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ruthiegirl
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My health has not been great this year. I've been tired a lot, and dealing with a lot of brain  fog. I also seem to be having trouble sometimes with keeping my mood stable- that symptom in particular has been REALLY bad for the past several days.

Part of it is due to stress, I'm sure. My oldest daughter came home last Sunday after being in Israel for 10 months, and we're still getting settled in. Today is the last day of high school for my middle daughter. My 12 year old son has been INCREDIBLY draining lately; often refusing to go to school. We find something that works for a few days and then the problems start right back up again.

For this thread, I want to focus on my own needs. I often feel like things are *almost OK* and then all it takes is *one thing going wrong* and I'm falling apart again. I seem to need a lot of quiet time, and I never get enough of it. Sometimes I'll have a few hours or even a few days of quiet when I can focus on myself, and I start feeling better- but then inevitably something else comes up and I crash again.

I can deal with each individual "crisis" as it comes up, but I'm thinking about the bigger picture right now. WHY do I seem to need so much quiet time? It's literally been years that I've felt overwhelmed and "peopled out" just from my own kids. I've been struggling to find equilibrium and I never seem to keep it for long.

Is there some specific neurotransmitter I'm likely low in, that supplements could help with? Any herbs that should help? I've already been on SWAMI for several years and I've been taking B vitamins and magnesium even before I found BTD. I'm not sure what else to do.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Wonder if you have one of the MTHFR polymorphisms? Regular folic acid wouldn't be enough.

Have you had food sensitivity work done? Any obvious trigger foods?

Maybe just good old classic environmental allergies?

Hope you figure it out. Maybe take some rhodiola? Get more exercise?




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Exercise is hard when I get dizzy and out of breath. I suspect that rhodiola is making me worse. I started taking it a while ago, then after a few months developed anxiety (which had NEVER been part of my symptoms of depression.) I stopped taking it for quite some time. A few days ago I started taking it again, hoping maybe it would help energize me and give me some focus to get through the day. In that week I've started feeling worse. Maybe the rhodiola is to blame.

I also take 100 mg of 5-HTP at night. I used to take 200 mg, then I tried to cut back because it seemed "un-natural" to rely on this product, plus it's rather expensive. I seemed to do OK on 100 mg, so I  tried dropping down to 50 mg. That did NOT go well, so I went back to 100.


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Ruth you sound just like I have felt all winter, I've gained 20lb and don't know how, but I've felt tired, etc. I've decided it's all the pollen and the extreme cold.  I just added L-Tyrosine (700 mg) and CoQ10(100mg) because of something I read in the Live Right book. (I think) I've been doing so for almost two weeks and I'm feeling much better, more energized with less brain fog. Might what to look these up and see if they night be right for you.


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Oh, thyroid would make sense! More kelp?




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Low thyroid....L tyrosine would help

L-tyrosine is an amino acid precursor for synthesis of the neurotransmitters norepinephrine and dopamine.* By improving the rate of neurotransmitter synthesis, L-tyrosine stimulates the central nervous system.* It appears to function as an adaptogen by relieving physical symptoms of stress, such as mood swings.* Chronically stressed individuals may not efficiently convert phenylalanine to L-tyrosine, making supplementation with L-tyrosine desirable.*

L-tyrosine also serves as a precursor for the thyroid hormone thyroxine and melanin, the pigment responsible for skin and hair color and protection against harmful ultraviolet rays.* In addition, L-tyrosine stimulates growth hormone and is involved in adrenal and pituitary function.* L-tyrosine is also a powerful antioxidant, scavenging and neutralizing free radicals and inhibiting fat oxidation.*

Natural sources are found in many high protein foods such as soy, meat, peanuts, almonds, avocados, bananas, milk, cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese, lima beans, pumpkin seeds and sesame seeds.


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yeah, Chloe, that's what I read believe it might have been Doc D's fatigue book.


