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Goldie
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Just venting...  

I was advised to see an oncologist, I went and forgot my films and reports... I returned home and retrieved them and hurried to the appointment...

This new to me Dr, greeted me, then told me he did not need to look (even at) the two films I took out to show him... Then, he proceeded to tell me why I should take a pill a day for 5 years to reduce estrogen...

Friendly, charming and willing to look at the cream I used for my nails (I forgot it at home also), but I could send him the list if ingredients. Nice enough...  Yet, He thought that any cream with Estrogen would have to be a prescription... He might be right, but he just dismissed, my believe, that it had estrogen something in it.  

Apparently, The only reason I 'needed' to see him, was to be prescribed a pill for 5 years that would possibly weaken my bones... and prevent estrogen being developed from my adrenals.  

A quick look at the breast, a suggestion of why I had a hard area after surgery, (he suggested it was blood)... I think it is from the radiation... but he will never hear that; to self - involved.  

No questions on what, why, when, where or whatever... He might have been told that I generally refuse any pills... but even that! does not explain the total lack of interest in who I am, and why I got there…. I was an item at a certain time that had to be dispensed with... He could have done all that in an email to me, or a 3 minute phone call... or by sending me the advertisement by the manufacturer as listed in any cheap female magazine... would have been just as effective.

Oh well.



Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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I'm sorry you had such a frustrating experience. If you REALLY needed this pill, I don't see why your PCP couldn't have prescribed it rather than having a visit to a specialist.

I strongly suggest that you do your own research about whether or not this drug is a good choice for you.


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You can bet I will read everything here first... then also listen to my advisors in Connecticut, when I go there next week...

I will also see The radiation specialist next week, and talk to him.

I will see my Internist GP on Friday and ask him about some questions about keeping hormones in check, as in eating foods that would not trigger at the least or prevent if possible.  Food I understand... and testing for hormones every once in a while also...

Oh yes, the other side effects is possibly hot flashes... I get them every 47 day and night for the lat 17 years, think I need more???  

I will do a bone density before embarking on this pill thing...

So right... anyone could have prescribed this pill even the pharmacist... or the dog catcher...

No discussion on food, no discussion on whatever else I could look at... I feel for woman who are ignorant and know nothing, they will never know what they do not know, or need to know, or should know...  

And this is supposed to be a good Doctor!!! I think he might be, but.................... He needs training for people that are on BTD, we are not ignorant, nor superficial humans, we care, we sacrifice, we chose..... Big difference here!!!!!  Grrrrr,,,.   


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Goldie, was your tumor estrogen receptive?  (which means that estrogen caused the cells to grow)



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Is he the only oncologist you can go to?  If not, keep looking.  I have seen three over the past 20 years and only one was really interested in me as a person.  He was also much more open to different treatment approaches and would discuss them with me.  If you see a naturopath, ask them which oncologists they are able to work with.
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Goldie, was your tumor estrogen receptive?  (which means that estrogen caused the cells to grow)


I PREsume so since he wishes me to reduce estrogen, But your Guess is as good as mine.. he was soooo fabulous explicit..  I am getting maddder as I think of him..

What if I was totally ignorent of whatever, and just followed his whatever??? Outrageous! I have not yet found the words to tell him that he has no manners, ... I feel like writing to the doctor who suggested him, advising him about it, with copy to the current doctor.. should shake him up a little: Don't you think?  

I would not actually have to send the letter to the referring Doctor, but at least make believe...


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Your doctor thinks you're under his spell. You need to convey to him that you have options.
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good comments above, getting second or third opinions could be of value.
Listen to your gut instincts and intuition as to what to believe or do, make sure it's in YOUR best interests, and not some pharmaceutical company or dr/surgeon.
I think there is too much emphasis on eostrogen, we all need balanced hormones and this depends on each person as genetic makeup varies with us all - even women need some testosterone don't we? I think many women get too much eostrogen, even through foods and plastics, and their liver and bowel can't gid rid of it all.
keep up the vegetables, Greens =  healing foods, even some raw juicing may help.
Proteins up too as per BTD and GT.
stress management and rest to help you with this process.
Dr's can mean well, but I do wish they would get some training in their 'bedside manner' and communication skills.  And I hope they are not drinking loads of coffee or sugars which can mean they don't think rationally, more vegetables for the doctors too - veggies creates balance in the whole physiology and intellect.
Please look after your precious bones - I now exercise first thing in morning in rising sun, as this is considered sattvic and immune building in Ayurvedic healing.
plus I rub peppermint oil (mixed in olive oil) over my bones/knees/hips during my self-massage to help with bone density.
Wholistic approach is best, not just targeting symptoms!

