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Possum
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Well, I hadn't bought honey since ages ago (it never having been a favourite) but Mr P asked me to get him some...

In my search, I found one made from borage flowers, which I thought might be good so took a risk & tasted it... Man is it good   I have never really liked honey that much, except the occasional type (Bush honey from Tasmania) as others were always too strong a flavour & too sweet & some even gave me a headache

But in my experimenting last few days, I have added a tsp or two each day (ok I admit..quite a few on the first night - it was just so yummy) & have actually lost weight, when I usually struggle/have to work hard to (approx 2 lbs)

I cannot believe it...having previously had such unstable blood sugar that even the smallest amount of grain will make me gain & I avoid anything sweet like the plague... for fear that it will make me break out and/or gain (or at worst not lose)

I found this article on "Issues With Honey"  

"The first is the high fructose content in honey. Fructose has to be converted into glycogen and then into glucose by the liver before it can be used by the body as an energy source. It has a low GI and allows the pancreas to maintain a better constant blood-sugar level. Using honey can inhibit the harmful and genotoxic effects of mycotoxins, and improve the gut microflora. Research has shown that fructose such as High Fructose Corn Syrup can cause liver damage and obesity when eaten in large quantities.
The fructose contained in honey is a natural fructose and honey contains around 40%. The fructose is taken into the liver because the liver is the only organ in the human body with the fructose enzyme to take in this sugar. Fructose is a liver exclusive sugar. Fructose regulates the uptake and storage of glucose and therefore is a blood glucose regulator. Therefore we can use natural fructose to regulate blood glucose levels, to stabilise blood glucose and to maintain a regular supply of glucose to the brain - the biggest problem that we as humans have to deal with – keeping blood glucose stable and the brain fuelled for 24 hour."

Wonder if it explains things...

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WOW so what honey did you try??

borage leaves,?????? brand name where to buy and how much??

will you and he only eat it off the spoon or fork or on toast with butter?

I never tried honey in any form but liked the white kind we had in the mountains where the honey came from pine trees and mountain flowers..

by chance is there a link to what you read?? does hubbie have sugar/diabetes issues??  

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WOW Possum...interesting about your weight loss and blood sugar being helped with honey.

I use manuka honey.  Supposed to have strong medicinal qualities.


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WOW so what honey did you try??

borage leaves,?????? brand name where to buy and how much??

will you and he only eat it off the spoon or fork or on toast with butter?

I never tried honey in any form but liked the white kind we had in the mountains where the honey came from pine trees and mountain flowers..

by chance is there a link to what you read?? does hubbie have sugar/diabetes issues??  

THANKS
No Mr P doesn't - I think I might tho'...Mother has full on type 2 resulting in strokes etc as she indulged & never looked after herself enough, which is why I have avoided sweet things...

At the moment we are eating it off the spoon, medicinally - Mr P for his teeth I'm sure you would love it

This honey is made in the Marlborough High country from "alpine herbs & blue borage flowers" in Blenheim - South Island
As for a link...don't even know if they have website or export..but will post one if I find one (searching right now)
I paid approx NZ$7 (on sale) for a whole kg (2.2lbs) so am going back for more tomorrow!!

The info I quoted, came from a great site called Cooking for Celiacs, Colitis, Crohn's and IBS Forum Index which I stumbled on last night...
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Yes Chloe manuka honey is supposed to be fantastic...especially the higher the UMF factor... My prediposition to dark, strong flavoured honey (& the high price ) had put me off investing too much...
Would you believe, (to quote one online newspaper here last year) "the intense flavour of dark manuka honey was once so disliked it was added to cattle feed or flushed away.

Today it earns such a premium on the export market that fake manuka honey has become a serious problem industry sources say twice as much manuka honey is sold than is produced in New Zealand every year."  ( business | Stuff.co.nz )
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twice as much manuka honey is sold than is produced in New Zealand every year."  ( business | Stuff.co.nz )

sounds similar to all healthy goody alternatives, like agave for example.....
so always be on the lookout for trustworthy sorces


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My Swami knows I need to lose weight, yet my honey is a super bene!!!!  Swami really knows!!!!!!

