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I didn't think of the source of dextrose but the difference is that dextrose supplies with glucose directly, the sugar liver converts other things into. Fructose is different and dangerous. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/sugar-may-be-bad-but-this_b_463655.html"Fructose is a major contributor to: • Insulin resistance and obesity • Elevated blood pressure • Elevated triglycerides and elevated LDL • Depletion of vitamins and minerals • Cardiovascular disease, liver disease, cancer, arthritis and even gout" And stevia has no calories, no sugar but a sweetining taste. Dr Mercola often writes about sweeteners and insulin resistancy, you can refer to him about those. |
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About honey, raw honey has good effects on mycotoxins, this can be a reason to use it, but only raw, I think. For me, O nonseretor, it also is an avoid. But that could be the reason when I use it for myself.
Honey sold in markets aren't raw.
Mycotoxins are found in plants with fungal diseases. Aflatoxin is a more dangerous form of it. They are easier to find in vegetative foods that passed time in damp environments.
Fructose show neurotoxicity and cause aggressive behaviours, especially in high doses.
I think I'll follow Dr Mercola's writings about sweeteners still. |
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Onur, I suggest you read this and also try to focus on the physiological differences everytime you read anything  Tamam? 
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Fructose cannot cause any significant insulin spikes since fructose does not require insulin for its absorption and metabolism. Agave is a source of fructose (as are blueberries) but the main reason it is generally considered a 'neutral' as compared to other sweeteners is that it seems to produce almost no bacteria overgrowth (as opposed to hfcs, which does) and does not provoke major immune/ gut related reactions, which hfcs also does (probably because it is corn derived; I've seen this same thing with 'ascorbic acid' vitamin C versus rose hip and acerola derived vitamin C -- most commercial ascorbic acid is derived from corn syrup).
Beware of the 'fructose is bad' mantra. If you took that to it's logical extreme, you'd never eat a fruit. It's the hfcs we are being deluged with that is the problem.
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Beware of the 'fructose is bad' mantra. can be right, but I'd say fructose can cause insulin resistancy indirectly. |
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Yeah, I'm still with BTD
But I'm afraid abundance of carbohaydrates cause insulin resistancy little by little. Fructose also have other effects such as triglycerides. |
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supposedly raw honey will not cause sugar spikes because of the enzyme content.
i was re-reading some of elaine gotschall's selective carbohydrate diet last night and noticed that she recommends clear pasteurized honey over the natural honey with pollen as the pollens contain disacharides.
i used to avoid eating sweet fruits because i was brainwashed that the sugars were somehow harming me. i think it is pure bs now, not that people don't have severe sugar regulation problems but the causes are misunderstood.
there are people recovering from diabetes, cfs and yeast problems eating tons of sweet fruits, but eliminating other foods like grains, fats and meat. so clearly fruit is not the culprit. |
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so, what else is new wero?? glad you have no more yeast problems! |
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I suspect (tho' I could be wrong) that for those ppl effected adversely by fructose, low glycemic fruit wouldn't be as much as a problem   Certainly that is true for me...  Hence the slightly lower glycemic honey has been ok for me... No blood sugar level spiking & no skin reactions... Also I am losing weight, rather than simply plateauing as I would if I ate grains or other sugar/carbs;) I commented to my husband how it's amazing that eating honey actually helps me lose weight... & he looked from me to the half empty bucket of honey, raised an eyebrow & said "well I can see you should have lost heaps by now..." |
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Oh, Possum...that was funny! I laughed out loud!   I can identify.....local buckwheat honey is my only sweet (besides compliant fruit) and I have lost weight without trying! |
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Cheers Btw he has eaten a good proportion of that bucket I might add... |
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I found this old thread about Manuka honey and want to investigate a bit about whether I as an O nonnie can have it. Hearing the positive effects that Possum had from eating it regularly, I am tempted to try, as a friend of mine has just given me a jar with UMF 20+, supposed to be very good in medicinal effects.
On my SWAMI it is a black dot. I remember last week when I had a bit of sore throat near bed time, I ate a spoonful of that and the next day I felt totally fine again. I also remember eating, some years ago, bonbons made purely with Manuka honey, and they had always helped me avoid getting a cold or flu. Does that mean it is OK for me? |
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If it's a black dot you should tolerate it somewhat sparingly. It seems to have had magical results for you! Maybe save it for when you are not feeling well.
I am on a honey kick as of late. I recently cracked open local raw honey from my farmer's market. Yummy! With the blasts of snow storms we have been getting lately, a spoon in my tea is warming, soothing, and gives my day a lift! |
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Quoted from 7596
Yeah, I'm still with BTD
But I'm afraid abundance of carbohaydrates cause insulin resistancy little by little. Fructose also have other effects such as triglycerides.
I find that it certainly causes cravings for more and more sweet things. So I try to limit agave nectar even though it's a superfood. |
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