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I've been eating kelp regularly. I ran out for a while (the HFS stopped carrying it in bulk form) but then I found another source and I've been eating that regularly. I think I recall reading that L-tyrosine can cause or exacerbate high blood pressure, which used to be an issue for me. Also, rhodiola is supposed to bump up dopamine and the rhodiola seems to be making me worse, so would the L-tyrosine be safe for me to try?


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I use catechol and some exercise to help in those situations. but if in doubt as to what's wrong try polyvite O.

keep it simple.


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
IAlso, rhodiola is supposed to bump up dopamine and the rhodiola seems to be making me worse, so would the L-tyrosine be safe for me to try?


Why not try  eating more high L tyrosine foods before supplementing with pills.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000087000000000000000.html


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some do better with ashwaganda…
the dizziness (been there) is probably severe adrenal fatigue...
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Ruthie, can you have spirulina? Contains tyrosine plus might give you the energy boost you're looking for.

http://www.naturalways.com/spirulina-analysis.htm


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Spirulina is an avoid for O - at least it used to be. Sounds like Thyroid, my wife has had the same symptoms as you. On Medication right now, trying to find the right one (Type A)
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I just checked my SWAMI- spirulina is a diamond. In fact, all sea vegetables are diamonds for me.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
I just checked my SWAMI- spirulina is a diamond. In fact, all sea vegetables are diamonds for me.


Yes, it is a diamond for me as well, I put it in a shaker and powder my eggs,


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I just checked my SWAMI- spirulina is a diamond. In fact, all sea vegetables are diamonds for me.


  This might be a perfect supplement for you for better energy, a little thyroid boost, also some natural tyrosine...

It's a diamond for me too....going to start taking it....good for detoxing...

http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-spirulina.html


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Hi ruthiegirl:

I'm getting less comfortable offering suggestions lately.  I just wanted to let you know that after this winter, I feel as though I regressed nearly back to my pre-BTD days.  I crave sleep especially, and I feel like going to bed in the morning after I finish getting ready for work.

There does seem to be a great deal of stress in your life right now, and that's probably having a strong influence on how you feel.  I hope things get better for you very quickly!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Jeepers Ruthie - really feel for you!! I'm guessing stress plus maybe adrenal fatigue plus the fibromalgia?
You do have an awful lot to cope with on your own, being a single Mum and no doubt the restrictions of your religious requirements can add to those demands at times (mean no offence)... Not to mention your Dad dying recently and now Jack's situation?! The grief from that would still be weighing on you I imagine and now the strain of having to care for your Mum (in some part) as well?!
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My Mom doesn't need me to take care of her. She's turning 70 in a few days and she's WAY more energetic and healthy than I am! What does happen, however, is that she makes demands of me that are completely unrealistic for my health and energy level, because it just doesn't occur to her that what she's asking for is too much for me. I'm getting better about telling her when it's too much, but it's still another ongoing source of stress.


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
I'm getting better about telling her when it's too much, but it's still another ongoing source of stress.


That's a good start.

If you are overstressed you are the one who can best control the 'optional' stress inputs. Not everything can be avoided but you need to do the best you can not to overdo it.
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Hi Ruthie, I am sorry to hear that things have not been going well for you lately and that your health has suffered.  I, too, have been under tremendous stress in my life for the last three years from many different aspects of life.  While I would prefer not to go into my issues, I am happy to tell you some of the things that have worked for me and offer some suggestions.

First and foremost, if you can afford to go to someone who can test your hormones either by saliva or a blood test, I would highly recommend it.  Make sure it includes your thyroid.  You can also go to your PCP and have your thyroid tested.  Given your age and your stress level, it could be adrenal fatigue, thyroid issues, peri-menopausal issues or all of the above.  A lot of what you are describing sounds a lot like what I have been feeling and I agree with idea of adrenal fatigue as a start.  However, with hormones (whether they be adrenal, thyroid or reproductive) it is important to understand what you are dealing with so that you get it right.  Otherwise, it is important to understand that you could make things worse, which is why I recommend testing first and supplementing with the advice of a professional once you have the results.

