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Goldie
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I called Dr D's PNS (Personalized Nutrition Store) and ordered the special item for Acid reflux.  I will take it for 2 month, hoping to show the MD that I can do without the Prilosec type stuff he was going to prescribe -- but which I am not accepting.

I  often go to sleep for 1.5 'nap' after lunch (bored to tears) or after dinner can't stay awake..I will stop that as of today.. I will remain UPRIGHT for 3 hours after lunch and dinner meals.

but what else can I do??

will the plum vinegar help the digestion issues? should i eat a little for lunch and dinner? as a neutralizing acid medicine?

same question about elderberry juice will it help or hurt/

I drink liquids most often before eating.. or 20 minutes after.. will the elderberry juice neutralize or do what?

I have had this for a while and I told the MD that I only eat BTD, but I would just love to blow him out of the water by curing myselve during the next exactly 28 days.!!

thanks for help.  goldie.    


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Are you eating enough meat?  Are you eating the meat first before the rest of your meal?


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I eat enough meat but not before the vegetables.. why are you suggesting that??

I am a meat eater for sure..am trying to eat more veggies to cut the amount of meat..


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Let the acid work on the meat first where it's needed.
No water or other beverages either.


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ok..and i just checked with SWAMI.. and low and behold.. its now saying much less meat.. only 4 times a week. ... will add turkey again.. might make a difference.  

interesting idea of separating the foods.. might actually be another great idea. thanks


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Since reading ER4YT for the first time I have been keeping a jar of Bladderwrack capsules (Solgar's "Kelp") as a first aid for acid reflux - Dr. D's magical remedy    Acid reflux had been my worst evident health condition at the time, and disappeared shortly after beginning BTD.

It did come back in the hardest times of GI tract havoc, and then I always treated it successfully with a capsule or two - and drinking a lot of water. It does work like magic.

I may be wrong, but I relate it to excess of sugar in the GI tract. Recently I don't get acid reflux at all, and I relate this to adequate consumption of veggies.


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Goldie, have you tried Deflect O and Intrinsa?

They may bring you peace and quiet.  


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Goldie I am still struggling with reflux too. I hear of some people who seem to have it disappear the minute they start eating right, but it hasn't worked for me, even though I am 100% compliant most days. I think lately that my worst enemy is eating too much at a time. I am underweight if anything and am always trying to eat as much as I can, but it does make the feeling in my throat so much worse when I eat past the point of feeling that I have eaten enough. I am trying to eat smaller portions more regularly. I think that ginger juice does help to some extent - just grate it and squeeze the pulp through a tiny sieve and drink about a teaspoonful of the juice before meals.

I am also very careful not to lie down after eating for at least 2 to 3 hours and I suspect that's what caused it in the first place.

Good luck and if you find something that really gets rid of it once and for all, please let me know.
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I ordered whatever NAP advise.. it will arrive in the mail today.

My throat is sore from it .. let it go for two month at least.. but checked it out yesterday and confirmed it.  

I agree I think it is from over-eating.. even though as a role I don't stuff my self.. BUT I DO STUFF my self- I am certain that I always finish my plate.  I read that Gatheres are in a constant state of Hypoglicima evn after a meal.. I think this is so much more important than most anything I ever read.. IT TOTALLY confirms what I felt all my life.  NO WONDER I GRAZE.. now wonder so many things.. the fear of being hungry, eating in defence of getting hungry.

SO maybe learning more about hypoglycemia might be really helpful.

Eating LESS - I have cut my portions already, but possibly cutting them in half one more time might be the right thing.  LIke I think meat now only one meal at a time.. and turkey maybe add it back again for some days... using the protein powder in place of breakfast maybe.. I think its suggested for the WEIGHT loss protocol.  Cutting the food in half.. is not meaning eating inadequite as that would freek me out, (I never OVER eat by portion size by other peoples standards.) but I graze more often..

In my Gatheres being I am thinking that the DIABETES is kicking up, allowing the body not to heal as fast as it once did.  This is on illness that WE GATHERES with short legs shoud try to avoid every whioch way!!! more importnat than anything lese.  its a misery .. not for the needles or the testing but for the damage it does..

Heads up PLease.  all the little discomforts I can talk about are all related to this insideous illness that I pushed out by at least 10 years according to my doctor __ with BTD.. but IT is still in not enough.  those who are gatheres really need to learn much more about this.. and its not just about not eating sugar.. its much more then that.. sorry to be lecturing... but I wish GATHERERS  will learn  
from my what I concider my MIS fortune that will cost me THOUSANDS in dollars of all sorts of stuff. UNAVOIDABLY.. I feel no guilt _ and I feel anger - but most of all I feel dissapointed that there is not enough PREVENTION talked about for 20 year olds.. OK enough for today.
  


