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Goldie
Sunday, February 17, 2013, 4:30pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I am ever more certain that alcoholics are just self medicating... as are diabetics..or overweight..  

I am certain that Manganese and  Magnesium and B12 have a lot to do with people being in ongoing pain.  Some have pain from muscle cramps, like fibromyalgia, some suffer depression from chronic fatigue, tired all the time, depression from lack of all the above and ALLLLLLLLL might be thyroid, not yet understood, or future diabetes.. in the family history.

NO doubt diet is the key, but some absorption issues might be a big issue also.

Why can I take any kind of magnesium and never have any need to go to the bathroom, while others get diarrhea?

Could it be that the B12 missing- by being suppressed - in the alcoholic or the diabetic is really the reason why we look for other ways to feel better, be it sugar or alcohol?

All this is a result of my having been in the air plain yesterday and having had a attack of neuropathy.. a twitching and near painful not able to sit still, twitching and the like... until I started to eat something.. started to take a pain pill, started to drink quinine.. the neuropathy subsided near instantly.  

Could it be that I have LEARNED that food makes me not only full but feels good?  could it be that IS WHY WE OVER WEIGHT OR ALCOHOLICS eat or drink more often than do others?  

Could it be that some of us just neeeed more then the normal amount of something like B12?    Are we really suffering from (maal-absorption) undernourishment?  Could it be that NORM for us- MIGHT be that we should be measured on the extreme end of a Guideline/Graph?  Could it be that we ought to at least consider that we have needs out of the NORM - more need of this or that? as opposed to average???

Could it be that 80% of the prisons could be emptied of mental patients and horrid criminals if they had been fed what they need?  

Should we look at the experiments by Adelle Davis (again) and learn much more from her today with what we learned then.. She might have seen into the future way far ahead and we only now might be able to UNDERTAKE the research with what WE HERE learned food wise.  

Could it be that with on analysis of the foods WE HERE do eat, looking at absorption and or the lack of enough nutrients for US HERE, that we could dramatically improve our situation?

I have a brother who suffers greatly from muscle cramping for decades.. could it be that he is not only drinking his 4-6 beer a day to change feelings or self worth, but also to drown the neuropathy?  Could we all be suffering from the above examples?  WOULD he be better served as seen not as the alcoholic, but a sick undernourished person?

I wonder if we could JOINTLY participate in a listing of (BTD) foods we eat, and compare our food intake and absorption and then ascribe our painful feelings along the side to see what correspondent results might come from it?

Would others here feel like participating? or at least observe along with others?  



  
  



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NO doubt diet is the key, but some absorption issues might be a big issue also.

Could it be that with on analysis of the foods WE HERE do eat, looking at absorption and or the lack of enough nutrients for US HERE, that we could dramatically improve our situation?

I have a brother who suffers greatly from muscle cramping for decades.. could it be that he is not only drinking his 4-6 beer a day to change feelings or self worth, but also to drown the neuropathy?  Could we all be suffering from the above examples?  WOULD he be better served as seen not as the alcoholic, but a sick undernourished person?

I wonder if we could JOINTLY participate in a listing of (BTD) foods we eat, and compare our food intake and absorption and then ascribe our painful feelings along the side to see what correspondent results might come from it?

Diet is the key to keeping the gut healthy.  Keeping the gut healthy is key to proper nutrient absorption.  Proper nutrient usage is key to keeping the rest of the body functional.  Once the gut is compromised, supplementation MAY be necessary to restore proper function...

I know some alcoholics drink to to kill pain.  It would be better for these people to determine Why they hurt, rather than just attempting to smother it. Many are not 1) aware of what to do, or 2) not willing to make the dietary changes necessary to heal.  So many people are convinced (or use the excuse) that they have to have agreement from their MD before they can change their diet, but fail to realize they change their diet based on advertisements, etc. without consulting the Dr....


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...So many people are convinced (or use the excuse) that they have to have agreement from their MD before they can change their diet, but fail to realize they change their diet based on advertisements, etc. without consulting the Dr....

Interesting perspective. I'll remember this the next time I'm having to respond to someone who thinks choosing this (or any) approach to good health is "unusual".    
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The pain many feel is all to often misconstrued as being emotional.  

The emotions may play a part ... but I am exactly arguing the opposite.

I think and suppose that mal nutrition is the cause for all sort of feelings.

I had belly pain for 32 long years with several hospital visits and the supposed best doctors consulted .. and still I was suffering all my early years.

As a child I felt less of the pain, as lucky for me, I was not made to eat the food that made me ill.  But as I got older I might have learned that eating often, or at will, might have made me feel ok more often, might be the reason why even today I eat to feel good or for energy.

No doubt also, not having foods that would counter the 'bad' might have given me the very symptoms later in life which then might have caused me NEW pains and new symptoms.

If you would ask others they might say I am out of control of my eating habits, while Dr. D. might advise me to look at diet as a means to heal my insides... and with that my BRAIN /emotional issues  of attachment / of excuses of why i have weight issues... Still others as was done many years ago, another doctor thought 'making' a baby would solve my daily stomach pains.

I am certain that I suffered all my life from deficiencies and I am suggesting that all illness comes from the same... Many Doctors have expressed the same.

I am MUCH less judgmental today then I was when I thought more according to the lines that bad behavior was chosen out of ill will. I am suggesting that it is possible that I am right and thinking ought to be changed.. or at the very least reviewed.

  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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alchoholics and diabetics are very often both severely magnesium deficient.


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alcoholics and diabetics are very often both severely magnesium deficient.


AK, THANKS.. YES I think that this so but few show any symptoms.

YES, a deficiency like magnesium can be painful or annoying is os many small ways, I have had but not known until just a few days - weeks ago.  I am SHOCKED to see how bad I can feel and momentarily feel better when I use it internally or externally in a gel or oil.  

I am shocked that instead of addressing alcoholism as a reason to bully a 'drinker', instead of advising him/her to take magnesium and B vitamins.

BOTH those items are (IN MY MIND) the earliest need both by the alcoholic and diabetic, like maybe DECADES before.  I think that even those with (as we understand here) all Geno types pre-conditioned to such future illness (or even like ADD/ADHD) may actually need to evaluate where on the graph they ought to be to FEEL better.

BEEING in the middle of a graph is one thing, but in certain gene related considerations I might consider the middle as not enough.  

I am going to see my doc today and will report to him that I had been tested on the ZYTO hand and it showed my thyroid as being under stress.  I am also going to supplement with Vit B1 3 5 6 and all the others. I am looking to see what my doc has to say about my ZYTO findings. I will report.


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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