The information above from misspudding about testing for MTHFR is also a good recommendation because this will help you to better understand how your body PROCESSES your hormones.  In other words, if you are abundant in certain hormones and your body cannot process them all, they can build up in your system and cause very significant issues.

I have just had my saliva tested and will get the results on Wednesday.  I suspect adrenal fatigue and menopausal hormonal issues as well.  My mother's thyroid issues started as a child.  She has been on synthroid for years and my sister is now taking it, so this is another concern of mine.  This is the 4th hormone test I have had in about three years and I am glad to get them.  While they can be expensive (about $180 each) I feel that I save money by not purchasing supplements that I am guessing will help but have no way of really knowing if they will solve the problem.  I am sure we have all been there - gotten a recommendation from someone we trust or heard about a great supplements, spent the money on them and found that they did nothing to resolve our issues.  I have an entire shelf in my closet filled with them.  Now I am trying to spend the money to test for the issues first and supplement once the results are in.  I take the supplements recommended for me.  Once I start to feel that things are not working well again I have them tested again and find that they have changed and I need to change my supplementation.  Our bodies are not static - they are dynamic and things change constantly.

Lastly, I have found a product called Kavinace to be very helpful for my feelings of despair and sadness.  It is expensive but I guess I figure it is worth it to feel less blue.  It helps with GABA and I am sure if Kavinace is out of your price range, you might be able to find another GABA product for less money.  I buy Kavinace at http://www.naturalhealtyconcepts.com
Maybe Dr. D makes a product that helps with GABA . . .

You are in my thoughts, Ruthie, and I wish you the best and hope you feel well soon.


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What are you eating?

What past problems have you had?

What do you do for exercise? Anything? How long since you use to exercise in what manner?
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Kavinace


Have you ever noticed any withdrawal symptoms if you stop using it? The main ingredient seems to be a derivative of GABA, as you have noted it is a GABA related product:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenibut
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My Mom doesn't need me to take care of her. She's turning 70 in a few days and she's WAY more energetic and healthy than I am! What does happen, however, is that she makes demands of me that are completely unrealistic for my health and energy level, because it just doesn't occur to her that what she's asking for is too much for me. I'm getting better about telling her when it's too much, but it's still another ongoing source of stress.
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...and now the strain of having to care for your Mum (in some part) as well?!
Which is exactly why I said "...having to care for...(in part)" And your answer confirms imo, that this is (not surprisingly) a stress for you
Another thought I had was - could you be starting peri-menopause? That definitely alters your mood and tolerance levels too...

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the dizziness (been there) is probably severe adrenal fatigue...
I was thinking the same thing.



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ARA Plus gives me a super lift when I need it, along with Bach Olive. I used these this morning before driving home from our oldest son's house. I was already tired before we left, but these two together never let me down!  


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Ruthie--I am an expert on adrenal fatigue--been plagued off and on with it for years.  The stress of having a child who is struggling, as Jack is, is enough right there, not to mention the many other things you are dealing with right now.  I vote for adrenal fatigue--and hope you are feeling better soon.
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I scored in the "moderately adrenal fatigued" on the questionnaire. I'm not about to purchase any of the linked products, as they're quite pricey. I should probably get some lab tests done before I start spending any money on supplements anyway.

I'm overdue for my annual physical anyway. I need to call and make an appointment soon, and I can walk in there with a list of tests to request.

What specific tests should I ask her to run? I know that there are a lot of "incomplete" lab tests out there that doctors will order, not realizing that these tests might miss a problem. I don't know all the names of all the "right" tests though.


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Hope you get some answers soon Ruthie.  On top of everything else, the pollen levels this year are extremely high and that can add to fatigue.  Testing thyroid (and not just TSH - a FULL thyroid panel) might help too.  Os tend to have thyroid problems.  It's one of the things that led me to the BTD in the mid 90s.  
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Ruthie, just sharing something for you to read because I'm not sure conventional doctors understand
adrenals the way holistic doctors do....and much of holistic testing uses saliva and conventional doctors don't generally know about this type of testing nor do they know what to do with the results.

