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So right about 'fasting' making me less hungry..  

I used to be that way when younger/ before diabetes/ now that is near impossible- unless I am really occupied- retirement is not- so thinking of food is on all day thing.

Then as for 4 meals .. Yes! but all together they are the size of what used to be one meal!!! does not work to feel satisfied.

Being hungry is a royal pain.. even the idea and possibly fear of getting to be hungry is annoying!

So for at least the Gatherers or the O's who do not get enough oil in the first place, me, try this oil thing.. it stilled the craving within minutes.  Then if I stick to it - still a decision to be overcome- then I am ok for at least the one hour on either side!

Good luck to us all.. hunger is not something to be acceptable, nor to be misunderstood, it is a big bother and full of unhappiness, especially when I am in some kind of pain from headache, or other wise...  


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Goldie,
you are so right on many points, especially the fear of being hungry. It is in fact almost worse than the hunger. I definately get enough fat, carbs are VERY low due to keeping diabetes from rearing it's ugly head and protein is moderate. I've tried all macro combos and nothing satisfies for long. I fear eating because it can lead to ravenous hunger which is worse. For me though, it does seem the larger the meal the more hunger it creates and by larger, I by no means mean large. Whatever are we to do?
I have also found that raising my insulin, even though my blood sugar is normal creates ravenous hunger which is why I leave at least 3.5 hours between meals but I still have to watch the clock because my 1st meal is around 9, not leaving much room for error to get all 4 in and if I don't get all 4 in, you are right, it's like one meal split into 3 as my portions are quite small, 1..5-2 oz protein and a handful of veggies with some added fat. Maybe I'll try the oil if I have to because protein raises insulin almost as much as carbs and fat the least. I think the small meals keep my insulin low and that is more important than low BS. Again, high insulin or raising it often makes me feel awful


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BTW, the 4 small meals do not satisfy in the 'normal' way but really satisfy in the way that they do not create hunger and that is ubber important to me! I also am not hungry with them, I'm just not anything, hungry, full, stuffed, unbalanced etc and that is where I NEED to be. Food often makes me feel unbalanced, like a surge of insulin and I will do or eat anyway I can to avoid that! It's just hard when around others only eating a few bites when I really want two plate fulls!


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It's just hard when around others only eating a few bites when I really want two plate fulls!


Mother.. you are so right.. I mean a plate of pasta the way other eat -- I would jmp over Mt Everest..  

You are O, so why not try the oil when you feel out of control.  Test it and see. The freedom to decide might make the rest of the day easier..

For instance this morning I was off (time changes make nuts) ..

Then I decided that I needed to wait 2 hours for real food as I was going to meet someone for breakfast.  The morning oil worked, but breakfast by 10 was avoid!! and then I was off and running in the wrong direction...and had I forgotton the oil at home... by noon I was eating avoids and all afternoon the same. NO control at all.

Finally now 9 pm I was still looking for all that I could find to eat----until I made my decision to forgo all foods and instead do a spoon of oil and water..

Now 10 minutes later I am going to watch some tv and then go to sleep. All is expected to be OK!!!


Update: on the late night (snack) the oil worked fine I was up fir hours --- Had no need to snack!  All is well this morning too.


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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Keeping it in the back of my mind is a great idea. I always have oil in my purse but it's EVOO, which is still better than none. I'll give it a try when I NEED to. Thanks. Is it a tablespoon?

I know how a slip up or off timing can be horrid and wrecks the rest of the day! Too hungry and gorge... Don't get the timing right...all is messed up. This is no way to live. EVERYDAY is different too. Some days I'm not hungry and some always hungry, even with the same foods. Fortunately I know the foods that cause hunger but if the PROPORTIONS of the foods are wrong, look out. That's where everyday is different..Hmmm


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getting enough of affections would perhaps solve the problem as well .....


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I know how a slip up or off timing can be horrid and wrecks the rest of the day! Too hungry and gorge... Don't get the timing right...all is messed up. This is no way to live. EVERYDAY is different too. Some days I'm not hungry and some always hungry, even with the same foods. Fortunately I know the foods that cause hunger but if the PROPORTIONS of the foods are wrong, look out. That's where everyday is different..Hmmm


I am so with you.. I use light olive, .. just be sure its clean and does not have grapseed oil added.

I use the oil because I can have it as a Diamond.. I could have other oils as well, but since I hardly any oils (unless in mayo or avoid salad dressing.. Olive is easy to buy and tasteless on my tongue while waiting for the water to poor into the cup..

