numbness, tingling, and other abnormal sensations, such as zips, zaps and vibratory sensations."

"Symptoms or signs of the cardiovascular system include palpitations, heart arrhythmias, and angina due to spasms of the coronary arteries, high blood pressure and mitral valve prolapse. Be aware that not all of the symptoms need to be present to presume magnesium deficiency; but, many of them often occur together. For example, people with mitral valve prolapse frequently have palpitations, anxiety, panic attacks and premenstrual symptoms. People with magnesium deficiency often seem to be "uptight." Other general symptoms include a salt craving, both carbohydrate craving and carbohydrate intolerance, especially of chocolate, and breast tenderness."

Magnesium is needed by every cell in the body including those of the brain. It is one of the most important minerals when considering supplementation because of its vital role in hundreds of enzyme systems and functions related to reactions in cell metabolism, as well as being essential for the synthesis of proteins, for the utilization of fats and carbohydrates. Magnesium is needed not only for the production of specific detoxification enzymes but is also important for energy production related to cell detoxification. A magnesium deficiency can affect virtually every system of the body.

Like water we need magnesium everyday. There is an
eternal need for magnesium as well as water and when
magnesium is present in water life and health are enhanced.

One of the principle reason doctors write millions of prescriptions for tranquilizers each year is the nervousness, irritability, and jitters largely brought on by inadequate diets lacking magnesium. Persons only slightly deficient in magnesium become irritable, highly-strung, and sensitive to noise, hyper-excitable, apprehensive and belligerent. If the deficiency is more severe or prolonged, they may develop twitching, tremors, irregular pulse, insomnia, muscle weakness, jerkiness and leg and foot cramps.

If magnesium is severely deficient, the brain is particularly affected. Clouded thinking, confusion, disorientation, marked depression and even the terrifying hallucinations of delirium tremens are largely brought on by a lack of this nutrient and remedied when magnesium is given. Because large amounts of calcium are lost in the urine when magnesium is under supplied, the lack of this nutrient indirectly becomes responsible for much rampant tooth decay, poor bone development, osteoporosis and slow healing of broken bones and fractures. With vitamin B6 (pyridoxine), magnesium helps to reduce and dissolve calcium phosphate kidney stones.

Magnesium deficiency may be a common factor associated with insulin resistance. Symptoms of MS that are also symptoms of magnesium deficiency include muscle spasms, weakness, twitching, muscle atrophy,  an inability to control the bladder, nystagmus (rapid eye movements), hearing loss, and osteoporosis.  People with MS have higher rates of epilepsy than controls.  Epilepsy has also been linked to magnesium deficiencies

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I didn't read any of the post but... I was told by an emergency responder trained person that people that actually have heart attacks, it's rare that they've ever had chest pain.
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