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The most depressing trait of this condition for me right now are the motorical problems like a poor sense of balance and losing grip for no reason. This is a neurological condition after all. I've had these traits since I was a child and the doctor who diagnosed me some ten years ago needed to know my full history. I have also been very poor in Maths (dyscalculia) but pretty good in some other skills. In this context "NT" means "neurologically typical/neurotypical" if someone wonders.


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Quoted from proto
The most depressing trait of this condition for me right now are the motorical problems like a poor sense of balance and losing grip for no reason. This is a neurological condition after all. I've had these traits since I was a child and the doctor who diagnosed me some ten years ago needed to know my full history. I have also been very poor in Maths (dyscalculia) but pretty good in some other skills. In this context "NT" means "neurologically typical/neurotypical" if someone wonders.


LocoMotor issues are not a problem for me when I'm on my own two feet.  It's a whole issue if you put me on skates, skateboard, waterborad - I'm hopeless

I do have a problem with keeping a straight line when I have to imagine the piece I cannot see like when nailing / screwing blindly from top to bottom or end to end.


Be who you are.  Those who mind don't matter, those who matter won't mind.

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in my very aspects NT means = intuition and thinking; related to the Myers-Briggs psychological tests...    btw... hugs y kuddos to you dearle half of mine in Finlandia

btw... remember all : we mustn't be at the demands nor expectancies of others!!!
Don't get into your own trap to... whatever... allopathic medicine is a beautiful garden of *fixing* handling things and *so called syndroms*... hey man become aware with what you're going to identify!!!! ......... individuation traits are heavy to come along with... they need and demand *a fine back*


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In my student teaching days (not too long ago, as I went back for a teaching degree later in life), I remember the kids who had aspergers all seemed to have motor issues.  I suppose it goes with the territory - in ways that we are learning more about all the time.  For what it's worth, those kids were my favorites, even though I wasn't supposed to have favorites, and was careful not to show favoritism.  But I couldn't help it, I just felt like I could relate to those kids on a certain level.  

Did you watch the film about Temple Grandin (Clare Danes plays her)?  Or have you seen any of her taped lectures or read her books?  She doesn't appear to have motor issues, but maybe she does.
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Yes, I finished watching the Temple Grandin movie and I liked it.
While I don't see things in pictures like Temple, I do share her frustration in people not understanding my thought patterns and way of thinking sometimes.  I also have trouble expressing myself emotionally sometimes when the situation is current.  Later I will figure the words to say, but it's usually too late.


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I scored 6 both times

The Kate Goldfield article doesn't resonate with me at all.
I'm am definitely not an introvert  

There is a thread here somewhere along the lines of  "you know you are a nonnie, if..." which for the most part didn't apply to me either.

Being a nonnie is part of who I am, but it's probably not the defining factor.


Tom, I can totally relate to Minnie777's post as quoted above.  The link provided does not resonate with me at all.  IMHO, while I appreciate your wanting to assign this to nonnies, I think it makes more sense to assign this to introverts, regardless of secretor status.

Maybe you should consider a poll for introvert, secretors and non-secretors and see where this goes    I would be interested to see the results!  Maybe being a nonnies enhances the introversion if that is the tendancy and maybe it enhances the extroversion of that is the tendancy.

All of this would be interesting to me.


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A good book is "Look Me In The Eye" by John Elder Robison, describing his own life with Asbergers.
(Augusten Burroughs' brother)
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scored 22 normal way. but have always been an analyser and record keeper.


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Tom, I can totally relate to Minnie777's post as quoted above.  The link provided does not resonate with me at all.  IMHO, while I appreciate your wanting to assign this to nonnies, I think it makes more sense to assign this to introverts......

All of this would be interesting to me.


I'm not saying for sure that there is a direct connection to Aspergers Syndrome, but there are a lot of similarities with the characteristics.


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Here's a test to find out autism spectrum traits in adults:

http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php



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Hm. I consistently score pretty high as an Aspie.

