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are you sure candida is your problem and not SIBO?   (or both)


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I've had a sort of shift on this no-starch idea.  I think it's just grains and beans that are the problem for me.  Grains have prolamines, which are inflammatory to varying degrees.  Beans are full of fructans and galactans -- neither of which are digestible for humans but both of which are great food for the bacteria and yeast in the gut.


That is really good to know...thanks Where did you find that information TJ...I'd like to know more about the prolamines...
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are you sure candida is your problem and not SIBO?   (or both)
I can see it on my tongue every morning!  I'm working under these assumptions: (1) if it's growing on my tongue, it's overgrown in my gut, and (2) if I have a yeast overgrowth, I probably don't have a bacterial overgrowth, since they are competitive.  But you know what they say about assuming....
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That is really good to know...thanks Where did you find that information TJ...I'd like to know more about the prolamines...
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I can see it on my tongue every morning!  I'm working under these assumptions: (1) if it's growing on my tongue, it's overgrown in my gut, and (2) if I have a yeast overgrowth, I probably don't have a bacterial overgrowth, since they are competitive.  But you know what they say about assuming....


Have you tried Aquaflora?  I had systemic candida for 8 years and couldn't get rid of it no matter what I did - diet, diflucan, colloidal silver, garlic, etc.  Then I tried Aquaflora; it took the whole program, which lasts a couple months, but it got rid of it, and it hasn't come back.  It's completely natural, completely safe.  If you haven't tried it, I'd look into it.  I definitely had to do the whole program because I had tried it prior to that but hadn't finished all the bottles, and it hadn't worked.  It's not cheap, but it's not crazy expensive either, and to get rid of candida...any price is worth it!


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Have you tried Aquaflora?  I had systemic candida for 8 years and couldn't get rid of it no matter what I did - diet, diflucan, colloidal silver, garlic, etc.  Then I tried Aquaflora; it took the whole program, which lasts a couple months, but it got rid of it, and it hasn't come back.  It's completely natural, completely safe.  If you haven't tried it, I'd look into it.  I definitely had to do the whole program because I had tried it prior to that but hadn't finished all the bottles, and it hadn't worked.  It's not cheap, but it's not crazy expensive either, and to get rid of candida...any price is worth it!


This? http://www.kingbio.com/store/catalog/-High-Potency-9-p-16369.html

It contains aloe, onion, and garlic, all thing I should avoid.
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This? http://www.kingbio.com/store/catalog/-High-Potency-9-p-16369.html

It contains aloe, onion, and garlic, all thing I should avoid.


No, I've never even heard of that.  It's this
http://www.kingbio.com/store/catalog/Aqua-Flora-High-Potency-p-16311.html
There are several "phases".  If I remember right, you take 2 bottles of this one (high potency) first, then 2 bottles of Phase I, and then 2 bottles of Phase II.


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Oh, I just looked up the ingredients, and the high potency does have aloe and garlic, but it's homeopathic so it doesn't physically contain those things - not like eating them.  Trust me, I could not have taken it if it had garlic (fructmal nightmare).  I would recommend using the high potency, but you don't have to.  The Phase I and Phase II just contain deionized water and a homeopathic dilution of candida albicans


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That one also contains aloe and garlic: http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=5622.  Nevertheless, thanks for the suggestions!  Victoria suggested I try Candidase.  I think I'm going to go with that one once I have funds to spare.

I changed my mind about freezing the beans, and I finished up the last of them yesterday.  Now I'll see what happens.  I'm still eating peas, for now.  They are in a different genus, Pisum, than beans, which are mostly in the genus Phaseolus or Vigna, so I hope I won't have to abandon peas, too.
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That one also contains aloe and garlic: http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=5622.  Nevertheless, thanks for the suggestions!  Victoria suggested I try Candidase.  I think I'm going to go with that one once I have funds to spare.


Did you read the previous post?  It's homeopathic; it doesn't physically contain aloe or garlic


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Oh, I just looked up the ingredients, and the high potency does have aloe and garlic, but it's homeopathic so it doesn't physically contain those things - not like eating them.  Trust me, I could not have taken it if it had garlic (fructmal nightmare).  I would recommend using the high potency, but you don't have to.  The Phase I and Phase II just contain deionized water and a homeopathic dilution of candida albicans


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Did you read the previous post?  It's homeopathic; it doesn't physically contain aloe or garlic
No, somehow I missed it!  How can in contain them but not contain them???
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Have you tried Aquaflora?  I had systemic candida for 8 years and couldn't get rid of it no matter what I did - diet, diflucan, colloidal silver, garlic, etc.  Then I tried Aquaflora; it took the whole program, which lasts a couple months, but it got rid of it, and it hasn't come back.  It's completely natural, completely safe.  If you haven't tried it, I'd look into it.  I definitely had to do the whole program because I had tried it prior to that but hadn't finished all the bottles, and it hadn't worked.  It's not cheap, but it's not crazy expensive either, and to get rid of candida...any price is worth it!


