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Goldie
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I seem to go back to this darn ice cream (something cold) every so often.. so I ask this question... would a addict like me be better of eating whipped cream -a little made in the magic bullet in seconds- and add some instant decaf or cocoa powder?  I wonder - not to give me permission - embarrassed, but just asking...  


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You not really just asking Goldie, you ARE looking for permission lol. NO!

"which is better death by an Axe or a chainsaw, you decide. :0

It's in the realm of a novel idea called "Will Power" a friend of "sensible"

read the thing on addiction, that I sent you, AGAIN. every day if necessary.


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Make "ice cream" with frozen bananas, Goldie.
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but not too much and not too often oxo


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I think balance is the key. When we keep telling ourselves "I can't do/have that" it sends negative stress to the mind and body.

So I ask, what's worse? An ocassional indulgence of something "bad" or negative stress because we "have to" limit ourselves? No one is perfect.

I feel this diet is wonderful, but we are human and shouldn't it be ok to cut ourselves some slack sometimes? Obviously some of us here have serious medical issues and a slip-up could actually be no good.

But for those of us with no serious medical issues...

Just ask yourself, what's more important in your life? Perfection of following a diet to the letter or a stress-free mentality?

Stress is a killer, not the occasional indulgence in dairy. My grandfather is an O who is 97 and eats a balanced diet including dairy and coffee. A big part of his longevity is that he has very little stress in his life.

Food is meant to be a joyous experience, if you allow it. Just giving you another perspective
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I use organic heavy cream now and then for a treat. Whipped on berries, or a splash in chai. Ice cream has sugar....that's the culprit.
(blend frozen blueberries with heavy cream and stevia for a delicious ice cream)
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Goldie, you're the only person on this website who keeps talking about " I can't eat neutrals- only beneficials!" and then continually gets plagued by cravings for outright avoids.

I think your diet is too restrictive, and that's what's leading to the cravings. Sugar and dairy are poisons for you and me, but neutrals are foods to be enjoyed in moderation! You also may need more calories in your daily diet and/or more fat. Perhaps you'd find an end to your cravings if you ate some extra ghee or olive oil with your meals, even though it would mean going over SWAMI reccomended portions for dairy or fats.

What are your neutral  and beneficial cheeses Goldie? As an O Nonnie Gatherer like me, I'm guessing your cheeses are all soft cheeses such as ricotta or quark. How about whipping up some compliant cheese with cocoa powder, then freezing that? You'll have chocolate ice cream, with no guilt and no cravings when you eat it.


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Difficult to get across the point about food addiction. without going over a lot of stuff we have already and also getting across in a fun way - but.....

I also know People who are older and don't eat perfectly but they didn't have so many vaccines if any, they didn't drink and eat the way people do today. so with respect it's not always the same.

I' know Goldie well and the reply was aimed at her, with humour which i know she will appreciate.

To be fair to you, Stress is a big part of it.

but Food is actually there to help us survive also, it may well be joyous for some and an indulgence on occasion but if you eat stuff you are not supposed in addition to toxins and environmental stuff to you will get ill, eventually.

If you are already a diabetic with other complications you need to think differently.

I also think the "balance is the key" is over used and also used as an excuse sometimes. balance is perhaps one of the many keys but it is not enough on it's own and is open to a wide degree of variation and misinterpretation, by other mere mortals perhaps.




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Goldie, try eating a salad every day with a nice pesto made with a lovely extra virgin olive oil.

I think Ruthie is right re the oils, although i am not a fan of the cocoa to be honest, but we have covered that before.

how much coil oil do you use a day and what kind? oil may be a key but the salad is another one.

as always though remember what i said about too much water not helping.

Put that Ice cream Down Girl !!

make the pesto your indulgence - it works for me. fresh basil, glove of garlic or two, sea salt. cold pressed extra virgin organic oil. it's so nice it makes you have a salad every day just to get more, a soup spoon or two will be loads and within swami guidelines (check).