On the ISTJ Facebook group I'm on, someone asked if we all thought ISTJs were all on the spectrum.  It was a neat discussion.

I believe, like Proto says, it's a neurological thing.  I know that my symptoms are better when I eat right.  But just this morning I let my colors show.  We had some people over for lunch and my kids were swarming around me loudly requesting grape juice.  Instead, I opened the cabinet, pulled out my ear plug (for my left ear, the sensitive one), crammed it in and said to our guests, "Sorry, sensory overload."  They looked at me funny, but I sure felt better.  Only then was I physically able to stop shaking and pour the juice.


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...I remember the kids who had aspergers all seemed to have motor issues.


I was *always* the last person in elementary school chosen to be on a sports team.  I can't catch to save my life.  I'm always either too early or too late or the ball falls in a totally different place than I think it will.  I have no timing or spacial skills.  Funnily enough, I didn't have any trouble in band and was always at the top.  I did have a little trouble keeping a steady beat if I was playing a solo, but thankfully I usually played with a piano if I had a solo.


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Very interesting Tom...I took the test and scored 21.  


me too, but not positive about secretor status, haven't tesetd yet, but suspect I"m a nonnie due to my digestive issues.


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Here's a test to find out autism spectrum traits in adults:

http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php


I scored 176 out of 200.


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159/200  I don't really understand the chart though.


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I think a key to the chart is the left side is for "Normal" Neourotypical people and the right side is for people who are neurologically in the Aspergers camp.

So my chart has almost none of my polygon extending to the left side of the chart. But my polygon almost completely filled the right side of the chart.

You are a little more balanced than me, so you would have had some of your polygon area on the left, but still most of it would be on the right.




The chart also has an up and down dimension. The Intellectual/mental component is up and the perceiving/physical component is down.

I am primarily intellectual, but I have not yet managed to completely turn off my physical body yet, so while I hit the extreme edge for intellectual talent, my polygon still extended into the physical space.


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Yeah, there was a tiny bit in the left side.  "Hunting" on both sides was very low.  What does hunting mean (in this sense)?


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Note that hunting occurs on the right and left side.

Quoted from Neurotypical hunting

The traits in this group are related to cooperative hunting. These traits are often described in terms of dysfunctions. Typical traits are recollections of environmental information (e.g.
positions of things; scores in games; order of words, letters and digits; map reading) and passing on information to others (e.g. passing on messages; knowing left from right; dates and times
of events; remembering appointments and events; reading clocks and calendars; carrying over information between contexts). Other traits are related to trading and exchange with others (e.g.
calculating change from a purchase; knowing what to bring to appointments; remembering sequences of past events; remembering formulas; filling out forms).


Quoted from Aspie hunting

This group contains passive hunting traits. One part of the traits is related to preferred habitats (e.g. slowly flowing water; caves; woods; liking mist or fog). Another part seems to be
close-contact hunting traits (e.g. jumping over things; climbing; chasing animals; biting; enjoying spinning in circles; strong grip; strong hands; physical endurance; enjoying rodeo riders).
Some other traits are related to sneaking (e.g. sneaking through the woods; sneaking up on animals; walking on toes) and general hunting tactics (e.g. mimicking animal sounds; digging;
throwing small things; building traps; fascination for fire; sniffing)


How far out you are on the left hunting scale is determined by how you answered questions 113-118

How far out you are on the right hunting scale is determined by how you answered questions 105-112


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Thanks.  I guess I don't have much of that.     I have zero neurotypical talent.


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Quoted from Tom Martens
  If you are like me, I noticed on the very first question that “the way they asked the question doesn’t fit the answers provided.  It should be a yes or no type question to get the desired answer.”    



Tom, that's because the person who typed up the test was not the same Meyers-Briggs temperament type as you.   I'd be interested in seeing where you fall on that test.


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Hm. I consistently score pretty high as an Aspie.

On the ISTJ Facebook group I'm on, someone asked if we all thought ISTJs were all on the spectrum.  It was a neat discussion.


I am ISTJ and diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome (but I'm not on Facebook).




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