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Quoted from jayneeo
the dizziness (been there) is probably severe adrenal fatigue...
I was thinking the same thing.



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ARA Plus gives me a super lift when I need it, along with Bach Olive. I used these this morning before driving home from our oldest son's house. I was already tired before we left, but these two together never let me down!  


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Ruthie--I am an expert on adrenal fatigue--been plagued off and on with it for years.  The stress of having a child who is struggling, as Jack is, is enough right there, not to mention the many other things you are dealing with right now.  I vote for adrenal fatigue--and hope you are feeling better soon.
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I scored in the "moderately adrenal fatigued" on the questionnaire. I'm not about to purchase any of the linked products, as they're quite pricey. I should probably get some lab tests done before I start spending any money on supplements anyway.

I'm overdue for my annual physical anyway. I need to call and make an appointment soon, and I can walk in there with a list of tests to request.

What specific tests should I ask her to run? I know that there are a lot of "incomplete" lab tests out there that doctors will order, not realizing that these tests might miss a problem. I don't know all the names of all the "right" tests though.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Hope you get some answers soon Ruthie.  On top of everything else, the pollen levels this year are extremely high and that can add to fatigue.  Testing thyroid (and not just TSH - a FULL thyroid panel) might help too.  Os tend to have thyroid problems.  It's one of the things that led me to the BTD in the mid 90s.  
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Ruthie, just sharing something for you to read because I'm not sure conventional doctors understand
adrenals the way holistic doctors do....and much of holistic testing uses saliva and conventional doctors don't generally know about this type of testing nor do they know what to do with the results.

I know this is someone Sereffa mentioned...Dr. Lam....who seems to focus on the glandular systems... adrenal specifically.

Here's his website....It might give you some insight into which direction you'd want to explore....although I know nothing about this doctor nor his expertise...just that his name sounded
familiar and he explains a lot about tests in general.
http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue_and_laboratory_testing.asp

I agree with Jane about getting a full thyroid panel.  Also, our area was simply awful for pollen
this year....and I had many days where I was walking around feeling draggy and worn out just from high pollen count, although I wasn't particularly stuffy or sneezing..  Sometimes just felt
like my head was full and I wanted to move in slow motion.

Blood sugar test....A1C.....Vitamin D status....possibly ask about your level of B12.....being tired
could be low B12.

Sometimes specific tests would only be indicated if something was off on a CBC....for example...
if your fasting blood sugar is within a normal rage, I'm not sure a doctor would start exploring other blood sugar tests.   But each doctor is different and sometimes they actually listen to their
patients.



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I've been having the A1C for years now, probably due to the diagnosis of "gestational diabetes" with my son, plus family history of diabetes. I remember reading somewhere about different kinds of vitamin D tests and that just testing the D3 level wasn't enough. Something about "storage vs active" vitamin D, but I can't recall the exact names of the tests.

Is "full thyroid panel" good enough or do I have to specify all the tests she should run?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Also low B-12 can cause vertigo which causes dizzy feelings. It happened to me 9 years ago and I thought I was losing it. I had my car in park at the drive through car wash with the emergency brake on and swore the car was moving...it was severe B-12 deficiency from Pernicious/Megablastic anemia.
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as mentioned... isn't that seen similar to burn out syndrom .. R-girl..please take care of you !!! from Isa


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Ruthie, I copied and pasted this from the Vitamin D council...

"Ask your doctor for a vitamin D test. Be specific and ask for a 25(OH)D test. There is another type of blood test for vitamin D, called  a 1,25(OH)₂D test, but the 25(OH)D test is the only one that will tell you whether you’re getting enough vitamin D. "


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Quoted from Lloyd


Have you ever noticed any withdrawal symptoms if you stop using it? The main ingredient seems to be a derivative of GABA, as you have noted it is a GABA related product:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenibut


No withdrawal - however, I did start it more slowly and increase.  When I need it, I work up to two in the morning and one before bed.


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I scored in the "moderately adrenal fatigued" on the questionnaire. I'm not about to purchase any of the linked products, as they're quite pricey. I should probably get some lab tests done before I start spending any money on supplements anyway.

I'm overdue for my annual physical anyway. I need to call and make an appointment soon, and I can walk in there with a list of tests to request.

What specific tests should I ask her to run? I know that there are a lot of "incomplete" lab tests out there that doctors will order, not realizing that these tests might miss a problem. I don't know all the names of all the "right" tests though.


Ruthie, can you afford to see a naturopath in your area?  If so, you could get the saliva test for hormones, which will INCLUDE the adrenal hormones.  Like I said, I paid $180 for the test plus the doctor visit.  My PCP sent me to a hormone specialist but she used blood tests which did not show everything.  I agree with idea to try this first with an holistic practitioner.  Expensive - but the results will be more helpful to coming up with a good program with natural supplements.


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No withdrawal - however, I did start it more slowly and increase.


Thanks, I'm a bit curious about it.  The contraindication and side effect profile has me a bit concerned.

Glad it is helping you.

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just from the first words.. no Lyme?  

and menopause is enormous stress, since it leaves us NOT knowing what to do for this and that and all the other things,,

when we are 42 we finally say: no more, some of me is for me, NO more... dadada..  when we become 52 we ought to be done with that, like kids all grown, like health at the very least better understood, but kids are not grown and we are to old and tired to fight the fight they need to fight every day..

I 'feel' the tried you feel. I felt that way for decades after I had the kids, I was 'to old' for teenagers, I was to stressed from foods and work to feel relaxed and I felt to insecure to feel good.