I used that several years ago too Brinky, and it was the ONLY thing that worked for me as well...I tried everything else...
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No, somehow I missed it!  How can in contain them but not contain them???


It's homeopathic. I'm not sure exactly how it works, but the idea of homeopothy is to start out with a small amount of a substance in water. Then it's "made more potent" by being diluted. A drop of the original mixture is put in a large amount of pure water, shaken up, then a drop of that is used in a fresh batch of water, etc. In the end, you're left with something that doesn't have a single molecule of the original substance in it, yet still holds its "energy".

A very scientific-oriented man, with a very natural-oriented wife, once told me that homeopathics worked by "magic." That was his way of saying that the products clearly worked (as evidenced by their effectiveness on his own family) but he had no scientific explanation as to how or why.


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I used that several years ago too Brinky, and it was the ONLY thing that worked for me as well...I tried everything else...


That's awesome, but don't tell me, tell TJ!

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Look up some stuff about homeopathy to understand it.  At the time I used it I didn't even know that Aquaflora is homeopathic, and it wouldn't have mattered because I didn't even know what homeopathy was - I just know it worked (as does linda, apparently)


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Here's what Dr. D says about non-secretors and Candida
Candida infection

Based upon this tendency of Non-secretor saliva to not only fail to prevent attachment of Candida., but maybe actually promote the binding of Candida to your tissue, we would expect that research would show higher tendency to Candida problems among Non-secretors. This is what we find to be true. Non-secretors are much more likely to be carriers of Candida and to have problems with persistent infections. Blood type O Non-secretors might be the most affected of the Non-secretor blood types, since Candida also appears to have an easier time colonizing (attaching to) the blood type O antigen.

from here: http://www.dadamo.com/program_advanced_secretor.htm

TJ I agree with Brinky re: the Aquaflora...I had a terrible long standing problem some time ago and tried all the diets and many treatments, but the only thing that worked was the Aquaflora...Brinky told me to tell you.... I might be tempted to use it long enough to get well even though it has some avoids for you...it has no taste and is very easy to use. I tried everything else...nothing worked, then since you're on the diet you won't be eating bad sugars and you should stay well...it is short term. I do not advocate taking antibiotics either, however, there are rare instances when they are necessary...to get well. Anyway just my 2 cents worth.

Brinky the Candida is one more thing that alludes to the idea that you might be a nonnie...
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Another important point about Aquaflora - unlike most candida treatments (or treatments for anything, really) homeopathy does not attack the problem itself, it stimulates your body to heal itself.  So Aquaflora is not some crazy candida attacking substance; it increases your own body's ability to correct the flora imbalance.

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Brinky the Candida is one more thing that alludes to the idea that you might be a nonnie...


I did have quite a go with it; it started after taking really strong antibiotics for pneumonia, tonsilitis, and bronchitis that I had all at once   I don't know how I managed that one (maybe because I'm secretely a nonnie?).  Anyway I'm GLAD it's over

Linda, have you had any problems with candida coming back after using Aquaflora?  I went through a bit (ok, more than a bit) of a lapse in diet at one point and was scarffing down sugar like it was going out of style.  I thought surely that was the end, but thank goodness I had no candida recurrance at all (and I'm totally off sugar now )



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Linda, have you had any problems with candida coming back after using Aquaflora?  I went through a bit (ok, more than a bit) of a lapse in diet at one point and was scarffing down sugar like it was going out of style.  I thought surely that was the end, but thank goodness I had no candida recurrance at all (and I'm totally off sugar now )


No I haven't and I've had sugar too though I drastically cut my intake. I was bad too from time to time...but no it never came back, and If it had at least I knew of a treatment that would work...
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In addition to being grain-free, I am now also bean-free.  My last serving of beans was on May 31 (Monday).

Since eliminating beans, I've increased my intake of peas, bananas, and other fruit.  I even had sweet potatoes last night and this morning.  I'm now pretty sure that the problem was not with starch in general, but with grains and beans in particular.  I seem to be handling these other starches just fine.

I've noticed two changes already.  First, and not exactly pleasant, is that I feel hungry all the time, except right after eating.  Second, and more pleasant, is that I'm more aware of what my digestive system is doing; it seems to be working better.  Maybe these two things are opposite sides of the same coin, i.e. working "better" means working "faster", which means my stomach is emptying sooner, which makes me feel hungry sooner.  Whatever is going on, I feel better for it ... provided that I can get enough to eat!
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beans are for weenies anyway  (lame pun intended )


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