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Goldie
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Vinegar Improves Insulin Sensitivity to a High-Carbohydrate Meal in Subjects With Insulin Resistance or Type 2 Diabetes
Carol S. Johnston, PHD, Cindy M. Kim, MS and Amanda J. Buller, MS
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From http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/1/281.long

In GENO Gatherer PLUM vinegar is beneficial.. in BTD for Diabetes it is not..

1)      I read the above as interesting but have no clue if Plum VINEGAR would have the same effect???  as apple cider which is a avoid for O nonnie..

2)      would anyone think from the writing above that it could counter a bad/sugar meal??? ..

  
  the connection to Metformin is interesting..



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it is neutral for O secretors. The cider vinegar is not acidic as the others, but is alkaline, for whatever that's worth.
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Umeboshi or plum vinegar is not a true vinegar. O's should not consume vinegar.
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Very interesting!  It certainly seems to argue for some vinegar for some Gatherers, who are, at least based on GTD and Swami, prone to blood sugar/insulin sensitivity/diabetes issues anyway.  This Gatherer would sure celebrate if vinegars were back on the list!  My salads are just screaming for some.  Would love to know more about why vinegars were off the list for me as both an O Hunter and Gatherer.  I can't wait to buy the textbook.
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Umeboshi or plum vinegar is not a true vinegar. O's should not consume vinegar.


Ok I understand the possible difference to Plum vinegar.. but it would be interesting if it could work??

then also I understand about no vinegar for o's.. nonnies included.. but you know that there is a prohibition for some to eat grapefruit with certain drugs... what they do not tell the people is: that there is nothing wrong with Grapefruit, but it potentiates the meds ..

so while it may not be a good idea for constant eating of vinegar, yet, I wonder if a diabetic could ingest plum vinegar after a heavy carb meal ??  


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http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/Blog/Amy-Campbell/can_cinnamon_help_you_control_your_diabetes/

Can Cinnamon Help You Control Your Diabetes?



is this worth another look ?? here is another viewpoint on cinnamon that is similar in effect on diabetes and or Lipids..?

could it help with both trygicerides and BP..   would it do damage if one had reg BP???  



10 Health Benefits of Cinnamon
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It has an anti-clotting effect on the blood.  MIGHT BE WHY NOT FOR O's

http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/10-health-benefits-of-cinnamon.html


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I should also advise that we had these dicussion not to long ago in other threads.. my mistake in exuberance   ..


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My mind is racing trying to come up with possibilities for a dish that combines cinnamon and vinegar...  Maybe the plum vinegar will complement the cinnamon in a compliant way for non-nonnies?
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I've never had plum vinegar, but if there is real plum (and not just flavoring) I don't see it lowering diabetes, the same as apple cider vinegar would, as one would be getting carbohydrates, as they are using it.

I have been using cinnamon, for years, for lowering blood sugar, I take three capsules a day that I make myself from the vegi=caps.  When I run out, and it's awhile before I make them again, my glucose does fluctuate, so yes I would say that one works.  Never thought about it helping chloresterol, but my chloresterol has improved a lot.  55 HDL,112 LDL.  My doctor is happy. My HA1C went from 8.5-7.5 in the last year, also


I'm surprised they added sacharin to the vinegar & water, that has been unpopular to take for so many years.  I can take it just plain without sweetener, been doing it most of my life before meals.  Why because mom said to do it, when I was young.  I did stop when I started BTD, but now enjoy lemon water, instead.

I recently 9/12 started Byetta, and still adjusting to it, but seeing results, both in glucose numbers, and in weight lost.
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The plum "vinegar," as I understand it, is not a true vinegar.  It's essentially a brine (from liquid sitting in a barrel of the plums) that ferments naturally, without a "mother" to "start" it.  I think they call it a vinegar because of its acidic flavor, which makes it similar in ways to other vinegars.  I don't believe that there's any significant plum pulp content in the mix.  Others probably know more.
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Geminisue :   apple cider vinegar would, as one would be getting carbohydrates, as they are using it.

the carbs in plums might have on advanage (since they are less then apples), and seemingly beneficial for diabetes in O's..  

as for the process of making it 'ferment' I have no clue.. might taste good..