I even had some pesto on some cod this evening, yummy licking lips thinking about it - lol


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What I do for cravings is that I buy and eat the purest ice cream that I can find, such as Breyers, or I choose Stonyfield Farm frozen yogurt.  (Both yogurt and cow's milk are outright avoids on my SWAMI, but at least the yogurt is organic.)  Then I add beneficials, such as carob powder and pecans or almond butter to moderate the glycemic index.

If you're interested in advice, here's mine:

1.  Find someone who practices acupuncture and request the Five Needle Protocol for Addiction.  (I've written about this before.)  This is supposed to work for cravings, too.

2.  Watch out for the ingredients in whipping cream.  It's been a long time since I've seen a carton without dextrose and/or carrageenan.

3.  Watch out also for the ingredients in ice cream.

4.  Take deflect for Type O.

5.  Try your cocoa beverage with a base of hot green tea, peppermint tea, or yerba mate instead of cream and add 1/2 tsp ghee (for the "milk" fat) plus a pinch of sea salt.  You can sweeten that if you want, but I keep it savory.  Try adding Cinnamon, too, if it's not an avoid.

Good luck!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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  I am  having fun reading all your responses..

LISTEN all::::  THANKS .. I am so pleased for all the responses from my PARTNERS .. I love the feelings I got from reading it all.. hahahahahaha  Thanks..  

PC your email does not come through, I did all that I could to add you, but something is blocking you.. .. can you post the links here???????? Please..

The idea of Quark and banana or whatever is VERY great.. QUESTION:

I am familiar with quark in 2 ways.... with cream or low fat.. which is better?/

I can have.. ........ but which is better..  
Milk: 6 ounces; Cheeses: 2-4 ounces; Ghee and Butter 1 teaspoon
Frequency: 4 servings weekly.

SUPER FOODS NEUTRALS  
Ghee, Clarified Butter
Quark Cheese

NEUTRALS  ..........  at least some are cream based.. **
Butter
Cottage Cheese
Farmer Cheese
Manchego Cheese
Paneer Cheese
Ricotta Cheese
Romanian Urda


ONE THING you all cleared up for me .... cream is better then all the stuff in store bought..

I will do Quark.. with banana.. and cocoa... nice idea..

MILK gives me stomach aches.. cream does not... **so maybe 'cream' it will be.. as a test !

LISTEN all::::  THANKS .. I am so pleased for all the responses from my PARTNERS .. I love the feelings I got from reading it all.. hahahahahaha Thanks..  






  



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OK so here some other "excuse ' making responses.. haha

Put that Ice cream Down Girl !! YES I NEED someone to say that .. I miss having had that proverbial FATHER .. mine was long distance and i called him Papa.. ha ha if ever he told me what to do I would have fainted.. or cut him out of my life.. (Is there on answer in that???? )   PC you as my Dad would have made me into a lier..

Ruthy girl... Stress I stood in line for >>>>  Willpower, I was not even in the same room when it was given to me by the (snow white) 'fairies' -- --- It must be that one with the thorn that left me with the ice cream 'habit'....   ................... NOW, where is that prince..

Talking about a Prince.. hormones really make  a difference in what food does on the inside.. I used to drop weight in direct relation to how much I 'anticipated' the arrival of that prince..  

Ha..  there is a direct relation to anticipation and endorphins.  

jayneeo... Your ideas match some of mine.. nice going..

Star Pine.. yes grandpas ate all as did the rest of my family and some got cancer, but I came down with the diabetes Gene and so some things affect me more then others..

I get sleepy real quick, I mean I can sleep 1.5 hour after every sweet or snack or main meal.. not exhausted/tired as I used be a few years ago, when I was tooooo tired to breath... but I need to keep my energy up to have a life. Even A whole banana and other fruit makes me sleepy..

I used to be in pain and agony when exercising or walking, yet, now on BTD for 16 years, I can do some and feel ok.. but it's like a chore I don't care for.. so eating would be nice, if I could, but my health numbers where bad and only recently changed to the better (after dropping weight), To stay that weight and health I need to stay real compliant.. I am at least 95% of the time, but I can succumb for some things but would be willing to make it a 'beneficial.. ice cream is one of the foods I muse over..