The feel the tired as I felt it to much trouble to breath even.. I feel it for not knowing what to do.. and weight is another issue.

Just today (at 70)  I got back my blood test with high markers for cholesterol.. at least this doctor subscribes to the facts that it was not the foods I ate, but it is inherited.. at least he did not tell me to stop eating eggs.. every little bit helps.. for sanity...

The other issue I really find interesting, I had finally paid all my bills and I somehow feel way better, even though I have no money to put in the bank.. but at least I can sleep nights on that.. it is not important to think about money .. nice!.. relaxing!..

as fro kids they just need to grow older, and not mess you up to much, like feeling guilty.. NO it is not your fault, no it is not your fault, no all is not your fault.. It is not their fault either, it is just life.. sometimes it 'sucks'.. sometimes it pulls the very life out of you..

You have been here so many times, for all who would ask ,,, be well my friend..

just an after thought, as I did not give any usable info..

My nephew has started January with taking Milk Thistle complex with Dandelion and Turmeric, and he dropped 30 pounds .. seems less hungry and is more contented..

It is sold as a liver cleanse by Puritan Pride.. IT impressed him to go alternative.. I am sooo proud of him...    he is listening to me about BTD.. even if the long way around..

It took 20 years!!!! hahaha ..

All the best my BTD friend..  

I like this.. it once long ago changed my life... acceptance to life as it is..

Demandingness

is this irrational belief that you always deserve to be treated right.
Every problem in life is blamed on an unfair world.

This man or woman feels that they're special somehow and entitled to a break because they've always been a good parent, spouse, child or employee.

Solution

Understand;  In reality, the world operates quite independently from what you want or demand.

To say it another way

If you expect the world to treat you fairly is like expecting that a bull will not charge you, because you are a vegetarian.




Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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fine….but….
back to your adrenals: Your primary care doc will not know what to do. I told mine I had adrenal fatigue and he said he didn't believe in it. This is a very real diagnosis but is done by alternative medicine…..that said, Dr. Hyman, Dr. Diana Schwartzbein, etc. ("real" doctors) all treat it. You tested as "moderately adrenal fatigued"…that's serious enough. Your cortisol starts showing up at the wrong time of day (night) and its hard to get up in the morning….etc. etc…..
You can do your own research if you can't afford a holistic doc. Best of luck.
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25-OH vitamin D test; Calcidiol; 25-hydroxycholecalciferol test
According to MedLine these are all the same as Vitamin D 25-Hydroxy


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One other thought.  Years ago I complained to my doctor that I was feeling totally exhausted, couldn't put one foot in front of the other.  When she did blood tests, it came back that my calcium was WAY too high which is an indication of a parathyroid tumor usually.  There was a special test that I had to take where they had to immediately refrigerate the blood after taking it.  I had a parathyroidectomy (and a near total thyroidectomy) within a few weeks.  Calcium being that high is an indication of the tumor and it means that it is stealing calcium from your bones.  Probably not the reason at all for what you are going through but just one more thing that probably should be explored with a CBC.
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In my experience also--allopathic doctors do not understand adrenal function.

The gold standard test for adrenal function is the ASI--Adrenal Stress Index from DiagnosTechs.  It is a saliva test that charts adrenal and insulin function throughout the day.  Through their website you can locate a provider in your area to evaluate your results and treat you if necessary.  
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Ruthie, so sorry. I feel like I am the queen of fatigue--but really there are others who share my throne.
When I feel anxious about never being able to accomplish all that is asked of me, I take your advice and go to the Bach remedies. Hornbeam. It helps!

In my neck of the woods, Macelle Pick is the expert on adrenal fatigue. My gynecologist consulted with her when I complained of fatigue.  The ASI test, mentioned by susanC,  indicated some patterns of adrenal fatigue, and led to a trial of cortisol. No definitive Dx, but I am quite impressed with Marcelle Pick's work.
Eventually, I had a heart valve surgery, which I have been told will boost my energy level. I am still waiting to regain my pre-surgery level of energy.

The thyroid tests are T1, T3, T4.  --no idea if there is a T2.

http://www.womentowomen.com/?s=adrenal+fatigue




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You have described classic pre-menopausal/menopausal symptoms, IMO.
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You have described classic pre-menopausal/menopausal symptoms, IMO.
This was my suggestion a page or so back - I was just like that when I went through it
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Yes, menopause can be a beast sometimes!


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Ruthie, I have read only the first words of your first post, and I'd like to ask you also to take into account these days' overwhelming transformational energies all over Earth, that create especially hard times which aggravate any human experience, and add this to your consideration - of course in addition to all the physical beneficial measures you choose to take.

As usual, highly sensitive persons always react more pronouncely.


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Thanks, I'm a bit curious about it.  The contraindication and side effect profile has me a bit concerned.

Glad it is helping you.


Lloyd - one thing I will say is that I have been on and off of this supplement for the last two years.  I take it when I feel I need it.  I believe that I was feeling much better for about six months so I went off of it with no issues.  When I had some issues to deal with, I went back on it again.  If I miss a day, I don't feel badly.  The first time I took it, after about 2 weeks I had what I would consider a slow but noticeable decrease in negative thoughts.  Even if I had the negative thoughts, they did not affect me in the same way that they had before.  In other words, I was much better able to cope with the particular major stress in my life.

While we are all individuals, I am a big fan of Kavinace.  I feel it dramatically helped at a time when I needed it and I take it only when I need it.  When I forget to take it, I know I am needing it less!


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