So, three days off the magnesium and bathroom trouble is back.. I am going to find a better way to absorb the magnesium?   does any one have experience with getting the body to absorb Magnesium in any other form (-Milk of Magnesia?) I did so well on that but the sweetness is to much, there must be a pill or some other thing.. I am not getting it from the foods that have magnesium in it.

go for aspartat, citrat or orotat... no mg-oxid...please

and/or via your skin, Goldie? ...... Epsom salts soaks, baths or saturated solution to use on your skin.

I use magnesium glycinate [KAL brand] as well as the cheap home made solution.

Magnesium does two things. First, it relaxes muscles, including the muscles that help you move your bowels. Secondly, extra magnesium in the GI tract draws water into the stools, making them looser and easier to move.

Magnesium that you absorb helps your muscles, along with lots of other good things in your body.  But the less-well absorbed forms of magnesium have a stronger laxative effect, since more of the magnesium stays in the stools, drawing water into them and softening them. Too much can lead to watery stools. But "just the right amount" keeps things moving smoothly.

When you get adequate magnesium topically, stools also normalize, although I'm not sure of the exact way that works.

I've been away from home for four days, These trips usually mess my system up big time. I took Natural vitality  called Natural Calm. I'm sure it has some avoids but it really did help me on this trip.

I was reading in a few places that you can take Mg supps until your stools run, but you still may be deficient.  Key is absorption.  Wish I could give you a solution, but I'm still experimenting myself

Since I started my rice regimen again.
I have a regular bowel movement every nigth.
Seems it really had a connection.

.... what is interesting for me is that the magnesium rich pumpkin seeds are a food I CAN eat only 3-4 and be satisfied.. I wish all other foods gave me that full feeling..   I wonder could I eat 2-3 seeds with chocolate and feel full after a smidgen?  would be fun//    I will try it.. seeds with all foods.. I will test it..  