I tried the OIL thing recently, it helped with bathroom visits I think, but did nothing for the munchies..

SquarePeg... ....Then I add beneficials, such as carob powder and pecans or almond butter to moderate the glycemic index.  INTERESTING ... I like nuts in ice cream and chocolate too.

If you're interested in advice, here's mine:  ALLLLWAYS even if it comes with WAGGGGING fingers ha ha  

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1.  Find someone who practices acupuncture and request the Five Needle Protocol for Addiction.  (I've written about this before.)  This is supposed to work for cravings, too.


That one interests me.. I wonder if we have such specialists.. just the one point in front of the ears made me MORE hungry.. so this might be different.. I will call around..

THANKS ALLLLLLLLL !




  


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Goldie, if you have to go for ice cream or whipped cream, I would recommend the whipped cream since you can have it without the sugar, which is a problem with your diabetes.  Add some cocoa powder (I know how much you love it) and live it up once in a while.

Sometimes cheating, as long as you do not suffer afterwards, makes you feel a bit devilish and more in control of your own life.  I love ice cream, too, and do cheat with it once in a while, but I don;t have diabetes or anything close to glucose problems.


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You need some positive support to reinforce your goals of staying on your SWAMI and not eating these foods.  I say that because you have diabetes, right, or you are pre diabetic.

You need to find someone you can talk to when you have these cravings, (imho)

because you need to keep in the forefront of your mind those positive thoughts of staying compliant.  For your health.  Your health.  Your goal (imho) should be better health.

It takes at least ten positive statements (usually much more) to drown out that negative, craving statement.

Look in the mirror and talk to yourself out loud.  Give yourself at least 25-50 positive statements about your goals (I would write those out and tape them up all over your house) and staying on your SWAMI.  Everytime you pass one of those goals taped up all over your house, speak it out loud.

Sharing with the best of intentions.


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.
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OHHHH ..... I Love it...... I agree... yet I seem to do it here?  maybe really.. look for some serious issue ...........or at least a diversion?

I am going to do something about frozen something.. just how does one make something soft again after it is frozen solid? Like water melon chunks are so solid.. banana slices stays soft as do prunes.. : but they all have sugar?  

I can go with :

Carob ◊

Pumpkin Seeds ◊
Walnuts ◊

Guava ◊

Celery Juice ◊
Elderberry Juice ◊
Ginger Root Tea ◊

Somehow I can make something out of all these and make Quark to mix it with...

It is obvious here that I do not show other 'real foods' with these.. so it is 'dessert' = stressed foods that I am looking to????  Satisfy alone-ness,  boredom?   Just might be//  I will see if I can make it and then feel ok with it..

It's the cream that makes icecream softer and available or the sugar? ... then is it the no-no or the sugar?

Time to go walking - 2 miles.. will think about it.. Thanks all ...


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It's the dozens of little choices we make every day that determines the outcome of a trajectory of diabetes.  For example, the choice between the taking the stairs versus the elevator, the beef jerky versus the candy bar, going to bed when you're tired at night versus staying up to watch TV, etc.

I'll add one more recommendation: read "Sugar Nation," which you might be able to get through an inter-library loan.  If this doesn't scare you off of sugar, you might want to consider profession help.

Good luck!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I am allowed 2 slices of bread or beans carbs a day.. I do not eat any grains, nor beans...

I eat protein powder 1 scoop 75 calories..  alternating with daily egg for breakfast..

I eat vegetables 2/3 cup portions lunch and dinner -plain most days.  Would love mayo or vinegar but its avoid..  
I eat meat 4 oz.. plain fresh cooked lunch and dinner, with cayenne spices and olive oil (for now)

I have 1 small fruit during in the day. Recently found 1 Diamond Guava satisfying... I am allowed 2 small fruits a day - even with diabetes, but on LOW carbs only 1 is allowed.  

Snacks are either some 90% chocolate, or (seldom -dream of) a scoop of choc ice cream with a sugar cone..

I drink cocoa in water in the morning and water the rest of the day.

I drink coffee plain only when I have severe headache.

So you see: I have no grains and no other sugars, unless I eat a banana when visiting sis.

