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cindyt
Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 5:12am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I started progesterone cream post-menopause.  I had no side effects, but began to feel stronger again.  I had the urine test, the name of which escapes me right now, before and after starting it, and went from above normal bone loss to below normal bone loss.  My Mom started using it after breaking four or five bones, including a hip, due to osteoporosis and that was the end of her breaking bones.  obviously in our family it's a good thing to use.

For anyone interested in using it, I recommend reading Dr. Lee's books.

Soon after I completed breast cancer treatment 24 years ago, I found an article in a medical journal saying that being progesterone receptor positive was a good thing, not a bad thing, that it seemed to be protective.  By now there are probably many more studies.

I do recommend getting it prescribed by either an M.D. or a naturopath.  Usually compounding pharmacies can give you names of doctors who are open to prescribing it.
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I will see my oncologist the end of the month.. I will take the email dicussion here with me and ask him about it and report nack..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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I had breast cancer in 1989, lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (standard back then even for stage 1).  The tumor was slightly estrogen receptor positive and much more progesterone receptor positive.  At the suggestion of my naturopath, and after having read Dr. Lee's work, I started using bioidentical progesterone cream in 1996.  I get it from a compounding pharmacy and use a very low dose twice a day.  I have not had a recurrence, and it will be 14 years in December, with 17 of those using progesterone cream.  YMMV as they say.


I think you meant 24 years, not 14? I was perplexed how you could have 14 years of no problems, 17 of them with the cream. I figured you meant 7 with the cream, until I realized that it's been 24 years since 1989. Jeepers- that means my baby cousin is turning 24 in about a month!


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Thats great Cindyt. What is progesterone receptor positive?



This should answer your question, Tami


When a sample of your breast cancer is examined under a microscope, here's what the pathologist looks for:

Some breast cancers are sensitive to your body's naturally occurring female hormones — estrogen and progesterone. The breast cancer cells have receptors on the outside of their walls that can catch specific hormones that circulate through your body. Knowing your breast cancer is sensitive to hormones gives your doctor a better idea of how best to treat the cancer or prevent cancer from recurring.

Hormone status of breast cancers includes:

Estrogen receptor (ER) positive. This type of breast cancer is sensitive to estrogen.
Progesterone receptor (PR) positive. This type of breast cancer is sensitive to progesterone.
Hormone receptor (HR) negative. This type of cancer doesn't have hormone receptors, so it won't be affected by treatments aimed at blocking hormones in the body.
With ER positive or PR positive breast cancer, hormone-blocking medications, such as tamoxifen, may be an option to slow the cancer's growth. HR negative cancers don't respond to hormone-based therapy.

What is the genetic makeup of your breast cancer cells?

Doctors are just beginning to understand how the individual DNA changes within cancer cells might one day be used to determine treatment options. A cell's DNA is full of instructions (genes) that tell it how to behave. By analyzing the genes, doctors hope to find ways to target specific aspects of the cancer cells to kill them.

Laboratory testing can reveal certain genes in your cancer cells, such as:

HER-2 gene. Cancer cells that have too many copies of the HER-2 gene produce too much of the growth-promoting protein called HER-2. Medications are available to shut down the HER-2 protein, thus slowing the growth and killing these cancer cells.
Other genes. Researchers are studying ways to interpret the genetic makeup of tumor cells. Doctors hope this information can be used to predict which cancers will spread and which may need aggressive treatments. That way, women with relatively low-risk breast cancers may avoid aggressive treatments. Tests that analyze the genetic makeup of breast cancers are available, but aren't recommended in all situations. Ask your doctor whether this type of test might be helpful in your case.
Using genetic information about cancer, doctors are now able to categorize breast cancers into groups. Categorizing cancers based on their genetic makeup helps guide decisions about which treatments are best. Breast cancer groups include:

Group 1 (luminal A). This group includes tumors that are ER positive and PR positive, but negative for HER-2. Luminal A breast cancers are likely to benefit from hormone therapy and may also benefit from chemotherapy.
Group 2 (luminal B). This type includes tumors that are ER positive, PR negative and HER-2 positive. Luminal B breast cancers are likely to benefit from chemotherapy and may benefit from hormone therapy and treatment targeted to HER-2.
Group 3 (HER-2 positive). This type includes tumors that are ER negative and PR negative, but HER-2 positive. HER-2 breast cancers are likely to benefit from chemotherapy and treatment targeted to HER-2.
Group 4 (basal-like). This type, which is also called triple-negative breast cancer, includes tumors that are ER negative, PR negative and HER-2 negative. Basal-like breast cancers are likely to benefit from chemotherapy.



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Goldie,
I'm so happy for you that everything turned out so well and that you are feeling well.  Looking forward to hearing what Dr. D recommends for you too.
Jane
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Very informative.


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Tami I will take to the doctors ..

