Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register


Main Forum Page  ♦   Latest Posts  ♦   Member Center  ♦   Search  ♦   Archives   ♦   Help   ♦   Log In/Out   ♦   Admins
Forum Login
Login Name: Create a new account
Password:     Forgot password

BTD Forums    Lifestyle    Nonnie Clubhouse  ›  How Many Probiotics Should Nonnies Consume daily?
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 5 Guests

How Many Probiotics Should Nonnies Consume daily?  This thread currently has 460 views. Print Print Thread
1 Pages 1 Recommend Thread
Seraffa
Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 4:39pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Explorer!
Ee Dan
Posts: 2,493
Gender: Female
Location: Houston, TX
Age: 49
Personalized LIving magazine just prompted me to investigate how Adrenal Fatigue Syndrome alters number of good bacteria in the gut. I found through Dr. Kalish's webpage it goes 3 ways: stress and bad carbs and too many carbs altogether break down the gut and harbor bad bacteria.

As a Nonnie I've had to start with low doses of adrenal fatigue supplements and work my way up to a stronger dose if I'm knocked "off balance" - and I do see improvement. But what I am worried about too is the amount of weight I carry. i see other people enjoying BTD weight loss within a period of 6 months of steadily doing it, and wish I could, too.

I've noticed my body is still choosing to ingest a pretty good slug of yoghurt the day after I ingest my worst avoid - wheat. I've been thinking what it "feels like" for that avoid to be nagging me in the first place. If yogurt "after" the avoid is part of the cleanup damage -- why wouldn't probiotics BEFORE the "nagging urge" ward off the sickness to begin with?????

So probiotics vs. fermented foods kinda fluctuate back and forth in an A Explorer Nonnie SWAMI as far as being recommended. A's are encouraged to "small amounts of fermented foods" yet are not supposed to overdo on milk products because they are not a B. And personally my gut does not care and really enjoys my neutral yogurt for probiotics and black dot sour cream for missing amino acids!! Calories.....calories.....but then back to Dr. Kalish's warning: too many carbs, too much damage. Yogurt is one of those queer carbs that can also be a light protein.

...does anyone want to give me a clearer example of what probiotics and fermented foods have done for them, and what kind of balance they use between the two? I really appreciate all examples you can give. And I wish I could look inside myself with an x ray and see why I am not shedding any weight.


INFJ/ENFJ wings 3+4, Numerology: 1
Sun Pisc. Moon Capr. ASC Virg. N.Node Gem. S. Node Sagg.

Mortal life is a stay in a vast hospital ward. (Eastern Orthodoxy +)

Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential. (Churchill)

SWAMI-saved from bulimia!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message
Amazone I.
Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 7:03pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh+ GT 4...E/..INTJ ....prop.=non-taster..
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 16,421
Gender: Female
Location: CH-Benglen Kanton Z�rich
Age: 57
you also might add another mushie called Pleurotus ostreatus ... or justamente only *Bioflorin* ... and then come along and take notice of the info's  from Dr. D. that all bt's have different *actors inside our guts * ...


MIfHI K-174
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 1 - 17
Victoria
Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 10:12pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Nomad 56%
Sun Beh Nim
Moderator
Posts: 15,437
Gender: Female
Location: Oregon
Quoted from Seraffa
But what I am worried about too is the amount of weight I carry. i see other people enjoying BTD weight loss within a period of 6 months of steadily doing it, and wish I could, too.

I've noticed my body is still choosing to ingest a pretty good slug of yoghurt the day after I ingest my worst avoid - wheat.

And I wish I could look inside myself with an x ray and see why I am not shedding any weight.


It sounds like eating avoids is the answer to why you are not shedding weight.  Avoids do also prompt cravings for other foods that are not encouraged for us to eat, so it's an ongoing loop.



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
of some rare and perfect tomorrow.
~Mary Jean Irion
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 2 - 17
Possum
Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 10:24pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Explorer/Gatherer
Ee Dan
Posts: 5,416
Gender: Female
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Age: 53
They sure do eh?!
Logged Online
Private Message Private message Reply: 3 - 17
Spring
Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 11:45pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI Explorer
Ee Dan
Posts: 3,458
Gender: Female
Location: Southeastern USA
As usual, Victoria is right on! There is no way around it - you gotta behave!


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 4 - 17
Possum
Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 11:51pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Explorer/Gatherer
Ee Dan
Posts: 5,416
Gender: Female
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Age: 53
Quoted from Spring
As usual, Victoria is right on! There is no way around it - you gotta behave!
And well said Spring!!