Beating this dead horse..: from
http://journals.lww.com/co-lip.....10.aspx,  

after I googled diabetes, magnesium

````AbstractPurpose of review: This review summarizes the evidence for benefits of magnesium on metabolic abnormalities, inflammatory parameters, and cardiovascular risk factors and related-potential mechanisms. Controversy due to contrasting results in the literature is also discussed.

Recent findings: Increased dietary magnesium intake confers protection against the incidence of diabetes, metabolic syndrome, hypertension, and cardiovascular disease. It ameliorates insulin resistance, serum lipid profiles, and lowers inflammation, endothelial dysfunction, oxidative stress, and platelet aggregability. Magnesium acts as a mild calcium antagonist on vascular smooth muscle tone, and on postreceptor insulin signaling; it is critically involved in energy metabolism, fatty acid synthesis, glucose utilization, ATPase functions, release of neurotransmitters, and endothelial cell function and secretion. Prospective studies, however, have found only a modest effect for dietary magnesium on incident pathologies. Furthermore, magnesium supplementation on glucose metabolism, blood lipid levels, and ischemic heart disease has given inconsistent results.

Summary: There is strong biological plausibility for the direct impact of magnesium intake on metabolic and cardiovascular risk factors, but in-vivo magnesium deficiency might play only a modest role. Reverse causality, the strong association between magnesium and other beneficial nutrients, or the possibility that people who choose magnesium-rich foods are more health-conscious may be confounding factors.````

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Since I started my rice regimen again.
I have a regular bowel movement every nigth.
Seems it really had a connection.

Marc, is it brown or white rice that you are eating? Curious because I get white as a diamond in SWAMI but it does not have the bran in it like the brown rice, but perhaps the white will be fine for me as it is a diamond. Thanks.  

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I was reading in a few places that you can take Mg supps until your stools run, but you still may be deficient.  Key is absorption.  Wish I could give you a solution, but I'm still experimenting myself

And some people can have a magnesium overload and never had a single loose stool! Veggie drinks are wonderful for "bathroom" issues - which I simply don't have.

Try Chlorella........

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Marc, is it brown or white rice that you are eating? Curious because I get white as a diamond in SWAMI but it does not have the bran in it like the brown rice, but perhaps the white will be fine for me as it is a diamond. Thanks.  

It is white rice.

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The link you post does not work.

If you have your bowel movement trouble try eating papaya.
It works for me.  

try this link

http://journals.lww.com/co-lip.....rdiovascular.10.aspx

Purpose of review: This review summarizes the evidence for benefits of magnesium on metabolic abnormalities, inflammatory parameters, and cardiovascular risk factors and related-potential mechanisms. Controversy due to contrasting results in the literature is also discussed.

Recent findings: Increased dietary magnesium intake confers protection against the incidence of diabetes, metabolic syndrome, hypertension, and cardiovascular disease. It ameliorates insulin resistance, serum lipid profiles, and lowers inflammation, endothelial dysfunction, oxidative stress, and platelet aggregability. Magnesium acts as a mild calcium antagonist on vascular smooth muscle tone, and on postreceptor insulin signaling; it is critically involved in energy metabolism, fatty acid synthesis, glucose utilization, ATPase functions, release of neurotransmitters, and endothelial cell function and secretion. Prospective studies, however, have found only a modest effect for dietary magnesium on incident pathologies. Furthermore, magnesium supplementation on glucose metabolism, blood lipid levels, and ischemic heart disease has given inconsistent results.

Summary: There is strong biological plausibility for the direct impact of magnesium intake on metabolic and cardiovascular risk factors, but in-vivo magnesium deficiency might play only a modest role. Reverse causality, the strong association between magnesium and other beneficial nutrients, or the possibility that people who choose magnesium-rich foods are more health-conscious may be confounding factors.

try getting your magnesium from food perhaps.

difficult.. as most foods I eat have little or no magnesium.. YET interestingly, Pumkinseeds which are good for me, have the most magnesium, --- I only 'need' to eat so few to have enough..

IT is the only food I can see as acting in that 'satiety' way!  It is so puzzleing for me to see that  even a handful feels like to much.  

I am now trying to eat them with other foods that would call for more .. trying to cut the other food desires for more..  

I really wonder how many different versions of magnesium there really are! I just counted up and I am taking at least four myself!!?? This needs to be studied a lot more in my opinion.....

http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/types-of-magnesium/
Well, this doc claims there are eleven. Who knows, there may be twenty-two for all we know. Maybe I need to get some pumpkin seed even though they are a neutral for me.  
Can a BType eat pumpkin seed? I know someone who probably needs to be eating them too.

I will be buying some from Nap, in any form they have, as I trust them best.. at least there I have some security of knowing that it will be ABO cleared.

1)    I have had days without much of a MUSCLE TENSION headache.. impressive!    

and if this stuff is possibly able to divert the diabetes bad muscles effects, then I am most exited.  I mean, they talk of prevention?  Almost to good to be true.  Yet, my results are stunning - from 6 hour headaches every day, to near zero.. !    and I have not changed anything other then taken Trehalose first, which afforded me to figure out that THE real cause was muscle spasms, originating in my neck.  I have neither changed foods nor sleep patterns.  

2)    I do however think: I am sleeping more often between 1 and 6;AM without needing to get up every 90 minutes. Could it be????    