I know this is someone Sereffa mentioned...Dr. Lam....who seems to focus on the glandular systems... adrenal specifically.

Here's his website....It might give you some insight into which direction you'd want to explore....although I know nothing about this doctor nor his expertise...just that his name sounded
familiar and he explains a lot about tests in general.
http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue_and_laboratory_testing.asp

I agree with Jane about getting a full thyroid panel.  Also, our area was simply awful for pollen
this year....and I had many days where I was walking around feeling draggy and worn out just from high pollen count, although I wasn't particularly stuffy or sneezing..  Sometimes just felt
like my head was full and I wanted to move in slow motion.

Blood sugar test....A1C.....Vitamin D status....possibly ask about your level of B12.....being tired
could be low B12.

Sometimes specific tests would only be indicated if something was off on a CBC....for example...
if your fasting blood sugar is within a normal rage, I'm not sure a doctor would start exploring other blood sugar tests.   But each doctor is different and sometimes they actually listen to their
patients.



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I've been having the A1C for years now, probably due to the diagnosis of "gestational diabetes" with my son, plus family history of diabetes. I remember reading somewhere about different kinds of vitamin D tests and that just testing the D3 level wasn't enough. Something about "storage vs active" vitamin D, but I can't recall the exact names of the tests.

Is "full thyroid panel" good enough or do I have to specify all the tests she should run?


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Also low B-12 can cause vertigo which causes dizzy feelings. It happened to me 9 years ago and I thought I was losing it. I had my car in park at the drive through car wash with the emergency brake on and swore the car was moving...it was severe B-12 deficiency from Pernicious/Megablastic anemia.
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as mentioned... isn't that seen similar to burn out syndrom .. R-girl..please take care of you !!! from Isa


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Ruthie, I copied and pasted this from the Vitamin D council...

"Ask your doctor for a vitamin D test. Be specific and ask for a 25(OH)D test. There is another type of blood test for vitamin D, called  a 1,25(OH)₂D test, but the 25(OH)D test is the only one that will tell you whether you’re getting enough vitamin D. "


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Have you ever noticed any withdrawal symptoms if you stop using it? The main ingredient seems to be a derivative of GABA, as you have noted it is a GABA related product:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenibut


No withdrawal - however, I did start it more slowly and increase.  When I need it, I work up to two in the morning and one before bed.


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I scored in the "moderately adrenal fatigued" on the questionnaire. I'm not about to purchase any of the linked products, as they're quite pricey. I should probably get some lab tests done before I start spending any money on supplements anyway.

I'm overdue for my annual physical anyway. I need to call and make an appointment soon, and I can walk in there with a list of tests to request.

What specific tests should I ask her to run? I know that there are a lot of "incomplete" lab tests out there that doctors will order, not realizing that these tests might miss a problem. I don't know all the names of all the "right" tests though.


Ruthie, can you afford to see a naturopath in your area?  If so, you could get the saliva test for hormones, which will INCLUDE the adrenal hormones.  Like I said, I paid $180 for the test plus the doctor visit.  My PCP sent me to a hormone specialist but she used blood tests which did not show everything.  I agree with idea to try this first with an holistic practitioner.  Expensive - but the results will be more helpful to coming up with a good program with natural supplements.


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No withdrawal - however, I did start it more slowly and increase.


Thanks, I'm a bit curious about it.  The contraindication and side effect profile has me a bit concerned.

Glad it is helping you.

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just from the first words.. no Lyme?  

and menopause is enormous stress, since it leaves us NOT knowing what to do for this and that and all the other things,,

when we are 42 we finally say: no more, some of me is for me, NO more... dadada..  when we become 52 we ought to be done with that, like kids all grown, like health at the very least better understood, but kids are not grown and we are to old and tired to fight the fight they need to fight every day..

I 'feel' the tried you feel. I felt that way for decades after I had the kids, I was 'to old' for teenagers, I was to stressed from foods and work to feel relaxed and I felt to insecure to feel good.

The feel the tired as I felt it to much trouble to breath even.. I feel it for not knowing what to do.. and weight is another issue.