Oils are on issue, but even when I added some by the table spoon full, recently, it still left me wanting what I call - 'something'..... and holiday and alone time is on issue..

I can have some sweet or starch if I don't have another fruit.. So I could have some a scoop  of Quark on Swami - so with chocolate or some fruit flavor it could become ice cream .. guilt free .. IF ever I figure out what is better..

ON BTD.. IT does not say if cream or low fat is better.. I don't eat any dairy other then a dab of butter per week..
Cream has no carbs..  low fat does have some carbs - but milk gives me stomach pains..  

So here is the 'rub'.. what to consider better: Cream or NONE!!! -----NONE ---as in going to dun a 'black and white' HABIT with wings on the head???  OR correct old memories of my horrid early childhood teachers - dressed in blk (choc) and white as snow -- (is that the connection to childhood = chocolate in a fresh bread bakery and white snow? to counter the nun's that tormented me? )

Yet, if it is to be NONE of the treats....  then,   I might as well become a 'flying off the handle' Nun.  

There has to be a way to find eat GUILT and calorie free treats..    

Maybe pieces of frozen O bars?? I wonder?.. what is in them and how many carbs and calories?  

I am going to see what PC sent me in email..






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What is glutamine water.. where to get it?  

My sugar numbers are coming down, so long as I stay compliant on the foods above.. at least some good thing!


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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I once had a recipe (years ago) for buttermilk ice cream, which I never tried, but as Quark is made from buttermilk it might be worth making own ice cream from Quark.  You could add some grated lemon zest, and use a compliant sweetener.  Do you have an ice cream maker?  You might be able to do it another way if not.  I don't know whether or not it would work, might need to add some heavy cream, too, for the right texture. but just a thought.  If I was absolutely jonesin' for ice cream, and I KNEW that regular ice cream would make me very sick, I would experiment to come up with an alternative.  What have you tried so far, Goldie?  Do you like banana?  Have you tried the frozen banana trick (whir it up in a food processor with compliant flavorings)?  I still haven't tried that one, and I keep promising myself I will.
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Not a nonnie, but my fridge froze everything in it solid last week, and one of those items was a half-gallon of plain yogurt. I personally like plain yogurt, so I ate it like ice cream (or...wait for it...frozen yogurt! ). When the fridge stopped being "broke", the yogurt went back to it's normal consistency, none the worse for the experience.


Let go of resistance; feel appreciation for what is, and eagerness for what is coming.
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Last year I made ice cream using cashews which is now an avoid; I hope to experiment in the spring with nuts & such from my SWAMI. I used to soak goji berries and use the soaking water for sweetening and things like lucuma powder, lo huan powder etc... perhaps you can make some type of ice cream using quark as your base.

My husband was using the computer last night so I tried looking at this site on an i-pod and it would be too much to type a long answer on one of those!

But I got a good chuckle when I saw the title and thought: "Goldie strikes again!" I understand your quest though as I felt that way about cinnamon buns this year. A gluten-free place opened in our neighbourhood and they have compliant ones for me now that I know I am a Secretor. You'll figure out a recipe eventually I'm sure. But thanks for the chuckle. I'll eat two of these per month and the cinnamon craving monster has settled down.
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Do you have an ice cream maker?


yes but have no book.. could I call you to discuss?

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If I was absolutely jonesin' for ice cream, and I KNEW that regular ice cream would make me very sick, I would experiment to come up with an alternative.
    I do not get sick at all .. but calories / carbs?? are they to be considered?? I think yes....

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What have you tried so far, Goldie?


staying away, seems to be best, but feels punitive.. and sometimes I do have on ice cream with cone.. feeling guilty, because: it can drive me out of bed at 11 at night.. that is where the addiction is on issue.. I HAVE no control over thinking at such a time -- I can only make better choices.. like less or exchange for 90% chocolate..    

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Do you like banana?
   I love frozen banana slices, but I try to reduce them to a minimum.. the same with prunes.. love them, but one is to many a thousand not enough..

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Have you tried the frozen banana trick (whir it up in a food processor with compliant flavorings)?  I still haven't tried that one, and I keep promising myself I will.