The discussion about unbearable hunger.. no matter the origin of the feeling, it is misery and while I like the idea of less soda, it is not the answer.. maybe on open and real conversation about this out of uncontrollable feeling would be much more effective.  Punitive suggestions are punishment that just adds to the problem.

If this Tasteless Oil-theory works for some of us, to quiet the mind and nerve connection from the stomach to the brain, then millions might be helped.
At least those who feel miserable owe it to themselves to try it~~~~~ even though we still have to make the decisionto forgo other food for 1 hour on each side.  

This decision is not a given.  First I have to remember it  The body brain has a way of forgetting what it is against.  Putting up a paper saying: take oil! might help to remember... It is not that I wish to forget, but the body has its own ideas of what is good for 'it'.  and it has a mind of its own on how it pressures me to get it at all cost.  It does not care about diabetes, it is a companion of ill will.  Like that of a gambler, who just can not 'go there'.  


I am waiting to see how A person might be doing with sugar as mentioned in the book as well. For those who can not take oil, this might be a alternative option. on option that affords to still be eating BTD.. which is always my safety net.  
    


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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getting enough of affections would perhaps solve the problem as well  .....


Not... no ... nein... what would happen to those who are like me, I would just add a codependency addition to the hunger pangs felt in my belly.

I stress above how the feeling of out of control is real.. the only time I experienced the same was when I took hormones.  

Could there be a hormone stimulating 'something molecular' in the oil?  I have no idea.  But for now and for me it works, even without a person to be with. in fact I am living very isolated for several weeks, so that is not the solution.  

Would a new lover add potency to my remaining hormones, you bet it would,  at the very least I would build up muscles where right now I do not build any.   

The loss of muscles as I age is making the amount I can eat much less then ever.

Isa I know you where laughing...I am loughing with you (send that tall handsome smart guy.. I will test him out as a diet aid)  .. and ..

but I beg all ... do not judge, live in my skin for a day or two.. hear the pain..   When I am not a victim of misery, then I am loving life and live it fully.   ... so mail that guy ....


Mother.. I do teaspoons.. I do not know why.. I am getting the book soon so will tell you more about it..    


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Goldieshatzala..  I will do so ...give me a pic. about your preferences ....  but as I once mentioned as well...for muscle loss and against  hunger-attacs  my experiences with MAP here are nothing but amazing !!!


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Goldie,
Perhaps you NEED MUCH more fat if you hardly use it but when you do it helps! I have to eat more fat than protein or carbs or I would be ravenous out of my skin. Maybe try switching fat for sugar and see, or have you already tried it? If sugar/carbs send you on a rollercoaster and oil tames you, this might be a ticket for you. I LOVE my mayo and eat it with every meal in some quantity or another. IF I didn't use oils, I'd be a goner


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Sugar cravings?  OMG - Amino's work wonders!  I'm taking Tyrosine, DL-Phenylalanine and L-Glutamine.  I got my dosages worked out by reading The Diet Cure and The Mood Cure.  They also help a person GET OFF Caffeine without horrific side effects.

Also what is the actual way to test on the HCL need?  I burp pretty quickly after taking a glass of water and Baking Soda due to acid reflex issues... since I"m not 100% compliant on some things yet - but working on it!!!
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If you burp quickly, you most likely have enough acid. I don't burp at all. 1-2 min after you are high, 2-3 normal and after 5 min without burping means low acid. The sympptoms of low acid and high are the same


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The oil buys me two to 3 hours of not eating, not looking to eat, not thinking about eating, it buys me peace!!!!! from wanting..

I can use mayo and it stills my lunchtime hunger, but does not allow want free time after 2 hours, even when I had enough to eat at lunch.

The oil in this fashion of one hour away on either side and it being tasteless is some kind of a secure key that assures me having enough money in my hunger bank to be able to wait, and not spend any of the deposit.  

The tastelessness of the oil gives me time for a choice to eat or not to eat.  I never had such a choice.  Even on hormones I was restricted to certain time of eating or certain foods/calories. That choice for me is still a big issue.  Often I would succumb to foods around me, wanting any food. Choosing not to 'want' the foods around me, stilling my desires my addictive giving in to food, is as strong as is a choice one has a second before (sorry, no disrespect) before having orgasm, and just saying; no I will not.  Or another example of this hunger business, like standing at the top of a bridge and deciding to jump, and feel like that 100 times a day year in and year out.

Mayo works not to eat a loaf of bread, or french fries, but that kind of fatty foods will still keep wishing for more foods soon after -intact.