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Goldie, I have had so many horrendous experiences with doctors over many years, that I shall pick but one to tell you about, so that you know you are not alone.  And the following is nowhere NEAR the worst experience I've ever had with doctors, but it is illustrative of the dismissive dynamic you are discussing, so here goes:

In 2005, I went to a new primary care physician (PCP) because I had vertigo for the first time, which was terrifying, fyi, for anyone who has never experienced it.  I didn’t have a PCP at the time, and the first thing this one’s office did, when I called and told them that I had vertigo (which, imho, is a fairly urgent situation), was tell me that I couldn’t make an appointment about that for my first appointment, as your first appointment is only a history-taking/get-to-know-you affair.  I said, well, can’t we do both at once?  No.  Apparently, they have to be able to bill your insurance company for two visits, which in my opinion is all a huge racket, especially considering what I’m about to tell you, re how long her “history taking” was.  They told me to go to an urgent care facility or a hospital if I needed to see a doctor in the interim.  Yeah, I was really feelin’ the love already.

Anyway, so I finally get in there, for what I thought was just going to be giving her my history, as they had told me (I thought I'd have to come back a second time to actually get examined re the vertigo) and I was wanting to tell the doctor about my history, because actually I have an extremely complicated history in the area of ENT issues, and I thought it could definitely be pertinent to the vertigo.  So, the doctor comes in, I start to tell her about my history, and, I swear to you, I had MAYBE uttered all of two SYLLABLES, not even entire words, and she immediately proceeds to “SSSSSSSSH!” me and, I kid you not, wave her arms VIGOROUSLY in front of my face for emphasis.  She basically told me to shut up!!!!!!  Now, mind you, I am a pacifist.  I’m an INFJ and I detest conflict, want everyone to love me (yeah, good luck with that one, Peppermint) and want to get along with people.  That said, at that moment, I wanted to slap that beeeotch directly in her face and/or say “EXCUSE YOU:  How DARE you just ‘ssssssssshhhhhhhhh!’ me and wave your arms in my face?!  What the?  Did you really just do that?  Who does that?!  I'm afraid I'm going to have to kick your arrogant, condescending, dismissive and downright RUDE butt now, lady!!!”  But I was so shocked and awed, that I just sat there.  She then stuck her little otoscope in my ears, said “you have a double ear infection,” wrote me a prescription for what turned out to be really daft antibiotics to prescribe for it (she should have gone with amoxicillin, which is the standard of care for ear infections I found out later, but instead she prescribed this really EXPENSIVE stuff that can have some bad side effects, called azithromycin…but she may have had her reasons there, so I give her the benefit of the doubt on that one, I am just mentioning that bit of weirdness because perhaps it adds to the whole).  Now, perhaps the antibiotics were a good thing to prescribe for the ear infection, but she should have known they won’t do squat for vertigo.  The ear infection may indeed have caused it, but once your ear crystals get into the wrong part of your ear canal/labyrinth, you need treatment for the vertigo, not just a script for antibiotics.  She didn't do anything but sssshhhh me, wave her arms in my face, and prescribe antibiotics.  However, in my case, the vertigo cleared up by itself--our bodies are amazing and our brains quickly learn to adjust to the new ear crystal location sitch, in many cases--but not permanently.  It came back in 2011, as once you get benign positional proximal vertigo [BPPV], you are then prone to it returning, but in 2011, I didn’t mess around because I had something else going on at the same time (pulsatile tinnitus, which I still have, but less intensely) which I thought could be related and I concluded that I had a brain tumor or aneurysm or something, so I went to a good ENT, he did some tests and examined me, and confirmed that the BPPV is the type of vertigo I had—the type caused by out-of-place ear crystals/otoconia (thank God, not a brain tumor!)—and he sent me to a place that specializes in actually treating that, which they did.  It has not come back, but it could some day and I know where to go if it does.

