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Goldie
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if one was predicted to get a heart issue what could be used in place of aspirins which is not good for O's..

or another way : if one felt some discomfort could one prevent further tissue damage  by taking some thing here..   or is the only option official medicines?  

if one was  having heart issues, is medicine the only avenue open?

could one take Vit E in place of aspirin?

would one be able to use cayenne pepper to open capillaries??


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I received an email from someone about this. It said if you feel chest pain coming on, cough very hard, it can save your life, it will help to bide your time till help comes. I still get the odd chest pain related to hormones that time of month. It works for that for me. I have heard about putting cayenne under the tongue.
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they even mentioned that the so called *baby aspro* might prevent ...cancer issues sorry I don't agree for O's it might only agravate bleedings while having be operated...and being a stoma patient ...


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may lead to hemorrhage in already fluid O blood......best for As


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correct me if I am wrong but did someone post that the juice of 5 lemons in water was better than aspirin/warfarin for type O's
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If you're having a heart attack (i.e. a blood clot in one of your coronary arteries), is thin "O" blood really a concern at that moment?  I'm not so sure about that.  If you live through the heart attack, then you can complain about the ulcers.
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http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2008/08/26/deep-vein-thrombosis-in-type-o?blog=27

coumadin, yes

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One of my teachers, John Bastyr, used to say that the juice of 5 lemons equaled a pharmacologic dose of anti-coagulants.


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I like the idea of lemon juice.. especially during a long flight..

what exactly is a heart attack?..always from a blood clot?  


meaning if one has a slight pain on the left side where the heart is, is that from  a blood clot? always?  

are other reasons able to cause pain?  not big pain, just a feeling of nagging pain? not going to the arm for instance..

I am kind of talking about symptoms maybe before the big one.. like warnings pains? like maybe being out of breath, or higher heartbeat (90)?

No worries so long as blood pressure is 120/70?  .. what numbers / WHEN to start to worry ?

What should people educating themselves HERE know in advance or a heart attack?..
.. we here are educated about many things .. this seems to be a vague guessing or awaiting for when it happens..


STROCKE questions also:
what also is the difference about a heart attack versus a strocke?  Is a strocke just a clot going to the brain?  or is it a form of a strocke when in a foot a large clot does not move up and the foot starts to die?...

Do veins ever bust (in the brain) without clots? and is that a strocke??

(after taking 2 aspirin, the slight nagging pain went away.. )  

WOULD having oxigen handy help for anything?  like lessening the severe pain in a real heart/muscle attack?  In other places they sell small Oxygen bottles (like hair spray) for climbers, would having such on item be a good thing to have available??  
  


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I have very serious heart disease in my family (aunt, uncles, father and siblings.)  I am a Type O and if I thought I was having a heart attack, I would take the baby aspirin.  They would give you a blood thinner if you needed bypass surgery or any type of procedure.  My brother (type A) had a heart attack.  The aspirin saved his life.  It's important to find a balance between natural medicine and traditional medicine, particularly when it could mean the difference between life and death.  Just my opinion . . .

Also, Goldie, there is something that women in particular get that can cause chest pain.  It is caused by inflammation of the chest wall.  I experienced this last fall.  If it hurts to palpate your chest area, you may be experiencing this inflammation.  Bottom line, don't mess with it.  Go get it checked out!


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I think I had heard that aspirin is not recommended for prevention anymore (even by mainstream medicine) but that it is possibly effective DURING a heart attack.

I would not be diagnosing and treating even a mild heart attack myself. That's where going to the ER is the right thing to do. I might take an aspirin while the ambulance came-- though we don't have any here.  

Web MD might be a place to look about signs and symptoms of a heart attack.


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My mother was originally put on warfarin/coumadin for irregular heart beat to thin blood. They said at the time that it would thin the blood and make it easier to flow in old less flexible arteries/veins, they also said that it was good at breaking down plaque in the blood lines.
They switched to aspirin as she had alot of troubles with falls/fainting spells due to low blood pressure and they were afraid that the coumadin would cause a brain hemorage with falling.
The coumadin was very rough as her 'inr blood test' varied so much from week-week. They said that this happened in 40-50% of cases, as she is type O+ everyone on this forum knows why.
She also has a dvt in one of her legs, I am curious about the question about the leg dying if teh dvt keeps getting bigger..
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I had a mild heart attack, it was pressure in the heart area, and weakness, to the point, of needing, to go to bed, (I did not know I was having a heart attack,due to the health problems I was having at that time mainly COPD and on oxygen.  I was caring for my grandchildren, told them I had to lay down and to call me every five minutes and if I didn't answer to call 911. They did this and I rested, I thought I was just exhausted, and slept one and off for a few days.  I Found Out later, when I believe an echo..... was done, that I had a mild heart attack, in the pass, and figured that was when it happened.