Look I am not trying to convince any one, the book is still coming, but so far this works for me... and is in compliance to BTD, and that is what is so nice and I can actually intake the oils Dr D recommends.



as for indigestion.. I never burp that i am aware of.. at least not out of the ordinary.. when I had acid reflux or not.  The biggest reflux reactions I got was when I changed to eating almonds, especially at night.

For that issue, I read somewhere to eat a slice or asmall apple at night, problem gone.






Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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Goldie, you are so right on many points, especially the fear of being hungry. It is in fact almost worse than the hunger.

Goldie, I gather from what you have written before that your personal history may have something to do with your hunger. My sister's husband is German, and they nearly starved during WWII when he was a small child, and he still has a horror of being hungry. Thankfully, he is not overweight, though, and has very few health problems. Oh, I do love to hear him sing a German lullaby in his native tongue! It is so sweet!



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No I was never hungry, I lived the best times of all the centuries, I ate my way through my early years, having all I ever wanted... I was lucky!

I started to gain weight the day I got married age 20 and never stopped since..

When I was eating all I wanted up to age twenty I as skinny.. size 5.. 120pds.

Over thirty years I went to 200 despite all sorts of diets. Today I am 160 to 170.. my live will be one long effort not to eat  because of what I think was a hormone change, and ever since then, I have battled all sorts of issues.  Love hormones would make the difference, but it takes youth too...

The stomach pain issue started at birth with some issues with milk, the residual issues are from my first 32 year long stomach pain, and disappointment of 50 years of having to deal with food and calorie issues.. Are some issues mental, maybe, but by now they are blurred, so in the end I might just say: the heck with it all and dye being fat and sometime happy.

If oil for now, is working, I still have to forgo pastry,and the rest you know for O's.. and then on top of that Diabetes. (but not moms cancers so far)

Hunger is so much of life, wasted, thinking about it. The only way not to get upset, is when I think of starving people in many places, or other tragedies. I am lucky thanks to Dr. Atkins years ago, and Dr. D'Adamo later, I am at least as healthy as I can possibly be.  (and not be 400 pounds) all is good

Yet the oil has helped also... I am getting the oil book tonight..    


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The book has arrived and I am reading it.

I think it is well worth the money and time looking at it.. A book that understands hunger..

So far a few pages into it I am exited to read he rest.

I am intrigued to read that certain calories are not the same as other food values. that some will add weight while others might not.

Some will sponsor hunger and wants while other foods might not.

I am going to be convinced in a hurry that certain foods trigger my wants, while others do not, and that some at least are in my swami list.  

I will report more on it.  10.- well spent..

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Report: Interesting, one thing I noticed is that I could stop midway to my plate of food, but because I seem to eat the plate empty (fear of future hunger) I seem to be compulsively eat all the food I normally eat.

The book is not yet saying so, however I might try to just cook less and put less on my plate...go from lunch plate to flat desert plate - use my 5 inch pan to cook meat and veggies as always... obviously I can always cook some more..  I read that I can eat foods I wish, (BTD) and that is important to me as without that assurance I would become fearful...

Making those kinds of decisions are deeply wrenching.  The process of changing pot size feels at first traumatic, yet if I was truly not hungry, then maybe it would be less threatening. Only days in future will show how I might handle this.   The simplicity of this is not in eating less, but reducing hunger pangs... and then allow to feel full when it might be enough, the first time --- not when the plate is empty...   wheee--- Breath!  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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Ok so I got up at 4 and was concerned about food????? ???? then i took some oil, and went back to sleep, got up took another spoon, and am feeling just dandy... My body had enough food calories to sustain the stomach acid or not/ communication to the brain or not, and all is well.

I am playing with the idea of if I need to eat more for the morning, then I would just eat 1 egg. Currently I would like to just eat when I am hungry, and for the amount for which I feel hunger... it seems the oil dramatically reduces that be it a feeling or desire or habit.  

Tonight going out to eat I will do oil in place of cocktails, and ask that half my food be cut and placed in a box to take home.  As it is I do not eat a big portion, yet if I can reduce it, who knows what possibilities may come from it.

Olive oil has 120 calories a table spoon, I take half of that when I take it, so I can have 4 spoons when needed... getting afraid to be hungry... which is the mental component for me... something I learned inadvertently/mistakenly when I learned that certain foods will make me sick.      

  


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Goldie, it would be such a wonderful thing if you could find the root of the huge change that came about in your life. Afraid of being hungry - no wonder losing weight is such a struggle for you! This oil treatment would seem to be the ideal thing for soothing your stomach AND your mind! Good luck!