I could go into so many worse examples of what I’ve been through with doctors over the years than that surrealistically rude and dismissive PCP shushing me the way she did, yet I think it perfectly captures the dynamic, the arrogance, the condescension, the assembly-line nature, the dismissiveness, of some (many) doctors and which is built into our health care system itself.  THAT is why I don’t even go to doctors if I can possibly avoid it, which is a shame, as one really should get a check-up every year, for example.  I told myself after having vertigo in 2005 and not having a doctor already who I could immediately go to, that from then on, as long as I had health insurance, I would always have a PCP and at least get a check-up once per year.  However, since then, I’ve had yet another BAD PCP and I am just totally disgusted and avoid the health care system whenever possible.  If it ain’t broke, I don’t fix it.  If it is broke, God help me, I probably won’t find out ‘til it’s too late.

P.S.  edited to add:  wow, it is coming back to me now--I must have blocked it out *lol*--that I did recover enough from my shock and awe at her initial ssssshhhhhing and arm waving to try AGAIN to impart to her that I have a complicated history that could be relevant, but AGAIN she did her ssshhhing and arm waving combo.  It's bad enough all on its own, but when you factor in that that appointment was described to me beforehand by her office staff as an in-depth history taking and getting to know the patient visit, and that it was no doubt coded as such and billed to the insurance company as such, it is even more infuriating!  I mean, she did not even merely not listen to a word I said, she didn't LET me say a word, period!  She came in, peered in my ears, announced the presence of a double ear infection, prescribed antibiotics, and left.  I felt like saying (yet she wouldn't have let me talk anyway *lol*:  "Thanks for the cameo, rude one.  This could be the start of a beautiful relationship (NOT!), as clearly you are very thorough (not) and all about treating the whole patient and, most of all, what I really value, having a collaborative relationship."  <---*extreme sarcasm, you wouldn't know collaboration if it waved its arms at you to announce itself!*


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Hahahaha... so much like your old post’s, you have me in stitches.   I can see the whole scene.

At the time you had the vertigo, I would have told you that there is a way to fix the ear thing... my mom had it once... glad you got it fixed.

Then again darling Friend for Decades...  PT.. Please get your annual mammograms, the one I took after many years was just in time, when I look at my film, it is astounding to see how they found what would have been a bad situation.  An overlying cist saved my life.  Without it I had been playing Russian Roulette.

I went to my reg. fav. Doctor today and feel better, he knows I will do the research and then decide; I will ask questions and will decide, after all the facts are available to me...

I saw on magazine in the waiting room about the price of some meds for cancer care.... for people who are to sick already, incurable, yet the advantage of taking some pill might prolong the life for 42 days.. What a crazy idea.  If it is my time to go, so be it - I will travel to Israel and then deal with what comes.  They/some can not see the forest for the trees.

As for now I am going to investigate what foods might cause Estrogen build up.  I am happy the 'hormone' face cream (I used for three month on my nails) is not on the do not use list... My nails are so nice growing again and not breaking, that which is just as important as is all else. Ha-ha-ah ... Some priorities! Ha-ha

I was supported by my doctor -that going on low carb foods is good for my diabetes... I am on something new diet... (same old) but a few differences.  5 days on low carb, then after dinner all the craving foods I want for one evening.  Then back to low carb for 5 full days.  Love it.  What is new to me is low carb to 30... .  But for me that seems doable...

I think the suggestion of green juices might be in order... right on Peppermint T... I just wish I could fin organic dandelions... Maybe I will build a bed for next year and grow my own.  What life is coming to.

For today... stay well, no worry, no hurry, and exercising in the am is goooood for you!  

Magazine story line:   New York,  October 25? Edition. Out this week!!!. The Cancer Drug Racket.. 750 000 for 42 extra days.. worth the read.  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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will read this thread again when time allows, thankyou for sharing Peppermint Twist. I lived in USA for a time and also had negative experiences whilst there with some PCP's, and insurance companies.  Have had bad experiences here too, so I think we all need to be our own 'doctor'/healer, do reading/research, listen to other people's experiences, pay attention to our lifestyles/nutrition. wishing you all well!
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aussilady582...well spoken... this are also my thoughts ... we all need to take *full power of atorney* about our own lifes... nobody should be given any blame if we don't go for our own options then... but first we need to integrate our *shadown* or better said becomeing aware about those.. that we don't act of free will but are conducted all of our so called *persona*.....