Just today (at 70)  I got back my blood test with high markers for cholesterol.. at least this doctor subscribes to the facts that it was not the foods I ate, but it is inherited.. at least he did not tell me to stop eating eggs.. every little bit helps.. for sanity...

The other issue I really find interesting, I had finally paid all my bills and I somehow feel way better, even though I have no money to put in the bank.. but at least I can sleep nights on that.. it is not important to think about money .. nice!.. relaxing!..

as fro kids they just need to grow older, and not mess you up to much, like feeling guilty.. NO it is not your fault, no it is not your fault, no all is not your fault.. It is not their fault either, it is just life.. sometimes it 'sucks'.. sometimes it pulls the very life out of you..

You have been here so many times, for all who would ask ,,, be well my friend..

just an after thought, as I did not give any usable info..

My nephew has started January with taking Milk Thistle complex with Dandelion and Turmeric, and he dropped 30 pounds .. seems less hungry and is more contented..

It is sold as a liver cleanse by Puritan Pride.. IT impressed him to go alternative.. I am sooo proud of him...    he is listening to me about BTD.. even if the long way around..

It took 20 years!!!! hahaha ..

All the best my BTD friend..  

I like this.. it once long ago changed my life... acceptance to life as it is..

Demandingness

is this irrational belief that you always deserve to be treated right.
Every problem in life is blamed on an unfair world.

This man or woman feels that they're special somehow and entitled to a break because they've always been a good parent, spouse, child or employee.

Solution

Understand;  In reality, the world operates quite independently from what you want or demand.

To say it another way

If you expect the world to treat you fairly is like expecting that a bull will not charge you, because you are a vegetarian.




Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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fine….but….
back to your adrenals: Your primary care doc will not know what to do. I told mine I had adrenal fatigue and he said he didn't believe in it. This is a very real diagnosis but is done by alternative medicine…..that said, Dr. Hyman, Dr. Diana Schwartzbein, etc. ("real" doctors) all treat it. You tested as "moderately adrenal fatigued"…that's serious enough. Your cortisol starts showing up at the wrong time of day (night) and its hard to get up in the morning….etc. etc…..
You can do your own research if you can't afford a holistic doc. Best of luck.
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25-OH vitamin D test; Calcidiol; 25-hydroxycholecalciferol test
According to MedLine these are all the same as Vitamin D 25-Hydroxy


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One other thought.  Years ago I complained to my doctor that I was feeling totally exhausted, couldn't put one foot in front of the other.  When she did blood tests, it came back that my calcium was WAY too high which is an indication of a parathyroid tumor usually.  There was a special test that I had to take where they had to immediately refrigerate the blood after taking it.  I had a parathyroidectomy (and a near total thyroidectomy) within a few weeks.  Calcium being that high is an indication of the tumor and it means that it is stealing calcium from your bones.  Probably not the reason at all for what you are going through but just one more thing that probably should be explored with a CBC.
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In my experience also--allopathic doctors do not understand adrenal function.

The gold standard test for adrenal function is the ASI--Adrenal Stress Index from DiagnosTechs.  It is a saliva test that charts adrenal and insulin function throughout the day.  Through their website you can locate a provider in your area to evaluate your results and treat you if necessary.  
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Ruthie, so sorry. I feel like I am the queen of fatigue--but really there are others who share my throne.
When I feel anxious about never being able to accomplish all that is asked of me, I take your advice and go to the Bach remedies. Hornbeam. It helps!

In my neck of the woods, Macelle Pick is the expert on adrenal fatigue. My gynecologist consulted with her when I complained of fatigue.  The ASI test, mentioned by susanC,  indicated some patterns of adrenal fatigue, and led to a trial of cortisol. No definitive Dx, but I am quite impressed with Marcelle Pick's work.
Eventually, I had a heart valve surgery, which I have been told will boost my energy level. I am still waiting to regain my pre-surgery level of energy.