Angina is another thing to consider, it's like a pain in the heart and then it goes away til the next time, Had that too, years ago. I was in my thirties, then.

There's also, anxiety, and indigestion, that all focuses around the heart area, with a racing heart beat, that I calmed down by drinking ice water.

I realized, it's nothing to fool with, getting checked out asap, is most important, and yes I did take aspirin 3 regular bayer aspirin, before I laid down to rest.
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Quoted from Goldie
I like the idea of lemon juice.. especially during a long flight..

what exactly is a heart attack?..always from a blood clot?  


meaning if one has a slight pain on the left side where the heart is, is that from  a blood clot? always?  

are other reasons able to cause pain?  not big pain, just a feeling of nagging pain? not going to the arm for instance..

I am kind of talking about symptoms maybe before the big one.. like warnings pains? like maybe being out of breath, or higher heartbeat (90)?

No worries so long as blood pressure is 120/70?  .. what numbers / WHEN to start to worry ?

What should people educating themselves HERE know in advance or a heart attack?..
.. we here are educated about many things .. this seems to be a vague guessing or awaiting for when it happens..


STROCKE questions also:
what also is the difference about a heart attack versus a strocke?  Is a strocke just a clot going to the brain?  or is it a form of a strocke when in a foot a large clot does not move up and the foot starts to die?...

Do veins ever bust (in the brain) without clots? and is that a strocke??

(after taking 2 aspirin, the slight nagging pain went away.. )  

WOULD having oxigen handy help for anything?  like lessening the severe pain in a real heart/muscle attack?  In other places they sell small Oxygen bottles (like hair spray) for climbers, would having such on item be a good thing to have available??  
  


check the thyroid (TSH, fT3, fT4, antibodies) and your iodine intake. Iodine is everywhere in our food and may cause a lot of problems (blood pressure jumping up and down, pain in the right chest, heart pain, being out of breath, higher heartbeat, anxiety, panic)

I had all this symptoms and they might be because of a too high iodine intake which comes slowly when unnoted and strikes rapidly. I thougth I would die.

Also you can add a daily dosis of magnesium to your diet. It might help your heart to relax.
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read the cardio book Goldie.....short and easy to follow


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Goldie,

Yes, a heart attack is when a part of your heart muscle isn't getting any (or enough) blood to keep working.  A heart attack results part of your heart tissue dying.  It's caused by blockages in the arteries that supply blood to the heart muscle itself (i.e. coronary arteries).  If these are blocked by a blood clot or plaque or whatever, that can cause a heart attack.
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good answers all.. I am still only slightly concerned as it is a seemingly very localized area over my left breast actually.. not inside,,

interestingly the 2 aspirin has helped, but I would not know if it just took whatever pain away, or actually that the blood thinned and then the pain went away..

it's a minor issue,but I realized that I know little other then just the main symptoms.. like severe pain severe shortness of breath and jaw pain and arm pain ,, all of which I don't have (yet)..

I have the cardio book, will read it in a day or so..

I am wondering which of the supps are the replacement for the aspirin, and for O's is that even a good idea..

If I am going to do all the heart - supps and the diabetes supps then I will be broke before I start.. and have no need for other food..

It will be interesting how I will balance  all the body needs..

I might actually have to go and be tested on a ZYTO.com as it will show from my placing my hand on it.. what actual sups might be needed and are a must versus others not being as important..

In my case manganese is usually the first line of defense, but like mentioned above, magnesium and iodine might be a good thing to check.. the Zyto can do that.

I wish I could buy one of these machines.. would be interesting next to my other work with health waves...    