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thanks Amazone I., sometimes it takes experiences to learn from, lifestyles harming us to an extent, people trying to do too much every day, not enough sleep/rest, chasing after too much, accumulating material possessions, working and eating irregular hours.  just need to slow down and chill out now, and ladies, we can't be superwoman all the time, just leave the dishes in the sink, and living room messy sometimes, I do and don't care, health/vitality crucial now.
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Hahahaha... so much like your old post’s, you have me in stitches.   I can see the whole scene.

At the time you had the vertigo, I would have told you that there is a way to fix the ear thing... my mom had it once... glad you got it fixed.

Wow, what weird timing that I'm seeing this post today, after not returning to the board for a while.  Unfortunately, my vertigo came back yesterday.     I need it right now like a hole in the head, but I'm trying not to feel sorry for myself, because, hey, the word "benign" is in the name for a reason (benign paroxysmal positional vertigo--BPPV for short), and if it doesn't go away by itself, I'll simply have to go back for a re-evaluation and second round of treatment.  It is not uncommon for it to come back.  I've had a few very mild, fleeting bits of it since the treatment in 2011, but yesterday it really came back.  I'm hoping it will clear up on its own.  I've been bending forward a lot lately, trying to clean my floors with Magic Erasers (!  don't ask   ) and I think that motion/position has moved my otoconia (ear crystals) back into a "bad" part of the ear canal, where they cause vertigo.  It stands to reason, if maneuvers can relocate them to a place where they don't cause vertigo, moving around the wrong way can move them back.  I got it once before  after doing that same floor!  I can't remember if that was the 2011 time or if it was after that, but it must have been that time, as I really haven't had it return like this since the treatment--today is better than yesterday, though, so hopefully, I won't need to go back for more treatment, as I am insanely busy right now!  I'm trying to sell my dang house.  Enough said there.  Vertigo, be gone!
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Then again darling Friend for Decades...  PT.. Please get your annual mammograms, the one I took after many years was just in time, when I look at my film, it is astounding to see how they found what would have been a bad situation.  An overlying cist saved my life.  Without it I had been playing Russian Roulette.

I just had a five-month long roofing saga, and I kept saying "after the roof" I would schedule a bunch of medical appts.  But now I'm trying to sell my house, plus we are at the end of the year, so why get any deductibles going:  so now I'm saying "after the first of the year...and the house."
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I went to my reg. fav. Doctor today and feel better, he knows I will do the research and then decide; I will ask questions and will decide, after all the facts are available to me...

I don't have a reg. doctor, fave or otherwise--the ones (primary cares) I have gone to have all rhymes-with-DUCKED.  Phoooey.  But, that said, it is muy stupid that I don't have an active file with any primary care.  When you need to go, you kick yourself when you don't have one.  I mean, speaking of the vertigo, that is the sitch I found myself in, in 2005, when I first got it and was scared to death.  Muy stupido.

I swore after that, that I'd always have a primary care doc, as long as I had insurance.  But here I am, doc-less again.  Some people never learn.


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will read this thread again when time allows, thankyou for sharing Peppermint Twist. I lived in USA for a time and also had negative experiences whilst there with some PCP's, and insurance companies.  Have had bad experiences here too, so I think we all need to be our own 'doctor'/healer, do reading/research, listen to other people's experiences, pay attention to our lifestyles/nutrition. wishing you all well!

I love my country, but it is the WORST for health care, unless you have $$$$$$$, in which case, it is the best...or if you are TOTALLY indigent (utterly poor), then you can get some care.  But if you are like millions of Americans with no insurance, you are rhymes-with-glued, and even if you HAVE insurance, they will find a way to get out of paying pretty much most stuff, and you could--and many people do--still end up bankrupt.  We need a single-payer, nationalized health care system (a "Medicare for All" system).  Obamacare is NOT that, it is codifying into law the hegemony of the private insurance industry.  I'll stop there, as I don't want to wax too political.  I have passionate views on this subject.