Thanks for all well wishers..



Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Tami
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Thats the best plan (:

I like that we can share, and still ask our doctors. If they tell me no, I always ask for their resoning and do my own research and asking about the issues (my issue wasnt cancer). Ive had tragic things happen because a doctor didnt do the right things (in my opinion), so when things make so much sense to me, and they tell me no, I make sure that they are not wrong.


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I still have more testing to complete my swami
I'm cooking for all 4 types, and my work is cut out in the mom cave. Our blood types are as follows AB+ (me), O-, A+ (x2 adult children), B+(2 year old).
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sorry must correct... until now we don't have a true medication leading to apoptose of ca- cells... ... but in the natural envirenements... ther's something great called salvestroles, who does exactly what all chemos do promote but none of those ever were able to come along with truth!
Dito the herceptin blas and whatever... all fake...all fake... and it is also known that nearly all studies were faked as well!
I'm ready today to come along in big quarrels with all those liars and quacks and whatever... it is not us the one who are cheating... it's biig pharma who earns milliards of US dollars with the health of women!!!

And what else... the whole public nearly believes all they got served by those... ha-ha-haa! That nearly drives me nuts, dito how things were faked and turned into the direction of helping etc... sorry all dearles... I was convinced that those docs called oncologues... I alsways call them.... doesn't matter ...
also made the edict of no harms to anybody... but they do nothing else in the name of money to enrich themselfs...and nothing else!

When I observe here those with 5-10 peeps daily receiving any chemical treatment
x6 days a week... one treatment is about between 20 and 120'000 swiss Francs, so please don't hurry in understanding why they need to kill you!  This became a sort of system and sorry this is truth as also once mentioned and prooved by the so called *health ranger Mike Adams* and he knew why he left USA to come along with truth and stories written from victims....and hey... aren't you awaking with those
situations since when do you give up your own life and will follow mortal advices...
Ok.. we need to talk also about psyche patterns here... if not nothing can be understood by those criminals working with our fears and manipulating peeps until they're going to give up their own responsability for their own lifes...dito do we need to talk about society which still is not able to make  a choice for life instead against life!
Chloe, sorry to interrupt your beautiful speech, but here I am totally contra...coz once understood how our metabolisme work and how life energy is working on and in our bodies... sorry sorry here the thema is different and genes are driven by our brains and also by external issues...it is all about electricity, energies and matrix reg. and also about fragmental thoughts of the so called allopathic medicine...
as long those give a try to close up a living system... by whatever they try to sell us for truth and verity in so called *beliefsystem of a- and pre-sumptions*
sorry here big danger is to be expected...

and your last sentence is nearly the hell for my opinion.... how blind can someone be !!!!

This isn't meant to whatever....blaming,hurtung bla-bla-bla... but I must admit that
my education of quantum phyics never ever will correlate with murder! nor will I ever admit any situation to make money of the
purpose of my clients in a sort of explotation what is the case of allopathic docs.
My moto ever will be: la chaim! and welcome truth and no lies!
Thus helped  a lot of my clients to survive in communications...all those were told:  ok some weeks...months to live... I can tell you today that nearly all of those survived... but not my own compagnon coz his choice for chemoth. was asking for his life last year !


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salvestroles  I am looking at learning from your posts.. Thanks..

http://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=3205    is a good read about what Amazone is talking about..

Amazone.. am I understanding that it is about food?? not a supplement.. Food ??

If it is food then it makes all the sense.. there are some foods that are allowed for all types.. easy to incorporate.  I do eliminate all the fruits always first, since I feel better with proteins.. but then I could easy add some extra fruits and vegetables in place of other foods.

I am trying to eat mushrooms, onions and asparagus on purpose once a week or more.  

I am on a (again) New Low Carb diet (under30) and indulge in a carb evening every 5th day, and I can add those things, all are low carb.  On the carb days I could add all the other stuff I miss and still make a smoothy with all the lovely's like a banana.  I have alway had difficulty on the 5th day of any diet, this one combines many features I can do.. like the carb night on the 5th day.. Time will tell..

At the very least so far I was able to reduce the diabetes numbers by 30 points.. that is at least something.

The good thing is that I could eat the foods as suggested in the website above..

Amazone is there any better reading? --- It is time I returned to all the rainbow foods listed in my SWAMI...          


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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Goldie, I think all about O'foods is retained in the little booklet of Dr. D's anticancer fights ... but also can be seen and admitted with a part of the Dr. Budwig diet...and all about supps... all was mentioned here dito the the Dr. D's booklet for O's (and of course for all the other bt's
btw.. I think banana's are a true no-go for all nonnies in glycemic index thoughts ...

what do you mean please with a *better reading* ... I know that my *ingggglish is still as bad as all about my very earliest beginnings on those *wholy boards* ...


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