Logged Online
Private Message Private message Reply: 5 - 17
Seraffa
Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:19am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Explorer!
Ee Dan
Posts: 2,493
Gender: Female
Location: Houston, TX
Age: 49
Quoted from Possum
And well said Spring!!



He he. Some chocolate, Possum?  


INFJ/ENFJ wings 3+4, Numerology: 1
Sun Pisc. Moon Capr. ASC Virg. N.Node Gem. S. Node Sagg.

Mortal life is a stay in a vast hospital ward. (Eastern Orthodoxy +)

Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential. (Churchill)

SWAMI-saved from bulimia!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 6 - 17
Seraffa
Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:25am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Explorer!
Ee Dan
Posts: 2,493
Gender: Female
Location: Houston, TX
Age: 49
Quoted from Amazone I.
you also might add another mushie called Pleurotus ostreatus ... or justamente only *Bioflorin* ... and then come along and take notice of the info's  from Dr. D. that all bt's have different *actors inside our guts * ...


The oyster mushroom is a black dot for me. *frown*


INFJ/ENFJ wings 3+4, Numerology: 1
Sun Pisc. Moon Capr. ASC Virg. N.Node Gem. S. Node Sagg.

Mortal life is a stay in a vast hospital ward. (Eastern Orthodoxy +)

Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential. (Churchill)

SWAMI-saved from bulimia!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 7 - 17
Possum
Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:30am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Explorer/Gatherer
Ee Dan
Posts: 5,416
Gender: Female
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Age: 53
Quoted from Seraffa
He he. Some chocolate, Possum?  
Yes please!!! A diamond for me

Logged Online
Private Message Private message Reply: 8 - 17
Seraffa
Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:35am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Explorer!
Ee Dan
Posts: 2,493
Gender: Female
Location: Houston, TX
Age: 49
Quoted from Victoria


It sounds like eating avoids is the answer to why you are not shedding weight.  Avoids do also prompt cravings for other foods that are not encouraged for us to eat, so it's an ongoing loop.


To me, it wouldn't seem so, because I don't eat them every day.I eat them when I'm sleep-deprived after the third day of lessening sleep....or if they are mixed into my food by mistake when I'm out in the world. I had to address my sleep deprivation recently.

It also took me uncovering the fact I have some kind of adrenal problem for YEARS to find out the root cause of my bulimia. Now with adrenal fatigue, adrenals, thyroid and possibly gonad are all somewhat out of balance and have to be re-set starting with the adrenals.

I'm thinking the more liberal use of probiotics could speed the gut healing that has to go hand in hand with adrenal fatigue. I'm trying to find out what the proper balance of probiotics and fermented foods would be. How many doses? for instance, Spring I think said in one thread long ago she takes them every day.

Past 2 months saw a dramatic shift for me away from cheese towards yogurt - meaning, body is asking for probiotics.

heck - it's either this or I've got my secretor status wrong - as was Goldie's case until recently!


INFJ/ENFJ wings 3+4, Numerology: 1
Sun Pisc. Moon Capr. ASC Virg. N.Node Gem. S. Node Sagg.

Mortal life is a stay in a vast hospital ward. (Eastern Orthodoxy +)

Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential. (Churchill)

SWAMI-saved from bulimia!

Revision History (1 edits)
Seraffa  -  Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:46am
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 9 - 17
ABJoe
Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:44am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

35% Nomad or Teacher - health history dependent
Sun Beh Nim
Moderator
Posts: 8,358
Gender: Male
Location: Orange County, CA, USA
Age: 51
Quoted from Seraffa
To me, it wouldn't seem so, because I don't eat them every day.I eat them when I'm sleep-deprived after the third day of lessening sleep....or if they are mixed into my food by mistake when I'm out in the world. I had to address my sleep deprivation recently.

It also took me uncovering the fact I have some kind of adrenal problem for YEARS to find out the root cause of my bulimia. Now with adrenal fatigue, adrenals, thyroid and possibly gonad are all somewhat out of balance and have to be re-set starting with the adrenals.

I'm thinking the more liberal use of probiotics could speed the gut healing that has to go hand in hand with adrenal fatigue. I'm trying to find out what the proper balance of probiotics and fermented foods would be. How many doses? for instance, Spring I think said in one thread long ago she takes them every day.

Past 2 months saw a dramatic shift for me away from cheese towards yogurt - meaning, body is asking for probiotics.

It sounds like a combination of things...

I know that I essentially stopped healing if I ate 1 avoid a week at the beginning.  The body just had so many things wrong that it couldn't take even a little avoid intake.