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I will be buying some from Nap, in any form they have, as I trust them best.. at least there I have some security of knowing that it will be ABO cleared.
1)    I have had days without much of a MUSCLE TENSION headache.. impressive!    
and if this stuff is possibly able to divert the diabetes bad muscles effects, then I am most exited.  I mean, they talk of prevention?  Almost to good to be true.  Yet, my results are stunning - from 6 hour headaches every day, to near zero.. !    and I have not changed anything other then taken Trehalose first, which afforded me to figure out that THE real cause was muscle spasms, originating in my neck.  I have neither changed foods nor sleep patterns.  

2)    I do however think: I am sleeping more often between 1 and 6;AM without needing to get up every 90 minutes. Could it be????    

It is funny about the way TC works to get us thinking about things in a new light!! I have been giving my whole supplement regimen an overhaul!! The magnesium certainly sounds promising for you - so far so good!! I will be anxious to hear how this turns out for you and especially the diabetes angle!

perhaps you don't need to be so specific but just encorpotrate some of the foods that are on swami and are higher in magnesium.

personally i try just to eat a broad range of swami foods.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/food/magnesium-foods.htm


Foods high in magnesium     serving size           magnesium mg
Beans, black                        1 cup                120
Broccoli, raw                        1 cup                 22
Halibut      fillet                    1/2                         170
Nuts, peanuts                        1 oz                         64
Okra, frozen                        1 cup                 94
Oysters                                3 oz                         49
Plantain, raw                        1 medium                 66
Rockfish                        1 fillet                 51
Scallop                                6 large                 55
Seeds, pumpkin and squash        1 oz(142)                151
Soy milk                        1 cup                 47
Spinach, cooked                        1 cup                157
Tofu                                1/4 block                 37

Indeed.. but here is what I eat..I am much less adventurous compared to you.. adding more of these things is unlikely.. yet even just focusing on some of these foods will be a plus..

Foods high in magnesium     serving size           magnesium mg

Beans, black                          1 cup             120 a cup is way more  

Seeds, pumpkin and squash   1 oz(142)       151 more doable
Spinach, cooked                    1 cup             157 to much for every day

The best magnesium to take internally is magnesium bis-glycinate, sometimes called magnesium di-glycinate. It is absorbed into the cells via the amino acid pathways, not via the metal pathways. I use a powdered magnesium made by metagenics - but I think the formulation we get here in AUS is a bit different to what might be available for you. They have a good one with some glutamine in it as well which helps to repair the gut at the same time.

Topically you can get a magnesium chloride oil, a compounding chemist will usually be able to make it up for you, or get it in. I find it's useful if you want to give your gut a break, just rub on the skin over the general area you want to target (ie rub over your belly for helping your digestion).

In AUS we have a really big problem with magnesium deficiency. Farming practices have depleted our soils (particularly on East Coast of AUS) and the soil is really low in zinc and magnesium. Foods that are meant to be good sources of these minerals are often not high enough to supplement someone who is low. A lot of people SHOULD be supplementing both these minerals because it's almost impossible to always get enough from the diet.

Thank you.. I am currently getting a new Magnesium supply from NAP and will see how I react.. Thanks for the info..

so sorry about your soil.. it is the next crisis - after water shortages ..

I buy the topical magnesium oil online from Swanson's health products. http://www.swansonvitamins.com/q?kw=mag+oil Actually, I buy this product http://www.swansonvitamins.com/q?kw=mag+chloride and dissolve it in water myself. It works out cheaper that way. I first bought the 3-pack of spray bottles, and I re-use those bottles.

The problem with getting magnesium from food is two-fold. First, is that it's hard to absorb magnesium from the GI tract- it's absorbed much more efficiently from the skin. Secondly, as weekender already mentioned, depleted soils mean that most foods don't have as much magnesium as they used to. I'm not sure if the USDA database takes into account modern, depleted soils, or if it's based on older information.

I know that for myself, adequate magnesium intake is a vital part of controlling fibromyalgia symptoms. I aim for an epsom salts bath every night and spraying my whole body with mag oil in the mornings, but it doesn't happen every day. Sometimes I'll do a foot soak instead of a whole bath at night.

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Ruth, Single Mother to a 17yo   O- girl, a 16yo O- girl, and a 10yo B+ boy

I am sooo impressed by all you say.. so on all the time.  Thanks for all your advise.

Pumpkin Seeds


One ounce of roasted pumpkin or squash seed kernals (no salt) contains 8.46 grams of protein, 163 calories and 1.8 grams of dietary fiber.
Potassium - 223 mg
Phosphorus - 333 mg
Calcium - 15 mg
Magnesium - 156 mg
Iron - 2.29 mg
Sodium - 5 mg
Manganese - 1.273 mg
Zinc - 2.17 mg
Copper - 0.361 mg
Selenium - 2.7 mcg
Also contains trace amounts of other minerals.
Vitamin C - 0.5 mg
Vitamin B1 (thiamine) - 0.02 mg
Vitamin B2 (riboflavin) - 0.043 mg
Niacin - 1.256 mg
Pantothenic Acid - 0.162 mg
Vitamin B6 - 0.028 mg
Folate - 16 mcg
Vitamin A - 2 IU
Vitamin E - 0.16 mg
Vitamin K - 1.3 mcg
Contains some other vitamins in small amounts.

I will have to focus on the magnesium here.. I also have a greater need for Manganese.. good to see it included.  

Being back on diet for weight I am happy with just a few seeds.. and spinach once a day at least.. I will try a cup full ..

Ruthygirl.. thanks for the bath and oil suggestions .. they are for later...

Now I am doing the Magnesium sups ..  BUT they seemed not to help my headache yesterday..  the jury is out - I have to try them for a longer period..  bathroom was OK with them. I am taking 2 so far..  

PC thanks for the post above.. good to re-read..