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OK the jury is in The oil works.. no need to change anything, continue what you would eat any way...  

In my case I had one egg for breakfast, the oil is now a given so no need to talk about it much longer..    others may try the sugar,,   then I had 3 oz of meat and romaine lettuce with Parmesan sprinkled.. I feel full, comfortable self assured that if i was to get thinking of food later I can have a spoon of oil again in on hour...  Sooooooooo reassuring!

What is different ... it took me three weeks to figure out that I might be able to reduce my portions and still not be hungry...!... maybe go so far on Swami and make the change to not medium meals but small.. I wonder what will happen then on portion of food value..   unimaginable i!!!!!!!! ...

This might very well have been the missing link to the BTD for weight loss and hunger anguish suffered by some of us... Life is great!


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I had taken the oil at 4 and by 6-7 I was ready to eat but waiting was possible.  I drank a cup of tea with just a little sugar and it tied me over.

In the distant past I used to eat something sweet to stave off feeling famished and making it through cocktail hours. I do not drink so sitting or standing is just boring when hungry.  In the afternoons long ago, I used to eat something sweet, and it worked to tie me over.  I think it is the same with this idea of sugar as a means to stave off the need for eating other foods, often more damaging foods.

Sugar might be having its own bad reputation, but if used in the prescribed manner in this diet, then just maybe it might save a lot of anguish. I for one was able to have a time waiting for a rather late dinner last might with just a little sugar, and so I would try to do this specific sugar 'snack'.   Those who do not have diabetes in their family history might well be able to use sugar without ill effect.  

I also think that each person ought to be evaluating their own reactions to either oil or sugar and take the full suggestion as a means to reduce unreasonable hunger. For those who do not suffer from hunger as some others do, they ought to 'learn' that this is a difference that is so much in need of being recognized as such.  

People who judge over weight people ought not do so, nor should they receive mercy, as we all suffer from not knowing what to do... yet understanding this new sugar oil suggestion and just maybe afford us and others to learn about this way of controlling the body part that is hungry - even understanding that  the mind is still something to be dealt with at the same time...still not easy.  

Giving up 'freedom' to eat whatever or whenever is a hard pill to swallow.  Even  after immediate hunger is stilled, the thoughts still haunt me and choosing the right thing is still a challenge.  I am up to it for now and I feel I can make a difference in my life.... and others can do it in theirs.


One other difference this way of eating teaches me is that some food/ calories are worse then others, that taste and calories make a difference in how the body reacts to those foods and how it triggers the mind to eat if not avoids, but maybe to much ..

Reviewing that might make some semblems of difference and learning this might be another key to understanding food and the body. It might well be that there is more to understand, such as is all that we where thought by our past decades.  Just as the food pyramid changed, there might be more to evaluate here especially with our understanding of foods in our BTD lists..

I need to do so and I hope the learning will come to full measure, adding what I know to new discoveries. This always renews my own interest in BTD showing me new ways to interpret what was written by Dr D long ago...  

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One recognition I have to make is that I can and need to eat at least the 3 regular meals mostly as before (not cutting them as well,,  .. but saving the snacks will make a difference, as peace of mind is much needed and possible..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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I came across a time for caution.. if Gallstones or gallbladder issues are on issue with oils, then either try sugar, or very little oil to start with.. Read the book..  


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perhaps should we also implement and have an eye onto the *recompensation-system* in the brain .... when leptin lacks... you might be hungry all the time....dito
certain aminoacids should be implemented as well.....


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Lisa, you may be very right, in older age one might need all kinds of supps.. I have closets full of bottles tried and found making no differences.  Should I at 70 and food reduced take a multi vitamin.. most likely it would not hurt, should some or all take many different items .. no doubt some might do wonders.. Just look at all the sups Dr D has developed, The problem with them all - one never knows what actually is for what...

There are ways of finding the right things, but only few people do proper testing.. even with proper testing we miss a lot.

In the end my hunger issues have been with me, from the moment someone mentioned diet..   At the time the word diabetes was mentioned, and from then on my life has changed.  Had my episode in the hospital with diarrhea  triggered my sugar sensitivity, Or was it the 4 day mistreatment that stimulated the sensitivity? or was it the fear that created havoc in my brain.. I have no idea, but the issue was never on issue before and was with me ever after.

I wonder what if any supplement might have been useful -- with today's knowledge -- could some have made a difference?  Maybe...



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