The thyroid tests are T1, T3, T4.  --no idea if there is a T2.

http://www.womentowomen.com/?s=adrenal+fatigue




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You have described classic pre-menopausal/menopausal symptoms, IMO.
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You have described classic pre-menopausal/menopausal symptoms, IMO.
This was my suggestion a page or so back - I was just like that when I went through it
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Yes, menopause can be a beast sometimes!


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Ruthie, I have read only the first words of your first post, and I'd like to ask you also to take into account these days' overwhelming transformational energies all over Earth, that create especially hard times which aggravate any human experience, and add this to your consideration - of course in addition to all the physical beneficial measures you choose to take.

As usual, highly sensitive persons always react more pronouncely.


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Thanks, I'm a bit curious about it.  The contraindication and side effect profile has me a bit concerned.

Glad it is helping you.


Lloyd - one thing I will say is that I have been on and off of this supplement for the last two years.  I take it when I feel I need it.  I believe that I was feeling much better for about six months so I went off of it with no issues.  When I had some issues to deal with, I went back on it again.  If I miss a day, I don't feel badly.  The first time I took it, after about 2 weeks I had what I would consider a slow but noticeable decrease in negative thoughts.  Even if I had the negative thoughts, they did not affect me in the same way that they had before.  In other words, I was much better able to cope with the particular major stress in my life.

While we are all individuals, I am a big fan of Kavinace.  I feel it dramatically helped at a time when I needed it and I take it only when I need it.  When I forget to take it, I know I am needing it less!


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In my experience also--allopathic doctors do not understand adrenal function.

The gold standard test for adrenal function is the ASI--Adrenal Stress Index from DiagnosTechs.  It is a saliva test that charts adrenal and insulin function throughout the day.  Through their website you can locate a provider in your area to evaluate your results and treat you if necessary.  


This is the test I just had from my new naturopath.  I am definitely experiencing adrenal fatigue.  You test your saliva four different times of the day.  Morning, lunch, dinner and bed time.  My own particular test came up with cortisol present in the morning but none the rest of the day.  She has prescribed Bio-Adaptogen Ultra for adrenal support.


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One other thought.  Years ago I complained to my doctor that I was feeling totally exhausted, couldn't put one foot in front of the other.  When she did blood tests, it came back that my calcium was WAY too high which is an indication of a parathyroid tumor usually.  There was a special test that I had to take where they had to immediately refrigerate the blood after taking it.  I had a parathyroidectomy (and a near total thyroidectomy) within a few weeks.  Calcium being that high is an indication of the tumor and it means that it is stealing calcium from your bones.  Probably not the reason at all for what you are going through but just one more thing that probably should be explored with a CBC.


This is very interesting to me.  My brother was diagnosed with extremely high calcium.  With his heart disease history (heart attack at age 53 - stents) then later needed bypass surgery, this is a very dangerous condition.

My mother has had thyroid issues since she was a child when she had a goiter.  She has been on synthroid for years.  I assume her doctors tested this but I will check.  Thank you very much for sharing this.


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Patty and Jane,  I too was diagnosed with hyperparathyroidism. My blood calcium was high, although not outrageously so, but when we tested my PTH (parathyroid hormone), it was a whooping 320, where normal is around maybe 50--maybe lower--my memory may not be serving me correctly on that.  I had a 2.5cm adenoma on one parathyroid gland.  (We have four.)  Had that one removed and my blood calcium and PTH went to normal immediately.  I presume it took some time for the calcium to clear from internal organs where it gets deposited.  When blood calcium starts looking high, it's important to test the PTH.
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Ruth, fatigue is the primary challenge in my daily life.  

I agree with Bach flower remedies as a very great assistance.  The one that helps me the most with bone-deep fatigue is OLIVE.  I love it for this particular condition.



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Exercise is hard when I get dizzy and out of breath. I suspect that rhodiola is making me worse. I started taking it a while ago, then after a few months developed anxiety (which had NEVER been part of my symptoms of depression.) I stopped taking it for quite some time. A few days ago I started taking it again, hoping maybe it would help energize me and give me some focus to get through the day. In that week I've started feeling worse. Maybe the rhodiola is to blame.