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I hear of some people who seem to have it disappear
    apparently not referring to my testimonial    
Quoted from Ladyhawk58
the minute they start eating right
shortly after please
Quoted from Ladyhawk58
I hear of some people who seem to have it disappear the minute they start eating right
some individuals



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Goldie, did PNS suggest Gastro-D to you? I had a really bad case of acid reflux prior to adopting the BTD. Very soon after starting to eat right, my acid reflux problem went away for about 80%... The rest was taken care of by Gastro-D  




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Sorry Yaeli, it was just a broad statement, as I have seen quite a few people say in their posts that they have had reflux disappear very quickly after adjusting their eating to the BTD or GTD. I was not referring to what you said at all really and I certainly didn't mean to offend you. I was concentrating on what Goldie had said and was not intending to imply anything with regard to any of your comments.
It is hard sometimes to see comments from people who have had such great success with eliminating their GERD symptoms quite quickly, whereas 9 months down the track I still have it and wonder when it will go away for me. I do realise though that we are all different, so please don't think I was disbelieving of your results at all.
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How much water do you drink? How much complex carbohydrates do you eat and when? Can you go without them now after doing BTD? Before with diabetes I am sure going without carbohydrates caused problems. Now could you fast off them without shooting blood sugar through the roof? If possible I think it would be worth it to maybe try going a day with no more than one serving in the morning to let your body relax and perhaps recover from insulin reception issues.

Sleeping after a meal to me means either you are getting what you need to actually relax or your blood sugar is dropping too rapidly.

I fear you have inflammation that is causing the entire issue, still. Remission from diabetes happens all the time but it appears to me it requires first improving health substantially and then giving the body a chance to catch up by backing off the carbohydrates for brief times. That is probably why raw foodist have been known to see remission in diabetes; they get their health up high by decent gut flora and no lack of vegetable nutrients and then their body recovers from working too hard to deal with blood sugar all the time. However we know the effects are temporary, relatively.

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/25102

You could consider trying some supplements like Bromelain. I would take it on an empty stomach and perhaps by mixing it into water out of capsule or some sort of food. I find most pills mix poorly in water.


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http://www.enzymedica.com/products/Acid_Soothe

This product was extremely effective in helping me heal from years of acid reflux.  It's an excellent quick fix to stop the reflux and give the body a chance to heal.

Beyond that, some basic food combining principles might be helpful or necessary to stop this cycle.

Don't combine concentrated proteins with concentrated starches.  They need different conditions to digest.  
Don't mix fruits with other foods throughout the day; you may get fermentation going on.



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Sorry Yaeli, it was just a broad statement, as I have seen quite a few people say in their posts that they have had reflux disappear very quickly after adjusting their eating to the BTD or GTD. I was not referring to what you said at all really and I certainly didn't mean to offend you. I was concentrating on what Goldie had said and was not intending to imply anything with regard to any of your comments.
It is hard sometimes to see comments from people who have had such great success with eliminating their GERD symptoms quite quickly, whereas 9 months down the track I still have it and wonder when it will go away for me. I do realise though that we are all different, so please don't think I was disbelieving of your results at all.
Thanks Ladyhawk58, I appreciate this. GERD is terrible. I clearly remember my first fit in 1997 (or 1998 ), when I rushed to ER fearing I was having a heart attack. I also believe that too much food is one cause, and that separating foods according to food combining rules may work against it. I do hope that you find soon a way out of it - for good.



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Agree with DoS and Victoria, enzymes may help, lack of may be why you're feeling tired after a meal.  Also try food combining and see what applies to you.  I can't have fruit with other types of food personally - except the enzyme containing pineapple or papaya.

I had reflux for a long time and even had erosive reflux from a choking incident (added later how could I forget also had H Pylori!) and because of that ended up sleeping on a wedge (stops it coming up at night) (or you could tilt you bed up at the head). Took the meds for a few months to help the erosion heal.  Took a long time but it healed and it's pretty much gone now, came for a reminder visit yesterday when I didn't take my morning calcium tablets (body is acidic in the morning) and had overdone the meat lately and underdone the veggies a bit (acidic).  Also had one coffee recently

For me, reflux was a symptom of my body being in a state of acidosis, so I increased acid buffering calcium and magnesium (I also had low levels of calcium in blood tests) as well as diet modification.  (Kelp is high in magnesium btw might be why it works yaeli?!)  
When I finished the meds and was still suffering, I just dissolved a teaspoon of bicarb of soda in water when it got really bad - much better than the antacids that are expensive and contain aluminium most of them.  One before bed and upon waking in the morning and it really helped.  But beware don't take bicarb while there's digestion going on as it will empty the stomach contents out too quickly.  It's a quick way of alkalinising but diet is a much better way.  