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Goldie,

The symptoms for women are different than they are for men.  My cardiologist, Dr. Malissa Wood, specializes in Women's Heart Health at Mass General Hospital and is part of the Go Red campaign aimed at educating women about heart disease.  

http://www.goredforwomen.org

She was on the Today Show.  If you follow the link below and go to Go Red in the News, you will find several different videos of Go Red in the news.  Dr. Wood is in the video, top row, second from the left on the Today Show.  They go over the warning signs for women.

http://www.goredforwomen.org/grfw-tv/index.aspx

I am sure the other videos will be helpful as well.  Women tend to think it might be something else and it is to their detriment.  Understand the warning signs, and see your doctor.  Dr. D's cardio book is great but it is no substitute for a visit to the doctor to look at the symptoms you are concerned about.  I have it too and am following the suggestions!


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once you run your swami, ask for the highly recommended sups, considering your health history

or try
http://www.northamericanpharmacal.com/PNC/productguide.html
NAP provides an online guide to help people in selecting the right supplements.
Designed for touch-screen, but also works via mouse click as well
tell it to print the 'highly recommended' ones.


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Dr. Oz says taking a shot of olive oil every day is a good way to keep the arteries running smoothly.
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olive oil.. i need to put it in grapefruit juice.. now that woudl be a combo..

worth a try.. to see if I would gag..

might be a good test before my next visit to the doc. in 2 month when I take the blood test again..  

I am less concerned that it is serious NOW but in time it could be.. so the links and discussion helps at least to learn what all can be a warning.. or better how to prevent it..

thanks for the links.. ya all..


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we all get our shot of olive oil if we follow our recommendations and frequency guidelines....


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I just received this email.. the link is worth looking at as he pictures actually help to see what is talked about....


You may have seen this before, but if not it's worth reading.