Posum, you would love my dark, bush, herbs, wild, unudulturated honey from my honey bee hives ....  waiting for you next trip over.  

Tomorrow they are finishing that second shed ...    




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Cool!! You betcha!! I'm there... Are you saying we coiuld hole up in that shed

Did I tell you that Mr P nearly applied for a job in Brisbane? Decided at last minute not to go for it (we want/need to be closer to family in ACT &/or TAS) but there are now probable high options on two others in Aus; would you believe - one in Canberra & other one in Hobart
Who'd have thunk after all these years...& he hasn't even been "looking" Interesting thing is we have in last year, got really close to both my youngest brother & his wife & kids in Canberra...
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Oh & explorers have honey as a super food!!
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Oh & explorers have honey as a super food!!



Explorers are "beneficial" and "O" non-secretors are "avoids" for honey.     At least my Swami is a "limit or avoid".  


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Canberra will be nice, Jenny is up there and it is not that far from Qld, maybe a day's drive or minutes in plane ...    Good luck with the job hunting relocation, wishing you the best for your lives, whether in NZ or Aussie land or anywhere else in the world... Isn't your daughter in America?  My son is still in Vegas commuting to the California coast for his surf on weekends ...    Maybe we meet there too some day ...  




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Must be an earlier book... Was listed as a "Superfood" - This Genotype Book only had listings of Diamonds; Superfoods; Black Dots & Avoids
& Borage is an Explorer Superfood in that book too...
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Thanks Cristina Yes Jenna (daughter) is in LA - baby due in early Dec Do you plan to go over there anytime in the near future? We are heading over in September for 2-3 weeks
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(I think) Borage is not even listed in the diabetis book.. so does that tell me anything?? yet under honey -its a near avoid.. like once a year.. so, please just put some on a 'post' and I lick it off.. s   


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My three diamond sugars are:
honey, vegetable glycerine and barley malt...but isn't barley malt a gluten product?

Agave and molasses are neutrals. (on my SWAMI)

Now that I realize honey is so good for me, I'm going to start using it more often.

I think the function of beneficial sugars in the diet is to allow cells to communicate better with one another...











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We are programmed to love sweets - you just have to know which are best for you.

Not an issue around here!


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No, Possum, we have not plans to go to America in the near future, but my son will be here around October ...   Congrats to your daughter on the news!!! and grandma too!!  




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Cristina,
Your son must travel within 15 miles of my house when he commutes from Vegas to the Pacific... via Interstate 15...if he goes to Southern Cal beaches?! I live just a 2 1/2 hour drive southwest of Vegas!

Your honey sounds sooo yummy! I love it in my morning tea, or together with fresh lime on grilled fish or fresh pineapple, too!


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isn't barley malt a gluten product?


if you are gluten intolerant or have celiac disease, you might need to check on gluten content not only in barley and its derivatives but everything else possibly containing it in your list


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Good to hear that you're having success with honey Possum. I love baking with it it can be used instead of agave (still haven't got any of that) but you need to reduce the oven temperature by 10 degrees C to stop it burning though.  Also love it in homemade bread, when toasted it goes stiff like cellulose and is so yummy!  The yeast love it too.

Interesting quote thanks Poss.  All sugars aint sugars.  Honey is like medicine, is known to be anti-bacterial and help your gut heal.

Reminds me of a song.

"Ah, sugar, ah, honey, honey
You are my candy girl,
And you got me wanting you."

Honey, I mean, yum


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If you can get "Local" honey I was told by and old timer that it will help reduce allergies, if a person has itchy eyes, sneezing and all that goes along with them.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/allergies/local-honey-for-allergies.htm
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What I really love about honey is the comb. It's a perfect mineral source and contains silica and similar minerals also. But dextrose or stevia is safer than honey itself I think.
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What I really love about honey is the comb. It's a perfect mineral source and contains silica and similar minerals also. But dextrose or stevia is safer than honey itself I think.

In the US, dextrose is quite often corn based.


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But dextrose or stevia is safer than honey itself I think.



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What I really love about honey is the comb. It's a perfect mineral source and contains silica and similar minerals also. But dextrose or stevia is safer than honey itself I think.
Safer in what way?? Personally I doubt it

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