I also take 100 mg of 5-HTP at night. I used to take 200 mg, then I tried to cut back because it seemed "un-natural" to rely on this product, plus it's rather expensive. I seemed to do OK on 100 mg, so I  tried dropping down to 50 mg. That did NOT go well, so I went back to 100.


Rhodiola actually stimulates the adrenal gently and if you are depleted i think it can initially feel like anxiety.  Also the right amount matters.  Higher amounts are said to stimulate and lower amounts to relax.  I actually find when i take two 500mg at 5% rosavins it relaxes me while if i just take one it sorta hypes me up.  I took two yesterday one at 11am and 1 at 5pm and knocked out watching a movie at 11.  Yet it helps me with focus.  I also use ashwagandha which works outstanding for me, and the two together work great for me.  But I give credit most to ashwagandha, the rhodiola I already had.   The combo in my case amazingly seems to be quite effective.   Ashwagandha is recommended for A types most for this type of thing and also B types..
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Ruth, fatigue is the primary challenge in my daily life.  

I agree with Bach flower remedies as a very great assistance.  The one that helps me the most with bone-deep fatigue is OLIVE.  I love it for this particular condition.

It is so easy to forget the power that comes from these little bottles! Olive is good for people who get sleepy driving too, --the ones who are not into caffeine, etc.!


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Ruthie, can you afford to see a naturopath in your area?  If so, you could get the saliva test for hormones, which will INCLUDE the adrenal hormones.  Like I said, I paid $180 for the test plus the doctor visit.  My PCP sent me to a hormone specialist but she used blood tests which did not show everything.  I agree with idea to try this first with an holistic practitioner.  Expensive - but the results will be more helpful to coming up with a good program with natural supplements.


Naturopaths are not licensed in NYS, so of course there's no insurance coverage for it. Meanwhile, Medicaid will cover 100% of any tests I can get my PCP to order for me. My current income consists of SSI and food stamps for 3 (even though there are now 4 of us living in the house.)  Neither of the girls has found a job yet, and I'm not getting any more child support. I've been borrowing money for  groceries.  It's simply not possible to spend $300+ on a visit to a naturopath.


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SusanC you had exactly the same thing that I had - a parathyroid tumor on one of the parathyroids.  Most people do have 4 but some people actually can have more.  My test was also way up in the 300s and normal I believe is somewhere around 25 if I recall.  It was a long time ago - 1996!
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I'm going to have to re-read this thread when I have some more brain function, and take some notes on it before I next see my doctor. I just haven't had the energy to do higher-order thinking, and I've been so busy with the kids and my Mom's upcoming party that there just hasn't been time for anything else. Not when spending a few hours running errands basically leaves me feeling "spent" for the day.


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Naturopaths are not licensed in NYS, so of course there's no insurance coverage for it. Meanwhile, Medicaid will cover 100% of any tests I can get my PCP to order for me. My current income consists of SSI and food stamps for 3 (even though there are now 4 of us living in the house.)  Neither of the girls has found a job yet, and I'm not getting any more child support. I've been borrowing money for  groceries.  It's simply not possible to spend $300+ on a visit to a naturopath.


Totally understood, Ruthie.  

Maybe someone here can offer you some suggestions on tests that your PCP can do for adrenal fatigue?  Another idea is to get a referral to a specialist who deals with hormones.  My PCP did refer me to someone.  Maybe bioidentical hormones would be good for you.  Do you know if you have a polymorphism in your methylation (MTHFR)?  If you do, then using hormones, whether bioidentical that are applied externally and do not need to pass through the liver or ingesting hormones that do need to pass through the liver, can cause problems.  I know this because my body could not methylate the leftover hormones when I was using the bioidentical hormones.  I cannot tell you how disappointed I was because i felt fantastic while I was on them  

You take good care.  


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It is so easy to forget the power that comes from these little bottles! Olive is good for people who get sleepy driving too, --the ones who are not into caffeine, etc.!
Most powerful.



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