http://www.holisticonline.com/remedies/heart/heart_attack_identifying.htm



I hope this info may be of help if needed, but may it never be needed


A NURSE'S HEART ATTACK EXPERIENCE
>
I am an ER nurse and this is the best description of this event that I have
ever heard. Please read, pay attention, and send it on!
>
FEMALE HEART ATTACKS
>
I was aware that female heart attacks are different, but this is the
best description I've ever read.
>
Women and heart attacks (Myocardial Infarction). Did you know that women rarely have the same dramatic symptoms that men have when experiencing heart attack?
>
You know, the sudden stabbing pain in the chest, the cold sweat, grabbing the chest and dropping to the floor that we see in the movies?
>
Here is the story of one woman's experience with a heart attack.
>
"I had a heart attack at about 10:30 PM with NO prior exertion, NO
prior emotional trauma that one would suspect might have brought it on.
>      
I was sitting all snugly and warm on a cold evening, with my purring
cat in my lap, reading an interesting story my friend had sent me, and
actually thinking, 'A-A-h, this is the life', all cozy and warm in my
soft, cushy Lazy Boy with my feet propped up.
>
A moment later, I felt that awful sensation of indigestion, when you've been in a hurry and grabbed a bite of sandwich and washed it down with a dash of water, and that hurried bite seems to feel like you've swallowed a golf ball going down the esophagus in slow motion and it is most uncomfortable. You realize you shouldn't have gulped it down so fast and needed to chew it more thoroughly and this time drink a glass of water to hasten its progress down to the stomach. This was my           initial sensation---the only trouble was that I hadn't taken a bite of           anything since about 5:00 PM.
>
After it seemed to subside, the next sensation was like little
squeezing motions that seemed to be racing up my SPINE (hind-sight, it
was probably my aorta spasms), gaining speed as they continued racing
up and under my sternum (breast bone, where one presses rhythmically
when administering CPR).
>
This fascinating process continued on into my throat and branched out
into both jaws. AHA!! NOW I stopped puzzling about what was happening
-- we all have read and/or heard about pain in the jaws being one of
the signals of an MI happening, haven't we? I said aloud to myself and
the cat, 'Dear God, I think I'm having a heart attack'!
>
I lowered the foot rest dumping the cat from my lap, started to take a
step and fell on the floor instead. I thought to myself, If this is a
heart attack, I shouldn't be walking into the next room where the phone is or anywhere else ... But, on the other hand, if I don't, nobody will
know that I need help, and if I wait any longer I may not be able to
get up in a moment.
>
I pulled myself up with the arms of the chair, walked slowly into the
next room and dialed the Paramedics .... I told her I thought I was
having a heart attack due to the pressure building under the sternum
and radiating into my jaws. I didn't feel hysterical or afraid, just
stating the facts. She said she was sending the Paramedics over
immediately, asked if the front door was near to me, and if so, to
unbolt the door and then lie down on the floor where they could see me
when they came in.
>
*I unlocked the door and then laid down on the floor as instructed and
lost consciousness, as I don't remember the medics coming in, their
examination, lifting me onto a gurney or getting me into their
ambulance, or hearing the call they made to St. Jude ER on the way, but I did briefly awaken when we arrived and saw that the radiologist was
already there in his surgical blues and cap, helping the medics pull my stretcher out of the ambulance. He was bending over me asking
questions (probably something like 'Have you taken any medications?')
but I couldn't make my mind interpret what he was saying, or form an
answer, and nodded off again, not waking up until the Cardiologist and his partner had already threaded the teeny angiogram balloon up my femoral artery
into the aorta and into my heart where they installed two side by side
stints to hold open my right coronary artery.
>
>
I know it sounds like all my thinking and actions at home must have taken at least 20-30 minutes before calling the paramedics, but actually it took
perhaps 4-5 minutes before the call, and both the fire station and the hospital are only minutes away from my home, and my Cardiologist was all
ready to go to the OR in his scrubs and get going on restarting my
heart (which had stopped somewhere between my arrival and the
procedure) and installing the stints.
>
>
1. Be aware that something very different is happening in your body not the usual men's symptoms but inexplicable things happening (until my
sternum and jaws got into the act). It is said that many more women
than men die of their first (and last) MI because they didn't know they
were having one and commonly mistake it as indigestion, take some
Maalox or other anti-heartburn preparation and go to bed, hoping
they'll feel better in the morning when they wake up ... which doesn't
happen. My female friends, your symptoms might not be exactly like
mine, so I advise you to call the Paramedics if ANYTHING is
unpleasantly happening that you've not felt before. It is better to
have a 'false alarm' visitation than to risk your life guessing what it
might be!
>
2. Note that I said 'Call the Paramedics.' And if
you can, take an aspirin. Ladies, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE! Do NOT try
to drive yourself to the ER - you are a hazard to others on the road.
Do NOT have your panicked husband who will be speeding and looking
anxiously at what's happening with you instead of the road. Do NOT
call your doctor -- he doesn't know where you live and if it's at  night you won't reach him anyway, and if it's daytime, his assistants (or
answering service) will tell you to call the Paramedics. He doesn't
carry the equipment in his car that you need to be saved! The
Paramedics do, principally OXYGEN that you need ASAP. Your Dr. will be
notified later.
>
3. Don't assume it couldn't be a heart attack because you have a normal
cholesterol count. Research has discovered that a cholesterol elevated
reading is rarely the cause of an MI (unless it's unbelievably high
and/or accompanied by high blood pressure).
MIs are usually caused by long-term stress and inflammation in the
body, which dumps all sorts of deadly hormones into your system to
sludge things up in there. Pain in the jaw can wake you from a sound
sleep. Let's be careful and be aware. The more we know the better
chance we could survive.
>
Why have I written all of this to you with so much detail? Because I want all
of you who are so important in my life to know what I learned first hand."
>
A cardiologist says if everyone who gets this mail sends it to 10 people,
you can be sure that we'll save at least one life.
>
Please be a true friend and send this article to all your friends (male and female) you care about!


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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My 59 year old sister had a heart attack this December.  She had the sweats and felt pain in the back of her arms.  No pain in her chest.  She also had a strong urge to move her bowels.  That is also something that can confuse a person, thinking that they have stomach upset.

She had no prior symptoms leading up to the heart attack, except that she was extremely tired, but she was working two jobs and getting ready for the holidays.

Thanks for sharing the info above, Goldie.  Women need to understand that symptoms can be different for them.


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Thanks for that Goldie. I never knew that women's symptoms were different and I've only just done a first aid course! Why don't doctors tell you these things ??


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Lizzie,
Did you see the links above for the Go Red Campaign?  Docs are trying to get the word out.  In fact, the Go Red Campaign sponsored a short infommercial during last year's Superbowl.  They have been hitting the morning talk shows and the evening news as well.  We women need to inform other women, so keep it going.


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