Anyway, can we all agree and stipulate to the fact that the vast majority of primary care physicians in America seem to have to take an intensive courseload of "Arrogance and Condescension 101" and "Dismissiveness:  the Art of Getting the Heck Out of the Exam Room in 10 Seconds or Less".

What?  You know it's true.



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thanks Amazone I., sometimes it takes experiences to learn from, lifestyles harming us to an extent, people trying to do too much every day, not enough sleep/rest, chasing after too much, accumulating material possessions, working and eating irregular hours.  just need to slow down and chill out now, and ladies, we can't be superwoman all the time, just leave the dishes in the sink, and living room messy sometimes, I do and don't care, health/vitality crucial now.

That is EXACTLY the message I believe my body was trying to send me yesterday via the vertigo's return.  I have been trying to do way too much--working full-time, killing myself trying to get the house clean (see, no good can come from cleaning, let this be a cautionary tale, peeps!  Seriously, like I said, I think the bending forward so much moved my ear crystals), putting it up for sale, trying to figure out where to live, dealing with craziness and a huge, crushing workload at the aforementioned job, trying to help my aging mom:  stop the madness.  Last night, I just came to a crashing stop.  Oh, but before I get to that, I should add that I haven't been able to sleep for ages due to being so keyed up about putting my house on the market, my job, my mom, etc., and I had to travel on a one-day, daft business trip to Orlando this Monday and I was FORCED to ingest mystery avoids in a salad dressing (seriously, I tried to insist on bringing on my own trail mix, but I was told, quote "Yvonne is INSISTING that you order something."  Well, next time, I shall tell Yvonne that she can insist all she wants, I'm not ingesting anything I don't want to ingest, and if you don't like it, you can speak to my lawyer re a HARRASSMENT SUIT.  Whaaat?  YES.  But anyway, so I ordered a chicken caesar with no croutons, and it came with some weird, wheat tortilla/pita point thing right ON top of the salad, which I picked off, and with some sort of "gluten-free" (God help us--that is like "fat-free":  code language for FULL OF GMO, artificial wackadooness) caesar dressing.  The chicken wasn't even chicken, it was some sort of white, thin luncheon meat that may once have been part of mutiple turkeys, but has since had every speck of chi that ever flowed through it processed right out.  Anyway, seriously, I don't know what was in that dressing, but it (and I'd wager we are talking HFCS, cornstarch and other baddies), combined with the stress I've been under, combined with the time of the month, combined with all the bending forward to CLEAN that I've been doing, resulted in not only vertigo but in me ALMOST eating some pizza at a potluck at work, which I'm NEVER tempted to do, but yesterday I would have done it, if this annoying (yet I'm grateful now) co-worker on that "Wheat Belly" bandwagon hadn't literally gotten between me and it, telling me, you can't do it, don't do it, blah blah blah.  I was like, get out of my way, my addiction has been TRIGGERED for the first time in years by a bad load of gluten-free dressing and a whole lotta STRESS, my hormones are RAGING, that pizza is CALLING me, and p.s., you eat every piece of cake that comes your way, so don't look askance at me the ONE time I want to ingest wheat in, like, at LEAST five years!  Well, she stopped me, ...or, she was part of it:  I was planning to go BACK to the scene of the crime and get me some ZZZAAA after she went back to her office, but in the Ladies' Room just before doing so, I had the vertigo episode.  And it snapped me to my senses re:  Edna, the LAST thing you need to do right now is eat wheat.  Do you WANT to inflame your ear canals, your upper-respiratory system, and every system in your body?  Do you WANT to run yourself down even MORE than you are, clearly, at this very second, just when you need to gear up to pack and move and sell and rent and hunt and peck and search and close and Goddess only knows what?  I think NOT!  Back into your cage, Carb Monsta!  Get back!  The whip is OUT!