The only issue I have with most frozen things they are SOLID.. and I am afraid to use my bullet to crush the ices.. as for flavorings.. fruit would do it.. watermelon cut up, frozen is sold ice.. and still full of sugar/calories.

If I where to use fruits -- like carrot juice or orange juices (avoids) - it takes way to many to make a portion and then I am back to many calories..  

so, cocoa is a cheap calorie/carb wise flavoring.. drink or sprinkled.  

I think it comes down to home made Quark.. with buttermilk.. what does it look like? is it like that blue stuff? might it give me stomach pain?  I could try it.. and see..  

Buttermilk.. Serving Size 100g - 3 oz, 1 scoop?)
Calories 58 , Fat 2.07g ,  Carbs 5.48g , Protein 4.24g

I tried to look up equivalents for cream on google,, try it .. its near impossible to figure out.. my books say

Calories  maybe 195?     Carbs 1/2 cup 3.2     whipped 1/2 pint  3.g grams..

so what to decide.. GUILT FREE.. since I don't KNOW if cream in quark is avoid.. I will try buttermilk.. if it does not gross me out to look at it.. (had no white milk dairy for 35 years)  

maybe I make (rice) pudding add on egg, with one of these...  could be a good substitute!!!!!!
Amaranth
Artichoke Flour, Pasta ◊
Essene, Manna Bread ◊
Flaxseed Bread (containing allowable grains) ◊
Fonio
Job's Tears, Coix spp.
Kudzu
Larch Fiber
Quinoa
Teff
????????????????????? never had any of these... only quinoa, but it has no umpf.. needs to many additives to make it taste like anything.. might as well have chocolate..

(rice is neutral but puts me to sleep..

oh, the conundrum.. of guilt and waist line..  


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I am allowed 2 slices of bread or beans carbs a day.. I do not eat any grains, nor beans...

I eat protein powder 1 scoop 75 calories..  alternating with daily egg for breakfast..

I have 1 small fruit during in the day. Recently found 1 Diamond Guava satisfying... I am allowed 2 small fruits a day - even with diabetes, but on LOW carbs only 1 is allowed.  

Snacks are either some 90% chocolate, or (seldom -dream of) a scoop of choc ice cream with a sugar cone..


So you see: I have no grains and no other sugars, unless I eat a banana when visiting sis.


I can have some sweet or starch if I don't have another fruit.. So I could have some a scoop  of Quark on Swami - so with chocolate or some fruit flavor it could become ice cream .. guilt free .. IF ever I figure out what is better..


Something that is jumping out at me is that you don't seem to eat beans or grains.  Your carbohydrate intake is low, yet your body does need carbs.  I think that is what you are desperately craving, yet you select sweet foods to try and meed your carb need.  It seems that you are setting yourself up to lose control.  I'd rather see you eat beans and/or 1/2 cup of cooked grains (in the evening if they make you sleepy) than to wait until your body is demanding carbs and then trying to fight the compulsion to stay away from sweets/dairy.



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to wait until your body is demanding carbs and then trying to fight the compulsion to stay away from sweets/dairy.


So what is the difference if I eat some chocolate, or a scoop of ice cream instead of beans or starches... ?

Yes I could make rice pudding but it would be no more nor less compliant then either of the above.  I would add some sugar, be it in fruit or berries or some other flavor..

Like I started out with .. what is better? Or as I see it.. to some extent... it's not the food, but the IDEA of food that makes me the addict.. see it or think of it and I am a victim and do not wish to be.. SO WHAT is the lesser of evils???

PC please send me the text to the links via this PM site .. the other just does not arrive!!!


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As a nonnie...sugar is our poison...very much so.  

I am with Victoria on the (compliant) bread and (compliant) beans.   As a gatherer...Dr. D recommends these and he is right.   Beans are excellent for losing weight.   In small amounts like everything else that is NOT an AVOID.   Tooooo many avoids girl.   Really, really, really.  

To again quote jeanb...one avoid = one dress size.  

Debra

P.S. Chocolate has sugar and so does ice cream.


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