Try reducing:
tomatoes,
grains, (most are acidic and can cause the sphincter to stay open)
fatty foods especially chocolate,
coffee and caffeine overall even green tea.  

Try increasing:
Green juices are supposedly good,
More fruits and vegetables (most are alkaline)!


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How about a plan.

Spend a day with no more than a quarter cup cooked grains if your diabetes status will allow it. Take bromelain and drink way more water than you normally would in between meals.

1 meal meat and vegetables
1 meal grains and vegetables (not for dinner)
1 meal vegetables and 1/4 beans.
Lots of water, the full recommended amount any legitimate source says for a day. 8-10 glasses.

Sit on your butt that day and relax.
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sorry if I've missed something. but acid reflux is a fancy word for eating the wrong food or the wrong combination of foods, too much sugar, too much fruit, etc etc. meat and starch, meat and the wrong fruit etc.

I suggest you clean you diet up further for a week. have smaller more frequent meals, and no acid forming fruit, cakes or grain.

so eat fruit alone on an empty stomach, and ony one fruit at a time.

eat meat and veg then in a nother meal if you must eat starch or carbs eat them with veg but no meat.

do not eat fruit after a meal and cut out all obviously troublesome grains like hwaet, corn, etc.

no ice cream, and no sweet fruits for a week. if that solves the problem learn from it. oxo

drink water a half hour before meals and not with meals.

do not drink any fruit juice, even a small amount in a tin of fruit pieces.


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Eating the wrong food may cause the problems but healing is not just avoiding things. The best healing is based out of taking action that leads too it. Those actions may  be eating the right things, getting the right exercise, or doing yoga/meditation regularly. They can also be giving the body a moment to reboot.

When you get the flu it is common for the body to make it very hard to eat much. If you think about it this can smart because the body has more important things to deal with for a brief time period.

What I am suggesting is letting the body take a brief break and heal a bit more.

Some reasoning? Too much stomach acid would be unlikely for one. It would imply her body just makes too much so it comes up out of the stomach for no apparent reason. She eats well and it is unlike she has some defect in particular that makes that happen. However inflammation of the intestines and organs that deal with digestion is more than likely.

Backing off and allowing these particular organs to heal or divert their attention to cellular function will allow them to handle the load of regular eating. However if you never let up off them then it seems like a state of stasis is continued. Again this is probably why raw foodist see remission of diabetes - there is little to cause inflammation, all inflammation from the intestines is reduced to nearly nothing as gut flora corrects itself (or dies off with no food), but the body is fed well with nutrients it needs to repair and function correctly in a cellular sense. Unfortunately after a splint of healing the lack of other nutrient quantities will take its toll at some time. My point being if you can give your body a chance to heal after providing it with all the tools, it probably will do its best. If you keep it under constant pressure then it does not stand a chance.

We all know that what we can do for ourselves is more important than avoiding every last thing. 80% compliance is considered to be good enough to be a stable happy person, according to Dr. D. Now if you want to make Goldie beat herself up over and over about every last possible avoid and or neutral there happens to be well... Mental ability to stress the body is powerful. This just sounds like punishment. I am not saying for her to eat a corn, milk, wheat cake, but to worry a little less about what she is doing wrong. To me she is doing exactly what she should be but may need to give her body a chance to come up to speed with all of this new found nutrients and lack of toxins. This concept is when people start the diabetes book as Type A switching to higher carbohydrate he recommends some milk thistle because the toxin load is hard on the liver. I see my suggestion as being the same principle.

Think of it like giving too much food to someone who has been starving (or has been dealing with diabetes which has complications that starve the body in ways). They will get sick. If you ween them onto food as best you can with what is easy to process they will recover.