Your numbers above are impressive to be done with a spice.. !


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Would love to know more about why vinegars were off the list


your over acidic digestive system and gut don t need them


turns your perfectly rounded cells into spiky looking star shaped forms.....



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trying to come up with possibilities for a dish


http://www.genotypediet.com/GTD_recipes.shtml


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http://www.genotypediet.com/GTD_recipes.shtml

Lola Thanks.. this will take me a week to digest..

STAR shape.. I like that ... so I can be a STAR???? !!!  you are fab..


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just looked up Byetta..  :: FDA Plans Sterner Warning for Diabetes Drug Byetta After 2 Deaths

please be careful.. we need you for a long while here..


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your over acidic digestive system and gut don t need them



Bad gut, bad gut!  There it goes again; my gut seems to be most fond of the things it shouldn't have...   On the positive side, my "overly acidic digestive system" handles meat very efficiently.
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Umeboshi plum vinegar just tastes salty to me as it is just the brine.  I don't find it even remotely similar to "real" vinegar in taste.

Considering that 1 tsp of Ume has OVER 1000 mg. of sodium, I can't imagine that consuming it with regularity would be beneficial...especially if there were hypertension issues also.

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Umeboshi plum vinegar just tastes salty to me as it is just the brine.  I don't find it even remotely similar to "real" vinegar in taste.


I agree.  I bought a bottle (Eden brand) recently to try to use in salad dressings and greens.  Sadly, I don't care for the flavor at all.  I really wanted to like it too.   I used vinegars--all types--extensively until just recently; they're very tough ingredients to replace!
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I wonder further what other foods might actually change the way the body absorbs the ingredients and how it adjusts itself to them.

Like I say, if I don't eat grains can I eat ice-cream? or if I take no pasta can I have some dessert, if I don't have mayo can I have some vinegar? If I ate vinegar could I look forward to not needing meds?

I wonder if there are any who could figure out what makes some foods like plums/prunes super foods for diabetics?? could we design a salad dressing with prunes in a blender and some other ingredient that would make fresh veg salad tasty??

or is there a sup that is having similar effects on sugar loads as does Metformin?

are there other foods that would 'swallow' or influence the sugar conversion of foods?? like cinnamon=  does it matter what kind for the use in diabetes control??  does cooking make it less effective, or enhances it's usefulness? in Europe they sleep on it, might that help? or insert it in shoes? what am I supposed to feel when I eat it.. its a benef for my GENO type, but not for BTD.. why is one answer I would like to know as it will tell me why it matters.. like will it thin my blood, irritate my intestines, or help me to eliminate food faster, before it gets a chance to enter the blood systems??

what is N~1.. It is fall soon.. can't wait.. to see what other individualism is available for the kind of things I am interested in..


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there s a whole different effect from dextrose laden salt intake and pure sea salt
I use in all my fermentation......

the later not producing any type of water retention to my system.....

I prefer making my own faux umeboshi ferment, or any sauce in my cooking.


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Interesting.. Lola .. now to test your cooking.. to prevent diabetic sugar spikes.. that would be fun.   I need to search recipies by Lola..  


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I would like to know as it will tell me why it matters.. like will it thin my blood, irritate my intestines, or help me to eliminate food faster, before it gets a chance to enter the blood systems??


get a swami

I don t follow any recipe, and thus have never submitted one....
I could care less for amounts or measures, I simply put together meals using my beneficials, and am always very pleased with the results.....
maybe it s psychological, and I simply enjoy all the right foods for me and the way they make me feel.


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I agree but You spoke of fermenting.. I have no idea what that is .. even.. well it could be a pickling, or a salting but there was a thread some time ago and so I know I can find it under fermenting and Lola..  


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