I didn't have the pizza.  And I went straight to the store to get a bunch of healthy fare/chi after work.  And then I did NOT clean and I did NOT go on the internet to look at rental houses and I did NOT do ANYTHING but sit in a chair and remember what this great doctor of audiology had told me in 2011 after my vertigo treatment, when I promptly had driven home and intentionally "tested" the treatment by flopping onto the bed and rolling to my left, which instantly brought on a violent episode of vertigo, so I called the place, they told me to come right back, they couldn't replicate it (thank God), and he told me this:  Edna, when I said "you can do anything that you normally do", I didn't mean to immediately go home and take a "test drive" like that, because right now your ear crystals are shaken up like the snow in a snowglobe.  You have to let the snow settle down."

So last night, my priority was letting the snow in the snowglobe settle down.  Not moving, not planning for moving, not cleaning, not frantically sweeping every leaf off the sidewalk, not doing ANYTHING (after a very busy, full day at work, working on an insane project which, mercifully, I finished today) other than stopping at the grocery store.  I didn't eat a regular dinner, I just had pineapple (an ENTIRE cored one, if you must know) and some chilled green tea.  I "listened" to television, to the local election coverage and, I must admit, to my soap opera "on demand" (love that feature), with my eyes closed.  Then I went to bed early and the weather was very cooperative, with a lovely, warm cross-breeze in the room that helped me oxygenate, detox and REST.

I'm much better today, but I couldn't agree with you more that someones you just have to STOP and realize that you aren't super human.  It may well be true that you need to be doing this and/or that, but sometimes, you can't.  The "For Sale" sign went up in my yard yesterday while I was at work.  There were some leaves on top and I tried to brush them off, which meant I had to tip my head back just slightly and look up:  instant VERTIGO, resulting in me almost falling and staggering sideways like a drunk person.  At that moment, I was like:  Edna, go inside.  Do not pass go, do not collect $200.00.  If there is a leaf on the dang sign, there is.  I did walk the dog and that was it.

We are all HUMAN and we can't do all these things in our lives, or take care of those we love, if we don't acknowledge our limits and take care of ourselves first.  Sometimes, you just have to STOP...and give yourself a few hours off, some highly beneficial/superfood food, maybe some tea, maybe a soap opera, and get some SLEEP.


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P.S.  Final thought on something:  I think another thing that might have potentiated my vertigo's return (although I think it is mainly from all the bending forward I've been doing of late) is that this WEIRD couple I hired to do some cleaning for me sprayed this HORRENDOUS oven cleaner in my oven, and, I'm serious, I thought I was going to have to move me and the pets outta there that first night and into a hotel (and, p.s., it didn't get the oven floor one speck cleaner than it was).  Whatever was in that stuff could EASILY move your ear crystals out of their proper canals and into outer space.  NEVER use oven cleaner!  It is the most toxic stuff on the planet!


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Good luck, Goldie! Friends here have much wisdom. And some have the wisdom of experience.


And, Twisty.....I'll say it again: Yup...

We need a single-payer, nationalized health care system (a "Medicare for All" system).  

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Peppermint.... Try this with someone helping yu.. sitting on the end of a bed and letting yourself fall backward two or three times ... the trick is to do it fast.. that is where the inner ear bones will re-assemble..

this where you may need help.. but anyone can do it on a bench making sure you do not hit the head or back..  


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better to use thermography instead of any other rays ... those also do trigger... thatswhy even the docs commented it here NOT to overdo in checking and re-checking cancer patients with any mamograms nor other x-rays....
and it is still NOT sure nor proven that those won't harm your breasts!!!
Good luck anybody .....


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Quoted from Amazone I.
better to use thermography instead of any other rays ... those also do trigger... thatswhy even the docs commented it here NOT to overdo in checking and re-checking cancer patients with any mamograms nor other x-rays....
and it is still NOT sure nor proven that those won't harm your breasts!!!
Good luck anybody .....


My wife gets these now. We're much more confident in the results as well, although her doctor remains skeptical of this being a better approach. Way too casual about radiation overload IMO.

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Most insurance co.'s in the USA won't cover thermography.  It is too safe and makes too much sense to do, apparently.  


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I usually scrub floors with my feet. Take off socks and use the feet instead of the hands for scrubbing. It uses different muscles and there's no bending over involved. If I DO bend over, I get down on my hand and knees; I don't just bend forward at the waist.


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