I also had to work through healing all of the body systems, so tackling the one demanding the most attention at the time was the only way I could do it.  Fortunately, I had a practitioner to guide me during the early going.


RH-, ISTJ
Wonderful Wife = A+ Teacher; Darling Daughter = A- SWAMI Explorer
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 10 - 17
Possum
Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:51am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Explorer/Gatherer
Ee Dan
Posts: 5,416
Gender: Female
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Age: 53
I agree ABJoe - I find there are sooo many possible avoids in bought food for us nonnies and they can take days to work out of your system (as I think you have stated?)
You seem to have to buy food most days you are out, so you may well have some level in your system a good percentage of the time?!
Seeing as sleep deprivation is also a big contributor to weight gain (&/or failure to lose)I think that would be a big area I'd focus on too? What *foods are you not getting, or activities are you engaging in prior to bed, that might be contributing to lowered levels of serotonin etc
Does craving yoghurt necessarily mean your body is recognising a need for probiotics? Or is it the right fats it is looking for? *Maybe a small amount of the right cheese &/or carbs prior to bed would help you sleep?
Logged Online
Private Message Private message Reply: 11 - 17
Seraffa
Monday, April 7, 2014, 5:41am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Explorer!
Ee Dan
Posts: 2,493
Gender: Female
Location: Houston, TX
Age: 49
Interesting....I'll copy and paste all that. thanks


INFJ/ENFJ wings 3+4, Numerology: 1
Sun Pisc. Moon Capr. ASC Virg. N.Node Gem. S. Node Sagg.

Mortal life is a stay in a vast hospital ward. (Eastern Orthodoxy +)

Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential. (Churchill)

SWAMI-saved from bulimia!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 12 - 17
Damon
Monday, April 7, 2014, 3:07pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Lewis(a-b-) Warrior 45%
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 188
Gender: Male
Prebiotics are more important than probiotics!

As long as your gut is a nice environment to the beneficial microflora they will stay and reproduce, and there's no need at all to consume any of them.
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 13 - 17
Averno
Monday, April 7, 2014, 5:32pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swami Warrior
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 1,188
Gender: Male
Location: Maryland
Quoted from Damon
Prebiotics are more important than probiotics!

As long as your gut is a nice environment to the beneficial microflora they will stay and reproduce, and there's no need at all to consume any of them.


Damon, is the nice environment you're referring to an already balanced microbiome? As a starting point, wouldn't it be best to both reduce the conditions that promote the overgrowth of non-beneficials, while assisting in the re-colonization of healthy bacteria? Try as we might, we can't always keep the bad guys in check with dutiful adherance to healthy eating.

Revision History (1 edits)
ABJoe  -  Monday, April 7, 2014, 5:40pm
Remove white space from bottom of post.
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 14 - 17
Spring
Monday, April 7, 2014, 5:46pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI Explorer
Ee Dan
Posts: 3,458
Gender: Female
Location: Southeastern USA
We have to retrain our thinking because our bodies depend on us to think for them! So I try to think like this: So I have lost a lot of sleep - what in the world would I be thinking to dump an outright avoid on my poor body when it is CRYING for support that I am turning a deaf ear to - maybe we need to concentrate on trying to LIKE our bodies more so we will take better care of them. No doubt about it, if we do that we will be doing ourselves a wonderful favor!

As for your question, this nonnie is taking two in the AM and two in the afternoon if I don't get busy and forget.


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 15 - 17
san j
Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 3:46am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Nomadess
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 4,502
Location: San Francisco, California, USA
17  


D'Adamo proponent since 1997
dadamo Blogger and Forum participant since 2005
Cyber-Newbie, as of 2004
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 16 - 17
aussielady582
Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 4:16am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Be kind to everyone; be persistent with health!
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 434
Gender: Female
Location: Sydney, N.S.W., Australia
Age: 52
Depending on the issues one is facing internally, sometimes a combination of probiotics and fermented foods may be a good idea.
Also, some deep intestinal cleansing may help, as I am currently doing again, before the probiotics are to begin, as they need a clean slate/healthy intestines first, which means detox/cleansing with herbs/clay/charcoal, and juices, raw foods to support the process.
The fermented saukraut/veggies also add fibre, very important for a lazy/sluggish weak bowel.
A multi strain probiotic may also add several different strains of beneficial bacteria and other ingredients to help the good bacteria flourish.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 17 - 17
1 Pages 1 Recommend Thread
Print Print Thread

BTD Forums    Lifestyle    Nonnie Clubhouse  ›  How Many Probiotics Should Nonnies Consume daily?

Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread