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Day 6.. I am totally astounded again.  I had a banana for dinner and was totally satisfied.  Then after some hours of sleep I wake up and was feeling what I interpret as hungry.. not surprising after just a banana since the icecream at 3pm and a very small lunch with zucchini for breakfast...

I watched a movie and then sort of had that spot where I always feel discomfort,,, a spot the size of a silver dollar on the left under the ribs.  I was told it is the exit valve of the stomach.  

Well after a while I decided I would take a spoon of oil with water chaser and instantly that 'slight pain discomfort' went away.  Normally only food would make it go away.  I fell asleep in minutes and woke with no stomach issues at all.  Neither hungry nor wanting..  NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

After hundreds of doctor visits, I wonder could it be that all my issues might have been from a need for oil coating on the inside?   Could life be as simple and peaceful just for a spoon of oil?  I AM ASTOUNDED!!!!!  

I have HAD NO NEED to think about food at all the last few days.. I feel NORMAL. What a discovery IF it holds true.  Makes staying Swami compliant a breeze...



Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Goldie- i just read the article, so now i know what you mean about taste-less oil. I'm not sure if i agree with him about his theories about set points and tasy-ness with hunger. My feeling is that i'm hungry because i am deficient in something. I know do not get enough Omega-3, so i am currently taking a supplement in pill form, but i may tried it (flax oil) in liquid form. It might be that the oil coats the stomach and makes it think it is full. the hot water chaser might flush it into your intestines however. i may try both. good luck on your journey!
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I'm sure it was lunch, I just never burped! I'll have to do it again soon since taking the HCL and seeing if I'm producing more acid yet. I take 3 or 4 with each meal. Lots of people take upwards of 8 but my protein is small. How many ounces of protein do you eat at each meal and do all your meals contain animal flesh?


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I eat two eggs most mornings..  (I am looking to reduce it to 1 egg.)

3-4 oz meat fresh cooked with veggies for lunch
and the same or a little more meat for dinner.

The rest is hit or miss with cheese- avoid/ mayo- avoid / icecream, avoid. .

I might eat a avocado as well - don't know about protein for that.

and now the oil..



It is evening and I ate a small piece of meat at 5 because I was hungry with a half banana. I felt genuine hunger before, but not the pain like feeling I normally get.  The oil at 4 was a great something to look forward to and kept me from 'suffering' for the extra hour.

If I need anything else tonight I will try another spoon of oil, but not until later.  I am trying to reduce tonights food because I ate a little more for lunch  --- tuna salad and green salad with a can of peas, half banana, small chocolate. I was famished.  





Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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Day 7.. I took a third spoon of oil, even though I had no stomach 'pain', nor hunger.  I did it at 2 am after being up 2 hours, shortly after I fell asleep... Nice.  I usually stay up until 4 5 am am...  I woke at 7 feeling comfortable.

I am staying in a house with 2 little doggies.. I take them for a walk around the kitchen table every few hours in a fast clip.  The pug wants to sit down, but some coaching and he comes along.  all day I get some exercise.


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Quoted from Goldie
I am staying in a house with 2 little doggies.. I take them for a walk around the kitchen table every few hours in a fast clip.  The pug wants to sit down, but some coaching and he comes along.  all day I get some exercise.
Anything to stop you taking them outside for their exercise & going further - say around the block?

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Snow sleet and ice.. but the kitchen is big.. 5 minutes of fast paced walking is good and is supported by others who see short compressed exercise as a good thing.

It is 5 pm and I had breakfast of 2 eggs with green beans, 3.5 oz steak for lunch, some fruit a little later and the one spoon oil at 11 am and at 4.30 and all is well.  No stomach pain.  No cravings.  And dinner is ahead ... I hope this satisfaction lasts...

Remember I am O .. not all types might feel the same..        


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No offense... It's just that you said walking "round the kitchen table", which didn't sound like much?! Yeah, no, you wouldn't want to be walking/slipping in snow sleet and ice

Obviously any movement is good (my MotherinLaw could only manage to walk up & down the  hallway at one stage, after a back operation, but good on her - she did it!!) But I thought it was worth mentioning as I kidded myself for years that I could lose weight through no real exercise & diet alone...?! This was partly 'cos I was too unfit/lazy/ lacking in motivation to go & walk outside?!

We have the opposite problem with the weather right now & when it is hot, my elliptical trainer seems to seize up & every step feels like torture, compared to how I normally feel doing the 20 mins...  I had been doing it fairly religiously every morning for the last few weeks & if I haven't, I've been for a half hour walk a few times on the semi flat (but nothing too strenuous)

It is probably partly the good effect on the lymphatic system, but I am feeling much fitter & am more motivated, so last night I decided instead to walk up the hilly streets near home, which I hadn't done for ages... Usually I'm out of breath if I do, so I never exactly relish the idea... Was so surprised when I got up two hills & one slope without even feeling like stopping??!!
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Possum, Good morning..what is the temperature by you these days?   There is wisdom in what you are saying. I have been walking over two miles on a beach for the last 4 weeks, and now I am back in snow country, so I have to adjust.. You are right, snow and sleet does not last long, and movement is good for body and mind.  

Breathing for me is always an issue, I have shortness of breath - had it all my life- do better at ocean side. Caffeine would help greatly, but I got rid of that pleasure because it gives me nasty side effects.  (in the car I drove 5 miles faster for every cup)  Now I go on my own strength and less power, but still I move quick and the dogs run.. The pug runs better after the collar comes off and I drag it with the leash on the floor...  This kitchen is big and five minutes around the table the middle long isle the hallway and back is a stretch.  Picture it as a being would looking in from outer space.. haha ..

Day 8 and I had a good night.  I was nudgy after a sparse steak for dinner, with salad, so I ate a half apple about 8pm.  I slept well with that, actually all night, I had forgotten that a piece of apple at night takes acid re flux away.

Sorry apple is avoid, but that was the only snack I had.  Today I woke refreshed, and ready to work, taking my oil where I go. easy in a little oil bottle.

I have not lost any weight since my last weighing. I may need to do more walking to drop that pound a month I am looking for. a pound forever - but without HUNGER PANGS.. pangs is a better description of what I feel when my stomach valve 'hurts'.  NO pangs. haha... life is good, and saving money for avoid foods too!
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Hi Goldie... Glad you slept better!! Is apple still an avoid for you even on swami? I grew up in the Apple Isle (Tasmania) so could kill to be able to munch into one now *sigh* (too much fructose )

Here it is a very steady & pleasant top of 23 (76) each day, with cooler nights, so was/is a very pleasant Summer (Autumn now as of today) We have had no real rain for months & up North & no doubt on the Sth Island, farmers are declaring a drought

Yeah maybe a tad more exercise eh, in order to lose weight? Hard I know!! But I can better picture that kitchen trot now
Yesterday I made myself get out & walk for about hour & have lost another half a lb... All the best!!
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Hi Possum...Kitchentrot I like that.. a new form of exercising.. I have long advocated making everyday work a way to get some workout into it. I like to listen to radioeviva.ch with old fashion music because it is always cheerful and always has a good clip to its sounds... I can mix some nostalgia and a little homesickness with a little home spun memories of my youth.  Anything to get me moving.  What is your homespun sounding radio in your area?

I am still succeeding with my 'oil in-between diet' and I am succeeding beyond my best expectations.  I can eat three normal meals and not need a snack (or-avoid) food every other minute.  I have piece of thinking, or better , not thinking about it at all until 1:30 and not feel famished with a spoon of oil at 11... Or I can wait until 5pm for the second spoon and wait without care until 6 to eat dinner.

I know that a week is not long enough to see the success in this, or whatever internal changes I should expect.  So far I have no discernable changes happening, with bathroom issues are still as before.  I expect my skin to be less dry over time, but not yet.  I expect a 1 pound weightloss by week 4. or 12 pounds during the next year.  I could love that.  Just not having 'pangs' is still so novel that I could just do a jig for nothing else.

8 pm on day 8 and all is well.    

    

    


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Day 9.. and all is well.  2 tea spoons twice olive oil (120 calories) a day and I am good to go. No snacks to speak of and much more control over avoids - now.. I feel like NORMAL people must feel, with all NATURAL BTD GENO SWAMI foods.  

This has worked out so well that from now on I will monitor here only once a week, as little will be news.

I can have the 2 spoons of oil 6 days, per swami, so if I forget once or twice that will be OK too. haha.  

This 95% dieting is just so much fun.


But if someone where to reply and tell me what the worst of cheats are - small scoop ice cream? compared to hot dog?  decaf, coffeemate? cream in decaf? or what other cheats are there for O nonnies besides a second fruit? Does not have to be sweet, could be cold cuts??? could be juice...  ??, maybe I need to start backing?  

See you in a week.  


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Tbh I would recommend for a snack/cheat if you really wanted it - something fatty over a second piece of fruit even?! For me, having cream in my cocoa works really well & feels like a treat...
I don't often bother re coffee, even though I make it for my husband at weekends?! Only time is if I'm out & there's no alternative & I want to be sociable... Although I always have a small pot of bicarb in my bag & the last two coffee occasions I just ordered hot water & it was surprisingly acceptable
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Goldie, i was looking forward to your update today.
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Oh sorry... the update :  I am able to wait the hour between 10 and 11 when normally I would look for 'something' and then i can take the tea spoon oil and be good for another hour, no hunger.

Then in the afternoon I can do the same at about 3 and be good til dinner after 5-6-7.

The best is the mind quiet.. and the trust that it will work within 10 minutes feeling no longer hungry nor looking for something.  I do drink the water with it.

My friend who is A she tried the oil, it did not work... She is willing to try the sugar water suggestion and see if that will work for her, I will report on it later.

I am going to buy the book and see if I can learn more about the why's.. the good things also is that it is cheap, 'beneficial, and available easy wherever I am.  

  


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I am noticing a difference as well. I pour a little walnut oil in my morning smoothie and I am good till noon. Normally I go hungry at around ten.

I also eat less in the evening.




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I've been intermittent fasting again and putting oil in my coffee in the morning. I don't even think aboyt food until about 11 am so then it is only a few hours until my fast has ended. I agree with the mental calm from not always being preoccupied with food.
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sorry dearle Goldieshatzala- can't agree with the  sugar presumptions...for any types here... and the other way we've talked about it de vive voix this afternoon

amyflood also here sorry to question ...did I realized it well you mentioned *early morning café  intake*  ok sorry ladies I feel and think I'm in a very false film and pre- and assumptions came along instead of true metabolic matters.... Goldie ...sorry dear friend, are you aware justamente that you try to make place
for *one oil should fit everyone* '?)... an A- as I furtherly tried to explain, never will be able to stand the amounts of any oils as 0's do.... and sorry this wasn't meant.....


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Amy, the statistics say that if you fast the body feels deprived and the thyroid will adjust to need ever less and less to eat. As you get older you will need ever less. My 80 year old friend eats about 3 oz of chicken plain, and salad and a pretzel for snak, and smallll lunch and breakfast.. IF one likes to eat, that is a miserable way to live, and more importantly ..how is she supposed to get her vitamins?  

I would rather have you use the oil to reduce the misery of waiting for food, and eat at least 3 normal meals.

For me the oil in smoothies did not work as this plain oil.  I used to eat many nuts, but still felt hungry.- looking for 'something'.

But no matter, anything that works for you is good with me.





  


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Goldie, I recently came across the SLD and now I see your thread. I am very interested in trying the oil thing. Do you really have to use flavor-less oil? I was thinking of using EVOO, coconut oil and ghee. What do you use? and you follow it with hot water? TIA


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The part of the book that is shown in the first post here, indicates that what works is getting some calories, without triggering the brain.  In other words, give the body the food value it seems to need, but not trigger the brain wanting more. Being tasteless seems to do that.  

Interestingly! some people (non diabetics) seem to be able to do the same thing with sugar in water in specific portions. see the book excerpt above...

The reason why this immediately clicked with me is that, I used to years ago, be able to satisfy the hours between meals with some chocolate or some ice cream, or maybe even long ago, a spoon of sugar in real coffee.

My stomach and my nerves are connected.  I am certain that I fit Dr D's profile of a person in perpetual state of hypoglycemia.  In other words I feel jittery without food in my upper stomach.  

And Science has explained this further, by discovering that there are two nerve pathways that go from the inside of the stomach directly to the brain, one saying I need food, the other I am full.  In some individuals the first nerve never shuts off, and the other never turns on.  In that reversed confused state the brain sends out all sorts of wrong messages, resulting in me feeling 'un-nerved'.

Fatty foods, tuna and mayo are stilling that confusion to about half, as it at least satisfies for about two hours.  Since I can not eat tuna every two hours, I look for other things that satisfy.  Real 100% cream icecream or chocolate (fat and sugar) satisfies for another maybe 2 hours.

But now with diabetes, and aging, (needing way fewer calories) eating smaller portions and avoiding all sugars makes eating to satisfaction much more difficult.

Here is where I found that tasteless (snacking) with the oil satisfies the stomach nerves, communicating with the brain that I am full, and not turning on the nerve centers that want more food ******..  Two results, I am satisfied, and have no sugar triggering an insulin response.. At Least that is what I expect to see in my next blood test.

*****  Yet, I still have to make the decisions on when to eat the oil, one hour away from other food or drink on either side.  And I still have to commit each time to: oil is good enough, or that I can do it, or that I am ok soon and not feel overwhelmed by 'hunger' pangs, fear of hunger, and not preferring some other more tasty treat.  This does not come naturally, but I can trust for now, the decision more so, because I know it to work.

Today, because of the brain stomach/habit confusion about the time of day, I was hungry early on, even though I ate way into last night, something I seldom do, so I decided to have a spoon of oil for the 8am morning hour now, until 10 am (used to be 9) and forfeit wanting to eat early, making my morning way to long for lunch at now - on hour longer then 'normal'.   I can still follow up with another small spoon full by 11 real time and then wait to eat at 12.  Peace!

Sorry to be so long winded, however I am talking to me as much, as to anyone who would read this far, or experiment with me.

I am going on a limb here: but could it be???? that anorexics or bulimics might get the calories (from a spoon of oil) they need for the body and intestines to remain healthier, or heal, without feeling ill effects?  

The mind is a powerful muscle and to trick it is most difficult.  For me right now the Light Olive Oil works/washing it down with a glass of warm water.  The water is much needed by my body also, serving two needs at once! Nice!     

    


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Thanks for your concern Goldie, but for right now, fasting works for my life schedule. when i eat 3 meals and 2 snacks per day, i am still always hungry, never feel satisfied or full. with fasting, i am  hungry for a few hours, but when i do get to eat, i get to eat until i am full (on healthy compliant food of course!). I actually feel more energized and less tired. good luck to you!
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Thank you so much, Goldie for sharing your experience. I wish you continued success. I might join you shortly.


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What is with this always hungry thing?? I am too. However I do find vey small meals 4x a day is better than a regular sized meal, it just seems so unnatural. For instance I had a appelgate hot dog and 4 asparagus spears, this is to last me 4 hours. Now if i throw a salad in, I'm hungry very soon after with this ravenous, incessant hunger! To the point that all I think about is food. The smaller thing works better, at least for now, it just seems measly


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