After all we all know that our bodies at earlier times were more or less a furnace for burning food and even though we know it eventually hurt us... we can work at recovering this statement of health and not abuse it again. Remission not cooping is the real goal. Remission is healing, cooping is not.
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Although I still vote that what good exercise does for the movement of blood, hormones, and all the above for insulin reception is not to be overlooked.
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Manuka honey works for me for gastric reflux but I haven't totally gotten rid of this issue. It comes and goes.  I just don't think honey as food would be a great idea for someone like Goldie who is diabetic.  But LadyHawk58, do can you eat honey?

http://www.manukahoneyusa.com/CustomerTestimonies.htm

For some people, I think it's H pylori that causes the reflux problem and manuka is good for that.
For others it's a hiatal hernia and not a bacterial thing....or eating too much at one time...being upset while eating...I find I can go a long while and not have any reflux and suddenly, many days in a row and I can't seem to get rid of it.  I've been eating right for a long while. I sometimes totally
lose my appetite and can't eat at all....skip a meal and suddenly, the reflux is gone.

I also wonder if many people are just deficient in HCL....and/or digestive enzymes.  There is some HCL in one of my Teacher supplements.  Good for digestion.  So is bromelain.


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Chloe - I can only have max. 1 tsp of honey a day. It is a superfood, but only in tiny amounts.

Maybe I need to try food combining. I already only eat fruit on its own, never after other food, but I do tend to eat several fruits together. I must admit though that some of the fruits like avocadoes, cucumber, pumpkin etc. I usually do have with other foods as they are considered salad and main meal type foods and not usually thought of as fruits.

I find it hard not to drink close to eating because some supplements (all BTD type ones) need to be taken with food so I need water to get them down. I think I'll give those ones a miss for a while.


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I find it hard not to drink close to eating because some supplements (all BTD type ones) need to be taken with food so I need water to get them down. I think I'll give those ones a miss for a while.
For this reason I now take all my supplements either with food or as is. I empty the capsules on/into the food, or into a tablespoon and sip a little water afterwards. It was quite difficult for me at the beginning and it took me a couple of months and Lola's kind support to get there. Foods to which I add supps these days (powder and liquid) are: omlette, nut butters, millet, rice, blended vegetable soup. To ease on the strong taste I sometimes add a little blackstrap molasses or add another half portion of food. I grew used to some supplements and like them enough to take them as is: Polyflora, CLA Formula, CoQ10 (liquid), Histona, even Ocubright. This way I gain a lot of peace of mind.


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That's a good idea Yaeli, emptying the capsules onto the food - I will go try that now, thanks.  
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I ordered whatever NAP advise.. it will arrive in the mail today.

My throat is sore from it .. let it go for two month at least.. but checked it out yesterday and confirmed it.  

I agree I think it is from over-eating.. even though as a role I don't stuff my self.. BUT I DO STUFF my self- I am certain that I always finish my plate.  I read that Gatheres are in a constant state of Hypoglicima evn after a meal.. I think this is so much more important than most anything I ever read.. IT TOTALLY confirms what I felt all my life.  NO WONDER I GRAZE.. now wonder so many things.. the fear of being hungry, eating in defence of getting hungry.

SO maybe learning more about hypoglycemia might be really helpful.

Eating LESS - I have cut my portions already, but possibly cutting them in half one more time might be the right thing.  LIke I think meat now only one meal at a time.. and turkey maybe add it back again for some days... using the protein powder in place of breakfast maybe.. I think its suggested for the WEIGHT loss protocol.  Cutting the food in half.. is not meaning eating inadequite as that would freek me out, (I never OVER eat by portion size by other peoples standards.) but I graze more often..

In my Gatheres being I am thinking that the DIABETES is kicking up, allowing the body not to heal as fast as it once did.  This is on illness that WE GATHERES with short legs shoud try to avoid every whioch way!!! more importnat than anything lese.  its a misery .. not for the needles or the testing but for the damage it does..

Heads up PLease.  all the little discomforts I can talk about are all related to this insideous illness that I pushed out by at least 10 years according to my doctor __ with BTD.. but IT is still in not enough.  those who are gatheres really need to learn much more about this.. and its not just about not eating sugar.. its much more then that.. sorry to be lecturing... but I wish GATHERERS  will learn  
from my what I concider my MIS fortune that will cost me THOUSANDS in dollars of all sorts of stuff. UNAVOIDABLY.. I feel no guilt _ and I feel anger - but most of all I feel dissapointed that there is not enough PREVENTION talked about for 20 year olds.. OK enough for today.
  


hey goldie,
Do you eat nuts?  That gives me reflux & always around 4am.  Don't know why, also for me some of the NAP sups also give me reflux.  I don't know why but I seem to have a problem not eating nuts, I love them.  When the reflux comes back I stop eating nuts.
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